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The Downward Spiral of America

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BandieBoy
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It is absolutely disgusting observing everything that is happening to this once great country.  Obama and his socialist cronies devising a trillion dollar budget that we can only hope to recover from in several decades time.

Iowa approving gay marriage by the COURTS, and not by the peoples vote.  Just goes to show that the PEOPLE know that homosexuality is not a legitimate institution that will be recognized by this country.  Sickening.

Several proposals across states for the legalization of marijuana.  I know people on here are into smoking, and some of my friends are, and I completely disagree with it but i can't change your mind.  However, this shouldn't be imposed upon the people as a will.  It is a choice, and if you want to smoke, then congrats, but do it on your own time, don't force it on everyone around here.

/Rant
Apr 27 2009 2:35AM
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k-rob
Posts: 14217 - Karma: 2,891
word. i agree, america is a warm puddle of diarrhea. full of homos, run by a socialist, and millions of americans smoking plants instead of tar.



so glad i don't live there.
Apr 27 2009 2:39AM
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dmc12380
Posts: 3545 - Karma: 792
just chill, every things going to be fine, take a xanax.
Apr 27 2009 2:41AM
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lineskier10
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legalization isnt forcing it on anyone, it's just making a plant legal to possess, that is now illegal, noone is being forced to do anything
Apr 27 2009 2:41AM
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casual
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just...wow.
Apr 27 2009 2:42AM
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Mr.Panda
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.....  i dislike obama a lot...  but wow.......
Apr 27 2009 2:44AM
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Z_rob
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word to this.

but how is legalizing it forcing anyone to smoke it?
Apr 27 2009 2:49AM
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RudyGarmisch
Posts: 25443 - Karma: 13,844
Because in his little screwed up mind, it all makes sense.

If you want a serious discussion, make a serious argument, please.
Apr 27 2009 3:00AM
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yellav
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loltroll
Apr 27 2009 3:07AM
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tomalom
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i opened this thread hoping to read something that would warm my american hating heart but seriously your just an idiot
Apr 27 2009 3:26AM
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Arabian.
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Being gay has no bearing on your life whatsoever. I doubt you even know any. Even  if you did burn in Hell asshole America is finally doing well after an eight year reign of war and intolerance.
Apr 27 2009 3:49AM
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punkrock32
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Thats probably some of the dumbest shit i've read on here in a while, congrats!
Apr 27 2009 4:14AM
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ATLskier
Posts: 8203 - Karma: 406
Seriously...Im right wing and all but you are making us look bad. Post a better thread, cause youre arguments are poorly stated and not backed up well. The weed thing especially kills any hope for this thread to not become a massive failure. Your logic doesn't work and everyone on NS smokes so you lost almost all your audience.


Obama is a socialist and yes this stuff sucks. 2. huge thread on this...and no i dont agree with it 3 seriously? weed should be legalized. there is NO reason not to have it legalized.
Apr 27 2009 4:21AM
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RudyGarmisch
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The cry of "SOCIALIST!!" seems so weak when you consider how the US compares to other modern countries though. Universal healthcare is a near standard in those places.

And seriously, if we're going to be anti-socialist, fuck public schools, public libraries, public hospitals and public restrooms.

This might be reserved for a better thread however...
Apr 27 2009 4:25AM
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Mr.Panda
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i wouldnt say everyone but your point is still valid....

idiots like this make Right Wing people who ARENT crazy look bad....   argh.
Apr 27 2009 4:25AM
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ATLskier
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yup, different thread. i honestly dont care how we compare to other countries. we are america and we dont need to be like europe... and obviously, when someone is talking about hating socialism, a little socialism with roads, libraries and schools is good. However, our public school system is shit and although it would be stupid to take it out, its something to think about whether or not it would work if it was private...just something to think about...(i have some decent info on some of the first public schools in the US. Ill have to dig up my notes. Kids were talk protestant beliefs and catholics got really upset. They were also taught Patriotism and I cant remember the rest).
Apr 27 2009 4:40AM
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CFD
Posts: 1009 - Karma: 197
QFT.

