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RideBLUNT
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So i'm doin this project/debate in Spanish class about abortion and it got me curious, what are everyone's views on it?


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Jan 24 2004 10:06AM
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bigsky_gurl
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I believe that is a woman's choice. Alot of women are raped and get pregnant, or sometimes teens get pregnant and its their only option. Im not saying that I personally would do it, but I dont disrespect someone who does. Its not a form of birth control though, and I dont respect women who have multiple pregnancies.



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Jan 24 2004 10:26AM
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Jan 24 2004 10:33AM
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chris_01
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oops, my view is exactly the same. With one addition, late term abortions aren't a good thing. If someones waited that long to decide they should just go all the way and give birth.
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Jan 24 2004 10:35AM
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c_lo
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It's bad karma man, i think it would be something that would hang on you forever. In certain situations its neccesary though, no one wants to be a 17 year old with a kid
Jan 24 2004 11:17AM
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lanks
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i think its murder.
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Jan 24 2004 11:48AM
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Lateralis
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its their choice


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Jan 24 2004 12:39PM
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J.D.
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I;m pro choice too... people are so wrapped up inother peoples' business these days. I mean there should be regulations, you shouldn't be able to abort the kid cause you wanted a girl, but if you have a good reason, it's up to the woman.
Jan 24 2004 12:54PM
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J.D.
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^Yeah, empty out those orphanages. how about having fewer kids up for adoption, then? Without abortion the unwanted kids usually end up in a foster home. if they're lucky.
Jan 24 2004 12:59PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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if you make the choice to get pregnant, or to engage in behavior that results in pregnancy, then there it is... you made that choice... no abortion for you... unless the woman was raped, or if the pregnancy threatens her life, she should own up to her actions and have the kid...










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Jan 24 2004 1:21PM
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Ghost
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exactly. We all make mistakes in our lives, but every action still has a consequence.

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Jan 24 2004 1:35PM
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mutescratch
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i think it's their own choice but i also think it's respectless to life


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Jan 24 2004 1:42PM
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RideBLUNT
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Just some questions, i'm not taking sides...

What if the woman isn't ready for a baby?
What if the baby will be deformed?
What if the baby were to be diseased with HIV, no matter what?


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Jan 24 2004 1:46PM
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mark.p
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if the woman isnt ready for the baby, then she shouldnt be havin sex



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Jan 24 2004 2:47PM
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Nickskier
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what if a 15 year old is raped by a man with HIV, she shouldn't have a choice? i like how men try to say what women should do, like you have any idea what its like to bear a child. let them decide.
Jan 24 2004 7:10PM
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RideBLUNT
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laxman, i will presume that you have sex, and under that presumption i will go so far as to ask, Are you ready for a baby of your own? Would you really want to stop your life right now and be forced to settle down, or take care of your woman for 9 months while she carries it just to wait to put it up for adoption?


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Jan 24 2004 7:13PM
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lanks
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seriously dude, sex=babies. thats the way it is. sex is the action, babies are the consequence. by having sex, you therefore should be prepared to have a baby.
if you are too immature to live up to your actions and face the consequences, you have no business having sex.

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Jan 25 2004 12:37AM
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J.D.
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Nickskier touched on something: If men were the ones who got pregnant, abortions would be legal right now.

It's not my business to tell women what to do with their bodies...well, most of the time, anyways.
Jan 25 2004 12:40AM
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dilla_says_go
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my mom told me that i should have been aborted once.
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Jan 25 2004 12:40AM
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lanks
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im going to step out of this thread, because its been discussed many times before and im tired of it (use the search), but all im going to say is that its murder. the life of a fetus is being ended.
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'I heard that Richard Gere gerbils. That is, he inserts gerbils into a paper towel tube, which he then sticks up his butthole. I don't doubt this, because he asked me if i wanted to come over to his house and gerbil. I insisted that he come over to MY house, since the whole thing seemed weird. As a practical joke, i attached a bucket of water to the top of the door so that when he opened it, I beat him with a mannequin leg.'-Skydaddy
Jan 25 2004 12:44AM
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J.D.
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^Yeah, i'm so sure it's THAT black and white.
Jan 25 2004 12:46AM
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Chimichanga15
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I don't think the issue of whether men can tell women what to do with their bodies really applies. The real question is whether right to privacy is more important than murder (and yes, that's basically what it comes down to... there have been some people who try to claim that a fetus isn't alive, but by most definitions it is).

I believe that the right to life is more important than the right to privacy. Abortions should be allowed if the woman's life is endangered, and maybe rape... I haven't really made up my mind on that yet.
Jan 25 2004 12:49AM
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J.D.
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^Wow, that was a loaded argument. The second you use the word 'Murder' you're revealing bias and commiting a fallacy. A fetus is alive? not legally. It has basic functions, but hasn't gained the ability to think, beyond instinct. It's not a foregone conclusion that abortion is murder, so stop claiming that it is.

