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Chronic_
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I was just sent this video on facebook. At first I expected it to a screamer but it definetely wasnt. This is some of the most heartbreaking footage I have ever seen and makes me hate myself yet feel lucky for the luxuries i have while these troops are risking their lives for us with almost nothing. I'm sure you are all sick of seeing war crap and hearing about it in the news everyday but if you would please take a few minutes out of the day to watch this me and all the troops and vets out there would thank you. Some of this video is very graphic  just beware that you may see things you didnt want to see.. thank you for your time.
 Support the Troops.

Feb 25 2009 8:11PM
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ButteredToast.
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Agreed.
Yes the fact that the troops are over there really sucks, I can't imagine what it would be like to have to stay over there or have someone stuck there. That would be awful.

But, I also feel like half of that footage was from hollywood war movies and massacres in Uganda, and really had nothing to do with the troops...
Feb 25 2009 10:57PM
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lloyd_christmas
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you know i respect alot of the things you say and the way you write but you're really showing your age here.  fuck you, man.  fuck you.  you have no idea.  if your ass was even as close to as brave or patriotic as the guys in that video i'd have some respect for you.  you're nothing but a little depressed tool who hides behind his computer and complains about things like his girlfriend and bad trips and being "lonely" in alaska or wherever you the fuck you live.

this video is not only incredibly sad, but incredibly true.  yeah, some of these guys didn't have the funds to pay for college like the lucky rest of us.  some of them probably don't believe they are doing a duty for "us", but rather doing a service to achieve an end of their own.  but what does that say about you?  if you're on fire or see a bullet being shot through one of your friends skulls....how do you feel then?  these guys are human, just like we are, but at least they have the fucking bravery to go through with this shit.  you wouldn't last a day in their shoes, and neither would i?

do we generate solidarity through the "totem secret"...do we sacrfice the lives of our middle and poor class to represent heroics and bring together a nation and it's pride? maybe.  but the fact is these guys are dying.  for us.  for the country we belong to.  if they weren't over there, you would be.

there's a time for political disagreement, conspiracy theory, questioning of government funding projects, whatever.  but you can't say shit about this.  there is an objective truth to this matter and it's this: you respect the hell out of these guys regardless of your opinion, political beliefs, or agenda. 

fuck you.
Feb 25 2009 11:07PM
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ferrinski86
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IT REALLY DOES PISS ME OFF WHEN PEOPLE TALK AGAINST OUR TROOPS

agree with the war, don't agree with the war, i don't care but you have NO right to bash our troops. Unless you have fought in a war you shouldn't be able to speak against what they are doing or for what sick government officials lead them in to. They are in war, a small one for that matter. But war is still war.

every one of you little fucks, including myself, should be thankful we live in a half civilized world where we are free to go about and speak our mind. we should all get off of our high horses like we are better than the rest of the world.

how would you like to be living in a third world country where you have no food, you have a repressive government and they kill you for no reason. ( im not describing iraq or iran or afgan... just generalizing).

be fucking thankful you didn't have to fight in the world wars or had to be drafted. fuck some kids really piss me the fuck off.

i support our troops that fight for us that are to weak.
Feb 25 2009 11:07PM
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Ben.
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so did that video really just say towards the beginning that by protesting the war, we arent supporting the troops?


no. just no
Feb 25 2009 11:09PM
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Ben.
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time and again you manage to surprise me with your stupidity
Feb 25 2009 11:10PM
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corona
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well written. *applause*

now tell me this: do they need to be over there?
are they doing any country, including yours, a favour by being there?
can you call someone who can't think for themselves human? (this is too harsh)

give me one good reason why the troops are doing something good
Feb 25 2009 11:23PM
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[~_~]
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Because patriotism is what makes a man respectable, right?

And when did I say I didn't support them? In fact I specifically said that I did support their bravery. People dying is always awful, regardless of nationality, and I apologize for not having a special chord in my heart for American fatalities.

chilllllllll
Feb 25 2009 11:27PM
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lloyd_christmas
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well written my ass, that was bull shit.  i wrote that in about 2 minutes.  and yeah, i get your sarcasm.

you know previous to that post i got a call from my parents with some incredibly devastating news.  i don't come to the internet for pity so i won't say for what, but just know it was written off about 8 beers and 110% frustration and sadness.

that being said....they do need to be over there because that's what their country called on them for.  disagree with the war or not, if we didn't have troops, start the invasion, or respond to 9/11, who knows what would/could have happened in the past 8 years?  they do think for themselves....my fucking roommate and best friend is going to the marines a week and a half right now against many people's wills (including those very close to him) because he thinks it's the right thing to do.  is he thinking for himself? fuck you.