While I agree that America may be in a downward spiral, what you said is complete bullshit.
Apr 27 2009 7:29AM
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gmack24
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Absolute idiot.
Apr 27 2009 8:38AM
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baethoven
Posts: 4953 - Karma: 337
smoke some weed, maybe it'll make you happier..
Apr 27 2009 10:01AM
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dbstar
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people like you are the root of the problem
Apr 27 2009 10:07AM
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OhMyBosh
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obvious troll is kinda obvious
Apr 27 2009 10:11AM
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Beans13
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Sounds like you should watch an excellent documentary called "The Business behind Getting High" if that is what you think legalization is about.  And try reading/watching some real news someday, not just what is on Fox "News".  You seem like a very angry person whi is very mis-informed about politics today. Poeple like you are most of the problem in our country today.  Find out some facts before you make a claim about something.
Apr 27 2009 10:45AM
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49566738265
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America spirals further down every time you express your opinion.

The biggest problem with America is that stupid people feel the need to talk about stuff, though they are only slightly more intelligent than the average 4th grader.
Apr 27 2009 11:03AM
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k.perkins
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word
Apr 27 2009 11:07AM
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Ben.
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Apr 27 2009 11:50AM
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skiminnesota
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whats going so great? running the country into debt?

o as for your little war poke. so far it seems Obama has actually increased troop counts in Afghanistan. 
Apr 27 2009 12:03PM
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Ben.
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dont feed the troll justin.
Apr 27 2009 12:05PM
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pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
Bandi Boi saving america one horn blow at a time


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Apr 27 2009 12:13PM
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Silverton
Posts: 218 - Karma: 10
- K I'm taking that shit back from you because my 2 year old nephew could put together a more well rounded argument than your dumb ass did. Wow, and to think the American School systems are getting better.
You single handily just dragged your reputation, and dignity through the mud. Good job, I congratulate you.
Apr 27 2009 12:28PM
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freestyler540
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so because the government is center left, weed legaliation movement is growing and gay marriage is now socially acceptable, the US is going down the crapper? just...just the fuck up. So I take it you want a theocratic rule? like the taliban controls the middle east?


Apr 27 2009 12:44PM
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skeedle
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my thoughts exactly.
i mean, the term socialist does not apply to Obama. he has socialist ideas, but he is by no means a socialist. Canada isn't even socialist. An example of socialism working would be Sweden, or any of the Scandi countires.


Apr 27 2009 12:50PM
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OhMyBosh
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and those countries have the highest quality of life in the world.
Apr 27 2009 12:53PM
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skiminnesota
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alright, so we should take your economic wisdom as to when the recession is going to end? i hope to god its over in 2 years, but ide be the first to admit who knows when its going to end.

he is NOT sucking a dick, if he were he would have posted something someone else typed. but he didnt.

overall your post wasnt to bad, but then you ended it with...."you probably a faggot and everyone makes fun of you in real life, so you want recognition on a website"

i think your maturity and intellect are really shining through with that. you might even be on the same level as the thread creator, who for the record, isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer. 
Apr 27 2009 1:01PM
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skiminnesota
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no i think you approach opposition with mindless, immature babble.
Apr 27 2009 1:04PM
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gnarnia.
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obama is in no way a socialist, this thread is stupid. i love how people blame him for us being in a recession, give the guy some time for christ sakes. he walked right into it, its not his fault. i think any president needs at least a year or two to be judged on how he is performing, because he cant control the nation when he walks into office. and im sorry youre homophobic, get the fuck over it, times are changing.
Apr 27 2009 1:07PM
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ATLskier
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STOP DEBATING WHETHER OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST. THIS THREAD DOES NOT DESERVE THIS DEBATE.
Apr 27 2009 2:08PM
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Delphi
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are you kidding me, have you seen what the hell is happening to Sweden right now? People leaving in droves, zero jobs, economy in ashes. The country is on the verge of collapse. great example, their social welfare program is in shambles.
Apr 27 2009 2:08PM
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k-rob
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Sounds familiar.
Apr 27 2009 2:10PM
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Ben.
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i rarely agree with you but, yes.
Apr 27 2009 2:25PM
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Delphi
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They are also having a terrible time with immigrants and asylum seekers. To provide for these people, Sweden has some of the highest taxes in the world. The country emerged relatively untouched from WWII and it's economy thrived. Those days are long gone, everything relies on government support, so differing opinions are silenced. Speaking out against the influx of dangerous muslim extremists is not allowed because the media is funded, and therefore controlled, by the people making immigration policy (aka the government) and forcing the citizens to provide the funding for social welfare for the thousands of new immigrants that flood into the country every year. They also have a horrendous time with crime. Schools and other buildings are burnt down, and theft, violence, and rape are on the rise. Interpol reports that Sweden has the highest violent crime rate in europe.There is no option for talented young Swedes, so they leave the country en mass to look for employment in other countries. some country.
Apr 27 2009 3:53PM
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pmills
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Sweden also has some of the happiest people in the world. There are enough figures to paint whatever picture you want.