...But anyways, I know I'm not the one to ask about this, because I'm not a specialst on human anatomy, and half the reason I'm pro choice is because the pro-lifers are such assholes. Bloody bible-thumping doctor-shooting hypocrites down south, and up here, we have fat middle aged women who like to parade their kids around with signs saying 'stop killing children'. What the fuck is that. Stop exploiting your kids to further your political views, they don't understand what they're doing! That pissed me off, make sure you pro-lifers here aren't like that.
Jan 25 2004 12:57AM
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Capurnicus
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' Alot of women are raped and get pregnant'

No...relatively very few woman are raped and get pregnant. This is such a special case, it's not even worth bringing up.

Anyways, Don't think its right. On a biological point life begins at the formation of a zygote. Its a cell at that point, with two sets of chromosomes and its its own living organism. So if you adbort the baby, you kill it. You kill a living organism, a really tiny baby. So I don't understand how killing a baby inside the womb is any different than killing one outside the womb. I have a hard time seeing how you could differ in your definition of life.

Then there's the social portion of the debate. If you have sex, there's a probability of having a baby. Infact, you might not know this...but thats what sex is for! Anyways, if you're going to take part in sex you should have the majority and security to have to deal with a situation like this. Because if you do, consequences might come, and they will come whether you're ready or not. You can't just erase the results of what you did because its incoveniant to your life. You can't say ' actually I don't want to serve the time for killing that man because it doesn't really fit into my schedule.' So why should you be able to say ' I'm going to kill a baby because I fucked up and wasn't ready for this.' Now thats really freaking selfish. Personally I just don't believe in the ability to fly out of things like that. Its absolutely no way to live, and it shouldn't be allowed. These are huge things to deal with. And you have to deal with them!!! Its absolutely ludacris to kill a baby because you scrwed up. NO. Thats just wrong.

It screws up the mother too. For life. Knowing you killed your child. The thought of what that child would have been like. The thoughts the child could have had. It's really terrible. The state that abortions take place in are the point which that child needs the mother more than any other time. And that reliance is a pretty sacred thing. You've got to be a pretty terrible person to kill a child at that point.

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Jan 25 2004 1:04AM
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Capurnicus
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' Alot of women are raped and get pregnant'

No...relatively very few woman are raped and get pregnant. This is such a special case, it's not even worth bringing up.

Anyways, I don't think its right. On a biological point life begins at the formation of a zygote. Its a cell at that point, with two sets of chromosomes and its its own living organism. So if you adbort the baby, you kill it. You kill a living organism, a really tiny baby. So I don't understand how killing a baby inside the womb is any different than killing one outside the womb. I have a hard time seeing how you could differ in your definition of life.

Then there's the social portion of the debate. If you have sex, there's a probability of having a baby. Infact, you might not know this...but thats what sex is for! Anyways, if you're going to take part in sex you should have the maturity and security to have to deal with a situation like this. Because if you do, consequences might come, and they will come whether you're ready or not. You can't just erase the results of what you did because its incoveniant to your life. You can't say ' actually I don't want to serve the time for killing that man because it doesn't really fit into my schedule.' So why should you be able to say ' I'm going to kill a baby because I fucked up and wasn't ready for this.' Now thats really freaking selfish. Personally I just don't believe in the ability to fly out of things like that. Its absolutely no way to live, and it shouldn't be allowed. These are huge things to deal with. And you have to deal with them!!! Its absolutely ludacris to kill a baby because you scrwed up. NO. Thats just wrong.

It screws up the mother too. For life. Knowing you killed your child. The thought of what that child would have been like. The thoughts the child could have had. It's really terrible. The state that abortions take place in are the point which that child needs the mother more than any other time. And that reliance is a pretty sacred thing. You've got to be a terrible person to kill a child at that point.



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Jan 25 2004 1:06AM
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J.D.
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^Screwing up the mother... how about the kid? poor thing gets bron into a family that, can't support it, doesn't know how to handle it, and above all, doesn't want it? I don't want to BE that kid. Or, the girl has the kid and throws him in an orphanage. Still no responsibility on her, but the kid goes through enough trauma for anyone's lifetime. no parents, no family... that's got to be a horrible way to grow up.It's not their fault their parent was irresponsible, but lord knows they'll pay for it... It's probably more humane just to stop it before it starts, before the thing has any ability to think for itself. This comes from a suicidal, so take it with a grain of salt if you want, but if you ask me... she's doing her child a favour.

