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2 Stroke VS 4 Stroke

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Goku
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This is the showdown, hard power bands vs long smooth power, R VS F, Bing VS Brap
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Apr 14 2009 11:06PM
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specialh
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two stroke=snappy, aesome power. Four stroke =short gears, torque, and wieght. I say 2-stroke by far!!! so much more fun.
Apr 14 2009 11:09PM
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Goku
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agreed
Apr 14 2009 11:09PM
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WhiteBurd
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i personally own a rm 125, love it, my first bike and dont have alot of expierience at all. i love the power band
Apr 14 2009 11:09PM
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specialh
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powerband is so awesome. So much snap. Totally agree!
Apr 14 2009 11:11PM
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Goku
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plus 4 strokes cost a shitload of $$ to maintain
Apr 14 2009 11:12PM
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specialh
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thank you very mu..agreed
Apr 14 2009 11:14PM
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WhiteBurd
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good point and all you need to rebuild a 2 stroke is a cresent wrench.
Apr 14 2009 11:14PM
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specialh
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and a new piston and rings. With a fourstroke, ur talkin in the thousands, cuz it probably scattered everything
Apr 14 2009 11:18PM
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Goku
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when i had my kx250f i spent at minimum $600 a year on valves and we did everything ourselves
2 strokes the most ull need is $100 for rings
Apr 14 2009 11:21PM
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WhiteBurd
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lol bad wording on my point the only tool
Apr 14 2009 11:22PM
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specialh
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srry man, but u get wat i was saying
Apr 14 2009 11:29PM
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gnarlygoodski22
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i have both 2 and 4 stroke bikes. i do most of my riding in fields and hitting jumps now, so I prefer the two stroke. When i was more into the woods i appreciated the 4, but im currently in the process of selliing it.

Apr 15 2009 8:42PM
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specialh
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right on
Apr 15 2009 10:30PM
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bermbuster49
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i switched from 2 to 4 for multiple reasons.

for me, the 2 stroke was very jumpy, not as predictable as the 4 stroke.  the 4 stroke was way smoother, and easier to stand up on since it was smoother.  The engine breaking helps you stop faster so you can accelerate harder into corners, also since its so smooth and has so much more traction than a 2 stroke, you can carry more momentum through corners and have more tractable power coming out.

you can see by watching the pro's, they might not sound like they are going fast as shit, but thats because they ride smooth, carry momentum, and dont make mistakes - all while going as fast as they can.  I think its a lot harder to ride smooth like that on a 2 stroke.


howeverrrrr, the 2 stroke is nice for the power in grass tracks and what not...but ever since i switched, i feel like its just so low-tech and it like gives me a headache lol.   what can i say, i used to be  a non-believer, but after riding my thumper, i cant say i want to even ride another 2-stroke!
Apr 16 2009 12:11AM
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WhiteBurd
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valid point, as stated before i mainly ride 2-strokes cause they are cheaper. i am broke and dont have the money to throw down on a 4 stroke. i plan on buying a four stroke but i will probably keep my two stroke cause they are so fun. all of my friends ride four strokes and i understand why and they are better for riding around here.
Apr 16 2009 12:33AM
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Goku
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i used to feel the same way, i used to think that four strokes were the only way to go and they made riding fast a lot easier, than i got my 300 exc and im starting to think that 2 strokes are the way to go
Apr 16 2009 9:55AM
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HeartBeatFaster
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I raced 80's and 125's for about 5 years. When the 4 strokes hit the market I said no way will I ever convert to the thumpers... and then I rode one. I always liked the 2 stroke's snappy power band but once you get used to the smooth power it is hard to go back. I loved coming out of tight corners right into a big double on the 2 stroke because you could seat bounce it in the power and get over the jump. It was also fun in the whoops if you blitzed them right and kept it up in the power the whole way through... but if you didn't, the front wheel would drop and usually a crash followed. The 2 stroke was fun for those reasons however, the 4 stroke has the balls to do the same thing and I learned to appreciate the smooth power in so many more areas of the track.


Apr 16 2009 10:24AM
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Goku
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alright this is no hating whatsoever towards anyone, but what i observed is that is is harder t ride a 2 stroke and be fast than it is to ride a four stroke. four strokes can make anyone fast but two strokes take a different type of feel to be faster on, but when people can ride 2 strokes right, they can be just as fast or faster than 4 strokes.
ps ive ridden both and i like both for different reasons so once again this is no hate
Apr 16 2009 2:52PM
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bermbuster49
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it all depends on the rider and his style really.  i see more noobs in races on two strokes afraid to hit the gas putting around than i see people on fourstrokes.

i think your right, 4-strokes probably are easier to ride and learn, and 2-strokes offer great power and advantages in many places, but it depends on the rider.

like i make my 4-stroke work by riding waaaay high in the powerband,  if you cant hear me from a mile away then i'm not riding it right in my eyes.  you gotta stay high to stay in the good power (all depends on the terrain).   but the 2-strokes are completely different, you need to hammer it on the exits of corners and  break really hard and just repeat.

idk its hard to explain i guess lol, but i agree with you
Apr 16 2009 11:28PM
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Goku
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right which is why i had so many problems on a 250f, it was all bark and no bite in the high rpm's and doing valves was a nightmare. 4 strokes arent for me is basically what im tryin to say, idk what it is about the power of a 2 stroke but i love it a lot more than 4
Apr 16 2009 11:32PM
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specialh
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2's take way more skill to ride FOR SURE. They make you a more aggressive rider, and if u get on a 4, and ride it like a 125. U WILL RIP!!!!! No joke.
Apr 17 2009 3:26PM
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Goku
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125's take tons of skill to ride fast
Apr 17 2009 3:40PM
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HeartBeatFaster
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like in my post earlier, going through whoops for instance, on my 125 I was fast because I had the choice to keep it in the power and blitz through wicked fast or to drop a wheel and lose all my speed and/or crash. Kind of a choice to be either on the edge and fast or take it easier and be safe. On a 4 I wasn't forced to blitz through whoops. I could double through, roll or blitz them all being fairly easy where on a 2 it took much more control. That's just my example for one area of riding as there are different aspects for different terrain. However, there are areas where I was faster on a 4, noticeably flat corners as I could engine brake in and roll back on without breaking much traction. On the 2 I would usually slide in and then slide back out in the power band.

I think the most important thing is once you get to a certain level, you're going to be fast on anything. An A rider will always be an A rider.
Apr 17 2009 5:31PM
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WhiteBurd
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4 strokes get really hot and burn
Apr 19 2009 10:02PM
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bermbuster49
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i think it depends on what you ride too.  i mean i see MX'ers all switching to 4-bangers and all which i understand,  but where i really think the 4-strokes shine is in offroad.  Going over roots, through mud, or anywhere traction is normally an issue, the 4-stroke just seems to grip where the 2 stroke doesnt-- or it takes more skill and time to navigate through it.
Apr 20 2009 12:17AM
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Goku
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the only time i miss my 250f is when i go into huge sand corners thats where that bike rips
Apr 20 2009 12:20AM
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bermbuster49
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haha i miss my 2-stroke basically never.  except one place....fast open grass tracks.  the tight ones the 4 stroke still can hold traction better than the 2 stroke, but god damn if it's a fast track with open corners,  the 2-stroke just riipppps.
Apr 20 2009 12:31AM
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DirtyMick
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Damn. Lots of pros and cons of both in here.

Making it a tough decision for me!!
May 5 2009 6:47PM
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specialh
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cmon.....2 stroke. U no u want it
May 9 2009 1:07AM
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