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Team America got the Shaft

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pretzel
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Team america's video was better than team canada's.
Better production quality, editing, cinematography, and .......skiing
Team canada had some sick doubles, but the overall level of riding in the team america vid was just higher. Every single team america trick was epic. Both dumont and wallisch showed style in the classic sense (as opposed to the modern sense which only seems conscerned with how hard you stick your double).

I know that judging is always subjective so this isnt a knock at the JOSS judges, I'm just giving my opinion.

Apr 17 2009 2:58PM
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hartig
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such a good idea, i hope jon sees this
Apr 17 2009 7:55PM
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Felix..TG
Posts: 425 - Karma: 273
double corks are easy I can throw doubles at the first run of the day if I want, like all of my friends
Apr 17 2009 8:56PM
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reBlocke
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I liked the both the editing and the skiing better in canada's.  Not sure who's filming I liked more.
Apr 17 2009 8:58PM
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tbayjibber
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I liked America's more than Canada's, which is a lot to admit since i'm Canadian lol
Apr 17 2009 9:13PM
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Leeyum
Posts: 1285 - Karma: 168
i loved the intro to Americas the transition from the church to the first trick was perfect, but what really threw me off about Americas edit was the song was butchered a bit, it was edited to repeat in a non-flowing manner, when using a memorable song like party and bullshit, you can't chop it up, if it was to extend the edit its understandable but still it sounded sloppy. Canada took an artistic approach and it worked with the judges . Americas blew me away but I think Canada's had better production value
Apr 17 2009 9:32PM
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summersover
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its a remix of party and bullshit and the remix didn't appear to be altered but i dunno
Apr 17 2009 9:42PM
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Omega2227
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If they really judged by seven best tricks, then they need to find a new way to judge
To me, how good or bad a video is depends on the wow factor
personally I'd watch someone do tricks with actual style rather than just throwing down a bunch of doubles. I also liked the intro to team america's better. It gave it a bit of humor as well as a good tribute to Riley
Apr 17 2009 10:24PM
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ECski
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Wallisch and Simons edit was so unreal it blew my mind. I think all around the shots and angles and everything blew Canada out of the water even though I like canadas a lot. The urban on the wood rail in americas edit was dope, the intro was hilarious when tom glided out in the afterbang position. And the jumps and the stuff over the tunnel was sick as well
Apr 17 2009 10:48PM
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Leeyum
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yeah i know its a remix but the lryics repeat a lot listen to the ratattat remix then listen to the edit its all fucked up in a few places
Apr 17 2009 10:51PM
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no_steeze
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i thought dumont skied well in the team america edit, he's better when influenced by timmy walmart
Apr 17 2009 11:02PM
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nathanielstyza
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i will have to re-watch team sweden's edit but between canada and america i enjoyed canada's more.
they were both incredibly epic but the overall impression i got from the canada vid was just so much more for me.
when it comes down to it i think the amount of doubles (and the fucking right dub cork!) and exceptional editing in canada's beats out america even though they did have very styled tricks, and great, creative urban, and the intro was hilarious.

Apr 17 2009 11:13PM
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bigpleezer
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the horse tow in was amazing. i liked swedens most
Apr 17 2009 11:32PM
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aoe
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I'm hardcore Canadian, and super proud of what Chug and TJ  and the team pulled off but.... I think I like America's better. The music in the Canada edit REALLY didn't do it for me.  And while Canada's shots were sick, I thought America had a great variety in their tricks/urban/angles/etc. Some of the other edits may have had a few doper shots, but I thought America's edit was most like something I would want to see in a movie - Uplifting, funny, and just gets you stoked to ski.

 So far my faves in Order - America, USA, Canada, Sweden, Down Under.
Apr 18 2009 12:02AM
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pDails
Posts: 1238 - Karma: 75
your a prick.

did his thread warrant you being a prick?
no.

faggot.
Apr 18 2009 2:37AM
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shortdawg
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canadas jumps were way more tech, but americas urbans were better.. and their video was way more enjoyable. I still think Canada deserved to place tho, grats to both they were both dope edits
Apr 18 2009 2:55AM
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Alp1ne
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The intro in America was terrible. All dumont did was was the same 900 tail grab over and over again in slow mo for the entire movie. if they took out the slow mo and made it a 4-5 min movie it would have been way better i just found it way to hard to watch something at half speed the whole time.
Apr 18 2009 2:55AM
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uncle_muscles
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I like how the pro-america>canada edit people always have low karma so I won't join in

honestly, I think wallisch/dumont was a bad match-up.  Seeing dumont try to keep up with wallisch on urban was just bad to watch.  Their styles didn't mesh together at all, where cosco and tj complemented eachother's styles
Apr 18 2009 2:56AM
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troublemaker3
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team america world police ?