one good reason? how about because they believe in their cause and protecting their country, regardless of what some rich skier kids on the internet think of the war or cause.  if they aren't over there you and i are.  they serve the people whether your self-righteous ass believes it or not.  get out.
Feb 25 2009 11:51PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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I've never heard that line before, but I don't think it could be said any better than what you just did.
Feb 25 2009 11:53PM
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lloyd_christmas
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well you should have one because neither you or i has ever witnessed a bullet fly through one of our good friends head's in the name of any cause.  especially America.

you're live in alaska.  it's not enough to claim a weak stance on "support".  how about some respect?

and maybe "patriotism" doesn't. how about bravery, loyalty, and willingness to die thousands of miles away from friends and family?  that commands my respect.
Feb 26 2009 12:00AM
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corona
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are you a jesus lover?
just a question
Feb 26 2009 12:09AM
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dergblerp
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I'm all for supporting troops and what not, but this video was fuckin cheezy. Soldiers in Iraq aren't fighting to protect my rights, they're fighting for george bush and dick cheney's fucked up agenda.

I'm so sick of all this 'support our troops' bullshit. If america really supported their troops, they'd get them the fuck out of iraq.
Feb 26 2009 12:21AM
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corona
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woho!
Feb 26 2009 12:22AM
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lloyd_christmas
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absolutley.  and that has nothing to do with my stance on this at all, whether you try to prove it or not.  maybe it's because i know more than a few people in this war situation.  don't cop-out and bring religion into this....otherwise give it your best shot. 

i'm over it, nothing you say can change my opinion.  but feel free and i'll tell you why you're wrong.  if not, fine.  we'll leave it at a disagreement.  i really hate these threads....if you can't tell i'm pushing you in the direction of the latter.

Feb 26 2009 12:23AM
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lloyd_christmas
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other than the "cheezy: comment which is completley subjective and thus not provable at all....

i'll allow you to read over your post again a couple times and have you realize how dumb you sound instead of completley pointing it out.

Feb 26 2009 12:28AM
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Hawkeye_Pierce
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Look... let me just say that you are a general douchebag.  ok now for the reasons.
How pissed would you have been had we not done something when 9/11 occurred?
If you had intelligence to prove that they had WMD's and didn't act on it and then they had them and used them on us how would you feel then?
And o yea, I forgot to mention that if you watched the news there was a time when soldiers were coming back sick and no doctors could figure out why.  I'd say that chemical warfare could be considered a WMD wouldn't you?

-"Hawkeye"
  USMC
Feb 26 2009 12:34AM
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corona
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you have blind faith in something you can't prove exists. the same thing goes for the soldiers, they are blindly following what they don't know the least bit about.
they don't think for themselves, neither do you.
Feb 26 2009 12:35AM
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lloyd_christmas
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i completley, 100% disagree, you have no clue....and thus marks the end of any type of provable argument.  good day.
Feb 26 2009 12:37AM
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fappy
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so fucking whitewashed and cliche.  someone explain how soldiers are fighting for my constitutional rights by occupying another sovereign nation.
Feb 26 2009 12:42AM
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Hawkeye_Pierce
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I have factual evidence... plus do you really think the gov't could actually tell civilians everything that we know, you guys would freak if you knew half the shit some of the people I hang with knew... do yourself a favor and just stick it to skiing until you actually know wtf you are talking about.
Feb 26 2009 12:43AM
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iggyskier
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Yep!
Feb 26 2009 12:45AM
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doublexl
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OMFG!!!! that commercial with kid rock mad me RAGE when i saw it in theaters. the government preys on the population...
Feb 26 2009 12:48AM
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Ben.
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you my friend. are an ignorant dumbass.


IRAQ DIDNT FUCKING ATTACK US YOU MORON

also, they didnt have jack shit on intelligence. they guessed. and they wanted an excuse.


the fuck are you talking about sick soldiers?
Feb 26 2009 12:52AM
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Hawkeye_Pierce
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Did I say that they attacked us? o thats right no I didn't... good job reading my post slick.  Secondly they did have intelligence and just because the media didn't get the intelligence and you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there.  Thirdly, the sick soldiers thing didn't last long because we came up with a medicine to control it (atleast that is what I am to believe), I am not positive what it is called right now and I am not going to wake up the people that would know because you need your instant gratification.