'course... the situation makes all the difference.
Jan 25 2004 1:12AM
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lj5
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^sucking a living organism out of a vahgina isnt trauma?
You are right, she did sell out to disney, I used to listen to Hilary Duff when she was underground.
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Jan 25 2004 1:25AM
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J.D.
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uh...no...it's pain. for a very short period of time.
Jan 25 2004 1:27AM
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Chimichanga15
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J.D._May: You said 'It the fetus has basic functions, but hasn't gained the ability to think, beyond instinct.' Where, then, do you draw the line? What's really alive? Is someone in a coma alive? They have basic functions, but they can't think. What about someone who's severely mentally retarded?

Just some food for thought; I'm not trying to be confrontational, just looking for opinions.
Jan 25 2004 2:15AM
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J.D.
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^that's the weakness of the argument. Nobody can say it is or isn't murder, because you could simply have a different opinion on what constitutes life, when it begins. Nobody can say they KNOW for sure what should be called alive, anyone who does is bloody arrogant. So arguing about that part of the issue is more or less a lost cause. this is why I find it annoying when pro lifers say 'murder vs. privacy' because those are two different parts of the same debate, the social aspect, and what you could call the scientific aspect (whether it's alive or not). I'll just say that, legally, it's not a person.
Jan 25 2004 2:41AM
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Logchucker
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A fetus passes the first trimester when the brain cells are created and it a kid. Before then I believe its a kid still but I believe I can give slight leway there in special circumstnaces only. Abortion
Jan 25 2004 3:20AM
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ElasmoSkiChick
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Aw man, Erik. Too many abortion debates. Haha nice playing devil's advocate. You know my views on abortion I believe.



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Jan 25 2004 5:37AM
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joeengel
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im not really sure what my opionion on it is .. but think of it liek this.. know anyone who was adopted, and say your really good freinds w/ them. well if theri real mother would have had an abortion they wouldnt be around today


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Jan 25 2004 6:00AM
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RideBLUNT
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All you pro-lifers that have had sex, are you ready for a baby?

All you pro-choicers, do you think there should be any laws for abortions, limiting the types, age of the fetus?


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Jan 25 2004 12:18PM
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bigsky_gurl
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yup, birthcontrol is not 100%, condoms break, ect



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Jan 25 2004 12:20PM
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J.D.
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^Haha no no age limits, I think YOU need to be aborted for asking so many damn questions... in the 102nd trimester. This topic is a minefield, I'm done.
Jan 25 2004 12:21PM
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Irotate360
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chris101 has my views exactly




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Jan 25 2004 1:14PM
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.scott.
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let me say this. right now at this moment I am watching my little brother across the room who my family adopted 6 years ago. i am soooo grateful for the chance that we had to welcome a new little person into our family and for the chance that we have to give him a better life than he may have had with his biological mother. we all love hime so much and he has been such a happy addition to our household that i can't imagine why anyone would rather kill their child than give him/her that opportunity to be with parents who can care for them. In fact, almost all unborn babies up for adoption are adopted. The overwhelming percent of kids in child protective services are ones who have parents who are incapable of caring for them. There are couples out there who can't have children, or are just looking to adopt, and they all are just waiting to give someone a better life.
there are situations that are unfortunate, like rape, or failures in birth control, etc. But that does not grant you the right to destroy a new life. I know that it must be terrible if you are a woman who has been raped, but if you are pregnant with a child you cannot take care of than that is part of the wrong that was done to you by the man who raped you. Killing the resulting child would simply compound the wrong that is done, not erase it. This may sound cliche`, but the fact of the matter is that two wrongs do not make a right. The responsibility for that life is yours, whether forced onto you or not, you cannot run from it. It isn't fair, but abortion isn't fair to that kid either.
Simply said, I have never met nor can I conceive a situation in which I would want to kill a baby, the only exception being if giving birth or carrying a child poses a SERIOUS risk to the mother's health. And I don't mean it will just be hard, I mean if it's going to kill her.
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Jan 25 2004 3:57PM
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PhattTim
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Yup, a pretty sticky topic.

I think if the mother/family (mother and partner) decide that an abortion is the best thing for them then they should be able to do it. Legally a fetus is not technically living until it is a certain number of weeks old. From a strictly legal point of view your life doesn't begin until you're born so are you really alive when you're inside your mother? I be none of you remember swimming around in the room thinking about what a chill place it is, no, because you hadn't begun to think, had never opened your eyes, were you really alive? Something magical must happen when you pass out into the real world, a switch somewhere turns on. You begin to live. So before that time, are you technically living? Sure, you have a heartbeat and little tiny fingers, you're alive, but not living.

Basically, I think it's wrong for an abortion after that certain time when the featus is deemed 'alive' by law. And no I don't think that it's living from the moment the sperm cell touches the egg, you have a bunch of cells forming and chaning, there's nothing living there, that happens in nature all the time, it's simply a chemical reaction.