Apr 18 2009 3:03AM
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Silence
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THats because the edit was longer than the song and they had to make it go for 6 minutes or whatever it was
Apr 18 2009 3:24AM
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benJAHmin
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WHAT!! I couldn't of thought of a better song, it really gets you pumped for skiing
Apr 18 2009 6:04AM
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casual
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I heart you.
Apr 18 2009 12:39PM
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family_vacation
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I just think that nothing could beat Simon's hand drag over the tunnel.
Apr 18 2009 12:42PM
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casual
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Really? I thought Simon's urban was on point. I think he k-feded and tail pressed (kinda) that skatch ass wooden downrail, and greased that steep dfd...never mind the dope ass fence jib and the jaw dropping handdrag cork 3 over the tunnel. I think you're on some serious haterade ish, bud. Yea, his jump tricks haven't changed in about 2 or 3 years, but the zero, sw 3, and 180 were illlll. Plus, the only dub front he tried was off the knuckle, and the superman was nowhere to be seen. I loved how Tom hated on it and then threw the rodeo 5 like, "This is how you do it, son!"

I'm not sure which I liked better....they were pretty different, but I definitely was impressed by SImon. Granted, my expectations weren't all that high, I still think he slayed.
Apr 18 2009 12:54PM
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prontocuts.com
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Hey guys I am pretzel and to show how serious my posts are I put them in bold to show how serious I am right now.
Apr 18 2009 2:19PM
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Oli_jgb
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My friend's a pro.
Apr 18 2009 2:43PM
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ONTerriible
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i think that he was just going for a sinfle front flip, and was suprised when he came out and still had all that distance to go
Apr 18 2009 2:52PM
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Mr_Papageorgio
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this is the edit i will watch nearly every time before i ski next year. its so unbelievably entertaining and never has there been an edit with such a competitive pump up feel
Apr 18 2009 3:57PM
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chugLIFE
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ya no offense dude, but where did you come up with that? haha...simon was trying a single, and realized he was overrotating so tucked it over to his back instead of landing directly on his head/neck...and he hurt his thumb. had he actually tried double, he would have stomped for sure. wallisch wasn't exactly hating on him when he did that rodeo 5 either, it was more like..."this would be fun to rodeo 5" haha... i just thought i'd straighten that out, dont mean to hate.

and you guys havent seen team europe or team norway, they slayedddddd so hard, the song in team europes is so dope.

thanks for the nice things you've said about team canada too!
Apr 18 2009 5:24PM
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paulbunyan
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OMG!! CHUG REPLYED IN YOUR THREAD!!!!
Apr 18 2009 5:34PM
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Oli_jgb
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Has anyone got a link so that I can watch it?
Apr 18 2009 6:21PM
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Luc.
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ahahahahahhahahaahhaah + karma
Apr 18 2009 6:23PM
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farmskier
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Google.com works wonders.  Took me about 3 seconds to find it.  I don't want to post a link though, just be resourceful and you will see.
Apr 18 2009 6:31PM
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farmskier
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Damn that liu kang Wallisch does is soo sick.  Definitely doing it justice like Mike Nick used to.  They should have done better just for having that grab in their vid.
Apr 18 2009 6:41PM
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Shlogan
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word up. why dint he try a double front off it then? thats about the sickest thing you could do a double front off of in my opinion. or a box if possible :0
Apr 18 2009 6:46PM
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FUUUCK
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Neither of them won, so why is this worht arguing?
Apr 18 2009 7:26PM
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Willard
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done deal that was probablly one of the sickest tricks in the entire edit simon has really made a comeback this year...only problem is the song has already been used that edit was still tight
Apr 18 2009 9:34PM
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casual
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Woooah bro, pump your brakes scrap. I wasn't hating at all, in fact, I was sucking his dick that entire post and I was pumped that he didn't throw a superman dub. Obviously, I didn't realize/know that he was going single and went dub to save death. As far as the Tom thing, I took it as friendly competition like, "I got this, peep gaaaaame". You were there, I wasn't so we'll go with your version cuz, haha.