You my friend sound like a left wing person who believes that Obama will fix everything, and when he doesn't it is either because he is black or because it is George Bush's fault.  Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Obama is going to be or is a bad president he is my boss, I have faith in him. I am saying though that the armed forces is about preventing things and preparing for what can happen.  We believe that there may have been a threat, so we acted.  Is that really a bad thing?  Yea we got ourselves in a huge mess, but that doesn't change the fact that we should support the troops.  Am I right? 

And how can I be ignorant when I actually talk to people over there on a regular basis?
Feb 26 2009 1:09AM
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Ben.
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"How pissed would you have been had we not done something when 9/11 occurred?"

Sounds an awful lot like you thought iraq attacked us.

No, we didnt have intel for shit. try reading.


"Is that really a bad thing? Yes we got ourselves into a huge mess, but that doesn't change the fact that we should support the troops."

Really? you think thousands of dead soldiers, and countless more dead iraqis for no fucking legitimate reason ISNT a bad thing? again, your a dumbass.

And i never said we shouldnt support the troops. However the vid did imply that by protesting war, we arent supporting the troops. to that i say, go fuck yourself
Feb 26 2009 1:13AM
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haha I'm sorry but I fail to see any logic in this. Let me get this strait...

Because I've never seen my friend get shot in the head in the name of this country, or any ulterior cause, American lives are worth more?
Feb 26 2009 1:14AM
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Ben.
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"You my friend sound like a left wing person who believes that Obama will fix everything, and when he doesn't it is either because he is black or because it is George Bush's fault."

Bahahahahahah what? first of all, no i dont think hell save everything.

What the fuck does his blackness have to do with anything

the war is bushes fault...


"And how can I be ignorant when I actually talk to people over there on a regular basis?"

Because you listen to only their perspective....
Feb 26 2009 1:15AM
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K2skipunk
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Feb 26 2009 1:34AM
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Hawkeye_Pierce
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Because you know me and all....
Feb 26 2009 1:35AM
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Arabian.
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I support our troops because they are people as well.

I DON"T support the decision, the cause behind it, or the way it is being handled.

I DON"T support this crock of bullshit propaganda the Repubs are spewing out at me. They have pools in the green zone. Huge cafeterias, free coke products, and they only work 8 hour shifts. This isn't fucking Vietnam.

I also would like to say to those who say "IF you can't get behind them get infront." Fuck you. It's that sort of senseless follow the leader shit that that got us into this in the first place.

Feb 26 2009 1:43AM
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Ben.
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first of all im glad thats the only point you could come up with.

second its clear you have no fucking clue. its great that you support the guys over there. they need that, but using one source for all your info only leads to ignorance.
Feb 26 2009 1:49AM
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ChronicLines
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You act like the lack of personal input from soldiers is a bad thing, how can you say this?  The entire military is based upon taking orders from your superiors.  Without that direct input from superiors, what would the US have?  Millions of people running around with weapons, air planes, boats, etc with their own agenda.

You seem like the ignorant douche that refuses to see the other point of view, plus you have a rasta/Bob Marley icon which makes you an even bigger homo.  You realize Rastafarians hate white people, right?
Feb 26 2009 2:06AM
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AB_Pow
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i respect the troops 100 % I kno i could never do the stuff they do. my teacher showed a vid of world record canadian snipers blowing heads off the taliban from 2 miles away...that was amazing but totally fucked up at the same time.

Feb 26 2009 2:20AM
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Obsessedwski
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you took the words right out of my mouth

you americans seriously need to get the fuck over your left v.s. right bullshit and either have make up sex or get a divorce pronto because we are tired of your fighting and bickering we overhear up here

about the war I hope the troops are safe but at the same time I really think they need to re-think what they've gotten themselves into and if they really need to be doing this. Also I have a feeling Bush didn't actually have much to do with anything really, but he was just a puppet for the real dark evil that is Dick Cheney and company?
Feb 26 2009 3:27AM
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dergblerp
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The video is fucking cheezy. I'm not saying that the soldiers don't work hard in iraq, but i'm saying this is a dumb melodramatic shitty ass video!