from http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=7438955&page=1

"There is no way America is going to go for a paralyzed, uninnovative economy with stagnating productivity and low employment," said Phelps, a staunch defender of the U.S. free-market model.

Fellow Nobel laureate in economics Joseph Stieglitz argued in reply that the Nordic countries performed much better than the United States in all social indicators, even in social economic mobility"



from http://www.stockholmnews.com/more.aspx?NID=3126

"According to a study involving eleven European countries, more rapes (as percentage of the population) are reported to the police in Sweden than in any of the other countries in the study."

however

 "Experts believe that the high number of reported rapes are not necessarily only because more rapes are actually committed in Sweden. Lotti Helström, chief doctor on an emergency clinic for rape victims in Stockholm says to the public service radio that it might be that more women in Sweden report when they have been raped. Sweden also has a stricter definition of rape than many other countries."



Apr 27 2009 4:36PM
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pmills
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But the topic of sweden is a digression from the main point; what do you want of America?

In regards to socialized medicine;
It must be realized we've had a model of socialized medicine in this country since the 1960's when medicare/medicaid programs were started by LBJ. The argument for providing insurance for all American's is actually a means to reduce overall medical spending.

 Currently if you don't have insurance there are two relevant points to consider;

 i. you're less likely to seek preventative care (meaning you wait for your problems to compound, resulting in a need for more expensive treatments)
 ii. when you do need to see a doctor, the government pays for you anyways

Therefore putting everyone under some form of insurance means more preventative (cheaper) care without putting any more burden on the system.
Apr 27 2009 4:46PM
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Thenowhereman42
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The really funny part about this thread is that I've neg karma'd like maybe 5 people, and this guy already had 0/10 when I tried to neg karma him.
Apr 27 2009 4:55PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Please guys, please?
Apr 27 2009 5:09PM
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FUUUCK
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hi troll
Apr 27 2009 5:30PM
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PhaedeD
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drew i know you love me but please explain how the healthcare system is going to work.

the government and this board they are going to setup is pretty much going to get to play god, choose who lives and who dies.

example - 70 year old man needs trip bi-pass surgery or he is going to die. take it to the board they vote (this will take a while he might be dead by then) they vote no because he is to old, he dies. how is that fair? they will vote no, christ the united states model for this is canada and there are people in canada protesting against the united states changing to this because they will have no place to come and get treated... it doesnt work in canada.
Apr 27 2009 5:46PM
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Ben.
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stop. not in this thread.
Apr 27 2009 5:48PM
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pmills
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versus what--the current standard, where the size of peoples wallets decides whether they live or die?


Apr 27 2009 5:50PM
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Rez4frederick
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ROFL
I can picture him now, walking around tooting his horn (no pun intended) about how bad weed is......hahahahahah
Seriously dude, open up your eyes, you are only seeing what you want to see....
Apr 27 2009 5:55PM
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k-rob
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i know everyone is saying "not in this thread" and such, but whatever, it hasn't been deleted so it must be worth keeping.

you're right, it doesn't work here. i had to wait 6 hours to get checked for a blood clot, and if they had made me wait 2 hours longer it would have reached my heart and fucking killed me. meanwhile, the little kid with the broken arm is getting his treatment quicker than me because he won't stop crying. it's bullshit, and the cost you're paying for private healthcare might at least be worth it, over being told your life is less important than somebody's broken arm.

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