The boots themselves cinch up tight enough.. at least it seems that way.. but the liner has like.. maybe 7mm of movement when I lean foward/backward.. 3.5 each way.. not 7 each way.. its really bugging me, and making shitty snow alot worse by throwing off my balance.. would it be horrible to like.. glue my liners onto the boot shell? btw theres no chance of me getting another pair of boots this season.. not enough cash =(