As ^ said, life is a beautiful thing and that's cool about your little brother. Think about the biological mother though. Do you think that everyday she thinks about her son, wishes that she could have given him the life that you and your family have given him? Regrets that she wasn't able to? Sure, she's probably immensly grateful to you guys but I think the emotional pain for her is much the same as it would be had she not had the child at all.

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Jan 25 2004 4:57PM
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This may have been said but I really don't want to read a 5 paragraph long post

I think abortion is wrong, it's a life being taken, UNLESS you were raped or there is a way to show that your contraceptive method failed to work. Otherwise it's just a cheat out of consequences, like a get out of jail free card. When you choose to have sex, you need to accept that you may get pregnant. There are far too many teens taking advantage of this whole abortion shit, which just creates for irresponsible people in the long run.





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Jan 25 2004 5:05PM
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Jib_This
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Who is anyone to go ahead and make a decision for someone else? How could anyone possibly believe that they have the right to limit someone's elses freedom of choice based on opinions and beliefs?

I'm not sure it's right, but I can't possibly delude myself into thinking that abortion is wrong. If you don't like it, ok. Everyone has an opinion(educated or not), and everyone is entitled to just that, an opinion. But forcing your opinion on others is WRONG, no matter how strongly you believe your opinion to be the 'right' one.

Here's something interesting to think about: What if the situation were that being 'anti-abortion' was made illegal? How would you feel then? Probably about the same as those women whose right to choose you put at risk every time you protest outside an abortion clinic, every time you vote for a 'pro-life' candidate(who, in the US anyways, always seems to like the death penalty.), and every time you tell someone that an abortion is 'murder'.



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Jan 25 2004 5:40PM
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rossi900
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tis the girls choice. and on the subject..there is a girl in my school who is..lets say a little chunky, but anyways she always wears this sweatshirt that says 'abortion is homicide' and prances around everyone saying its the devils creation (shes also a jesus freak), but like i said its the girls choice but whenever i see this girl i wanna set her ablaze

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Jan 25 2004 6:42PM
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Capurnicus
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Having the right?? What are you fucking kidding me? What about the right of the unborn baby who needs his or her mother most at that point? What about the right of that baby to live?? Is that right to live wiped away because the mother fucked up and isn't ready? A matter of incovenience over a life?

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Jan 25 2004 6:52PM
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Bob_Loblaw
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i think abortions should be mandatory.
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Jan 25 2004 6:55PM
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Murder.


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Jan 25 2004 7:14PM
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*ELLA*
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the fact is that everyone deserves a second chance, you made a mistake in high school thats no reason to throw away your career/life and punish the child that you accidentally created. i'm not saying i would have an abortion, but the girl should be able to decide. There should be regulations yes, like how about you can only have one abortion.... so that way you get a second chance but you cant go around fucking every guy that you see. and for the whole 'murder' thing government can just regulate it to first trimester or something so that way, yes i supposse it is still murder, but the baby isnt 8 months alive in a fetus and then just destroyed. pro choice, if you were a 15 year old girl with no money and fuck up parents, you would want an abortion

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Jan 25 2004 7:16PM
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JapQuail
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As Michael Moore puts it: 'An embryo is an embryo, a fetus is a fetus, a baby is a baby. That's how God set it up. When it becomes a baby, then it is a human. God doesn't want any more of us any sooner than neccesary.' Well put, Mike. It's a matter of choice, it is up to the woman to decide and bring in factors such as disease, consent, etc. And yes, if men were pregnant, abortions would be completely legal, but also, if men were pregnant, abortions would be neccesary, because we are wimps. One cramp, and we'd shoot ourselves. Two if you have a really high pain tolerance.
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Jan 25 2004 7:18PM
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JapQuail
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As Michael Moore puts it: 'An embryo is an embryo, a fetus is a fetus, a baby is a baby. That's how God set it up. When it becomes a baby, then it is a human. God doesn't want any more of us any sooner than neccesary.' Well put, Mike. It's a matter of choice, it is up to the woman to decide and bring in factors such as disease, consent, etc. And yes, if men were pregnant, abortions would be completely legal, but also, if men were pregnant, abortions would be neccesary, because we are wimps. One cramp, and we'd shoot ourselves. Two if you have a really high pain tolerance.
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Jan 25 2004 7:20PM
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Sharpy
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Unless you're a messed up man, you're going to help take care of the baby, so i think the man should get a say in whether the baby is aborted. Sure the woman gives birth to the baby, but its still 50% of the man. I just disagree with the fact that everyone is saying its the girls choice.
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Jan 25 2004 7:24PM
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Nickskier
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i think pro-lifers totally misinterpret the whole pro-choice arguement. i am pro-choice, and i do not think abortion is right. but i also do not think it is wrong 100% of the time, the point is that for special cases there should be an option.
Jan 25 2004 7:30PM
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