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Constitutional Restrictions after 9/11 ++karma

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Gorilla.Steeze
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I have to write a research paper on this topic and this is what I've come up with so far:

Patriot Act
wiretapping and surveillance
unconstitutional war on iraq
illegal holding of prisoners

I know there are some poly sci majors in here so lets have at it.
 
Mar 29 2009 7:52PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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We weren't really that free of a nation to begin with...
Then again, that depends on who you compare us to.
Mar 29 2009 7:54PM
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Gorilla.Steeze
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yea i realize that but my focus is post 9/11/01
Mar 29 2009 8:07PM
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O.D.S.P.
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ya R.I.P. all of the people in 9/11
Mar 29 2009 8:09PM
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Mr.Panda
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alright, before people start yelling and bitching and moaning at me i can say this....

on a TECHNICAL standpoint (meaning according to the law) Bush never said he wanted to "declare" war on Iraq.  the real term used there right now is "police action" which was the same as what was used in Korea which means that the US Congress doesn't have to approve of it.  at least this is what im hearing from friends of mine in the military.

and to the holding of prisoners, arent they all, once again, TECHNICALLY considered to be POWs so then they kinda dont really have rights to speak of and we can detain them for however long we damn well please?
Mar 29 2009 8:26PM
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Gorilla.Steeze
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you just contradicted yourself by saying that they are "prisoners of war" but then in the previous statement said that we didn't declare war but that it was a "police action." So in this sense they technically aren't POW's because this isn't a war.
Mar 29 2009 8:31PM
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grown-ninja
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talk about the assimilation of the government into our once free market economy and how free trade and such things are diapering but no one cares because of all the social indoctrination we are fed every day, "the government is here to protect us from terrorist so its ok to take our right" "war on terror" consequently most people don't mind when our rights and every aspect of life have benn infrindged on if its for our so called protection

idk just some ideas good luck
Mar 29 2009 8:32PM
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Mr.Panda
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you didnt read everything i said.  in the first statement i am getting the info from a friend i graduated with who is in Marine Intelligence and another buddy who is in the Air Force.  i meant to have that go into the second portion as well.  for all facts it is a war we are fighting and not a "policing action"...  but twisting words allows people ways around those little minor facts.

the people that are captured in Afghanistan on the other hand ARE POWs because i believe we DID declare for on them

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my dad keeps saying we should do what the south koreans did, ask a question, if they dont wanna answer, blow them away.

and dont go yelling geneva convention.  they dont follow it, so really, why should we?  its a horrible way to look at it but im getting pissed about the fact that i know people getting hurt and killed over there because they arent allowed to blow up a mosque that is shooting RPGs at them.
Mar 29 2009 8:39PM
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Mr.Panda
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its called the "Overseas Contingency Plan" now....  the "messiah" decided to rename it so he is gonna come hunt you down and arrest you.
Mar 29 2009 8:40PM
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.KYLE.
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Off topic, but I love it when Constitutional Commies, cough cough Rachel Madcow cough cough Keith Olbermann. Start ranting about how evil Bush is for the Patriot Act and how he doesn't care about the constitution (which he didn't), and then there like "well yeah we should steal money from the rich"
Mar 29 2009 8:48PM
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Mr.Panda
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i just hate how this country is totally going down the shitter.  yes, bush did screw it up some.  but obama has already fucking doubled the deficit and now he is pushing that fucking budget plan through that is just going to bounce the debt up higher.  like that british dude said: "you cant spend money to get out of debt."
Mar 29 2009 8:51PM
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Benedetto.
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write about how the drug prices have gone up since 9/11 and the reasons why. there is a few
Mar 29 2009 8:54PM
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Gorilla.Steeze
Posts: 2215 - Karma: 43
bump
Mar 29 2009 9:13PM
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OhMyBosh
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There ARE a few.



Yes, i'm a
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Mar 29 2009 9:42PM
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CCskin
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Your a little misinformened; First off congress did approve of the military invasion of iraq and the surge, and there was nothing unconstitutional about the invasion of iraq. You can argue that the extent that bush administration went to sway public approval and their deliberate  misinformation campaign was unlawful and unethical, but not unconstitutional.
Second, all POW's are guarentened rights under the geneva convention. The Bush administration therefore labeled everyone in the war of terror, enemy combatants, and they believed that enemy combatants where not privy to geneva convention protections. However 95% of legal scholars do not hold this view and interrupert the geneva convention to guranantee the most basic rights to enemy combatants. 
Mar 29 2009 10:45PM
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CCskin
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You could also talk about the unprecedented amount of executive signing statements. a constitutional grey area.
Mar 29 2009 10:52PM
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