I just wanted to clear up that I wasn't trying to be negative or critical, and I dug Simon's shit fer sure.
Apr 18 2009 10:33PM
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J.D.
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Yours and TJ's skiing in that edit was pretty much next level. Stuff has happened pretty quickly on big jumps this year it seems and it's almost enough to give people whiplash trying to keep up, but if they are at or past what you guys did as you say, I'll be pretty stunned, because there were 4-5 tricks in your edit that were up there with the best individual jumps I've ever seen onto a groomed landing. People like the guy who made this thread need to watch that a few more times without regard for whether the music was their kind of thing and appreciate.
Apr 18 2009 10:48PM
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pretzel
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o jd may, we can always count on you for a healthy dose of condescension.
It is possible for a person (other than you) to appreciate or fairly evaluate a video with out personal taste getting in the way.

Just to humor you I watched team Canada again, on mute. Schiller threw rodeo 9, sw 9, 180, sw 5, rodeo 5, and an awesome sw dub 9 (aka olsson flip). While all of it was sick, none of it was "next level."
Cosco killed it. His unnatural sw dub 10 was a thing of beauty. As was his dub 12 and nose 9.  But again, none of it was revolutionary.

At the end of the day, both teams filmed some amazing skiing. Therefore, I think that the higher quality of team america's editing and cinematography should have taken the cake. One more time, this is subjective judgment.
Apr 19 2009 12:57AM
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mac.N.steeze
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pro skiing is losing it hypy / steez and getting more about aerial tricks
Apr 19 2009 1:26AM
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J.D.
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It certainly is. I already mentioned I think it's stupid that these things were ranked and compared, so I don't intend to argue about which of two really entertaining edits was in fact better than the other. I do think that anyone failing to recognize that the execution of what TJ and Cosco put down is something not heretofore witnessed, rather than just listing the number of rotations done by each, are failing to give them their due. Hence, without any comment one way or the other as to which edit I preferred because they were both excellent, titling the thread "Team America got the shaft" was a pretty solid fail on your part, that's all.
Apr 19 2009 1:37AM
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jonaolsson
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Quoting J.D.$ from Apr 17 2009 6:05:49:
Honestly I hope Jon doesn't even rank them next year. Just pick an overall winner. It doesn't matter who got 3rd and who got 4th, they're fucking sick skiing edits that you get to watch and you can enjoy both of them without trying to decide which one had better tricks or which song was better or who was more creative.

Next year it should be peoples' choice, overall winner, photography winner, and best skier performance and that's it. None of this 1 thru 7 garbage, it just takes away from the awesomeness that is the stuff these guys all produced.
such a good idea, i hope jon sees this
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Point taken...

I have spent more hours then you can dream of to try to come up with the best possible formula to judge this, but no matter how I do it it is very very hard.

I think its important to have a few tech tricks play an important roll i the ski part of the judging as otherwise it gets to subjective.

But we might bring it down to 5 best tricks instead of 7 next year to give more room for cut-aways/ urbans/ 180 etc...

Just having a winner would work perfect if we only had a web format, but that would make the JOSS Awards pretty boring....


I am not sure how to make the best format, its hard...

But its great to read the feedback here, but now I have to get back to my 2nd run in the FIS race here in Norway...

later!

JON

Apr 19 2009 6:16AM
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nickyp
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i think he attempts one, but eats shit. His urban was better than i expected from a predominantly pipe/ big air skier, but he was still no match for T-Wall
Apr 19 2009 6:24AM
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Oli_jgb
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I think he means double corks, not double fronts.

All the same, he didn't attempt a double front, he went for a single and then realised he needed to thrown an extra one in to prevent death.
Apr 19 2009 10:46AM
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salomontim77
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toms flat shifty 5 was sex.
Apr 19 2009 11:17AM
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jeremyo13
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now that someone posted team americas edit in this thread, will mods delete just that post or this entire thread?
Apr 19 2009 11:59AM
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*GP*
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A comeback? Just out of curiousity, where did he go?
Apr 19 2009 12:17PM
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Willard
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Mama africa duuhhhh

Apr 19 2009 12:20PM
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Twinjibber77
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Team Europes video was better than Team Canadas in my opinion. Haven't seen Team Americas yet.
Apr 19 2009 12:22PM
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Willard
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its in this thread
Apr 19 2009 12:36PM
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