There's nothing dumb about my previous post. It's true that we're in this dumb war because of george bush, and he's the one who fucked everything up (along with his advisors of course). Support our troops does NOT = Support the war, and I'm tired of people assuming these go hand in hand. I do not support this war in any way, and I think it's unfair that our troops are overseas risking their lives for a cause that our country doesn't give a fuck about. If you truly care about American troops, then I hope you're as outraged as I am that they are STILL overseas after 6 years. BRING THEM HOME FOR FUCKS SAKE!
Feb 26 2009 3:33AM
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aurora.
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Feb 26 2009 3:33AM
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Static
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No Gods No Country No Masters
FUCK the troops we all financially SUPPORT against our will
Feb 26 2009 3:57AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I support our soldiers when they are fighting a war that is more about freedom and principle than money and power.
Feb 26 2009 5:23AM
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XtRemE11
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not really, they chose to go fight in the war, and they really arent fighting for my rights. i totally respect the troops, but i hate people and vids like this that try to make us feel bad for not risking our lives for a bullshit war.
Feb 26 2009 5:36AM
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Chronic_
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ok this is turning into a hate fest and its not what i intended. im not trying to send you on a "guilt trip" or make support the war. I just want you to realize what our troops are doing out there. i dont care if you dont like the war their fighting in or why their fighting in it because honestly i think this war is a huge mistake. these men and women are over risking their lives in the U.S millitary and they deserve our respect. even if its not to save us from certain danger. Plus most of these soldiers joined right after 9/11(im not getting into this debate) because at that point it WAS a war on terror. it just ended up turning into the U.S wanting the arabs oil. so its not like they chose to fight a useless war.
Feb 26 2009 6:47AM
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MrScruff
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Seriously people there's more to it than Iraq Iraq Iraq. Just because you don't feel troops are fighting for your safety and freedom in Iraq doesn't mean they won't genuinely be fighting for them elsewhere in the future as they certainly have done in the past. The bigger picture hasn't changed.
Feb 26 2009 8:14AM
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DANETRON
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my threads for later

Feb 26 2009 10:47AM
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Hawkeye_Pierce
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Actually it was clear that this is a really pointless arguement, I am sick and I wanted to go to bed. 
Feb 26 2009 11:14AM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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and that makes him a better man than you.
Feb 26 2009 11:18AM
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Static
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especially to his fatherless kids
Feb 26 2009 11:29AM
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lloyd_christmas
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no but you should have the compassion and respect of those who have, regardless of your opinion on the war.  i'm sorry for being very angry at first, it was a bit out of my hands, but i still stand by my opinion.

some people are over there for the right reasons, for something they believe in.  if someone you knew had died in the war you wouldn't want people insulting its cause or calling a video in support of them "gay".  that's all. period.
Feb 26 2009 1:29PM
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Feb 26 2009 1:39PM
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Uhg. For the hundredth time: I RESPECT the soldiers for their bravery. Do I think it was very smart of them to get themselves into this mess? No. Do I agree with their motives? Fuck no. Do I support them? No. Do I respect them? You're damn right I do!

Somebody you care about has obviously been drastically affected by this, and I understand that you support them, but you have to see where I'm coming from. Do you really think that patronizing video was "support?" I'm sorry but there are SO many better ways to support a cause then by watching irrelevant footage of people dying. It shouldn't take gory images to realize the obvious fact that war is indeed gruesome. So yes, I still think that video was lame as shit, because I will not be guilt-tripped into excessive patriotism.

No, our freedom is not at stake. And no, I would not be in there place if they weren't the ones fighting (I'd flee in a heartbeat). It just sickens me that somebody would take something as real as our loved ones dying for absolutely no reason and exploit it to make us wave our flags a little bit higher.
Feb 26 2009 2:02PM
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ferrinski86
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Kind of long BUT PLEASE READ

speaking of vietnam....

i sell furniture and this old vet came in to buy some furniture for his new apartment.

You want to talk about fighting for your life you talk to an old war vet like this, or the ones from The World wars.

This guy was messed up in the head, i could hardly understand him. he was saying how he loves the dark because "charlie cant see you in the dark, but then you also could not see the trip wires." this guy fought for this life everyday, he didn't know if he would be alive in the next 30 minutes or not.

he was on patrol one night with 30 men and they were jumped by "charles," 28 out of 30 got killed right there. The guy and his friend were the only two to live (but the congs thought they were all dead) so they took blood off their own friends, put it on their faces and body and half buried themselves in the 8 inches of mud they were in to look dead when the little fuckers came up to shoot whoever was alive. after they left this guy and his friend bolded the hell out of there. now thats the will to survive.

he said the enemies sometimes didn't even have guns or clothes on. all they wore was shorts and had their knives with them. they were sneaky as hell he said, they would come up behind you, quiet as hell, and cut your throat. he said they were everywhere like that. you were always on guard, always scared shitless.

he said little boys would come up and ask you for a smoke and when you went to go get one the kid would raise up his arm pit and have a live gernaide and would blow you up. thats fucked up. he said either you died or he died.

there were no prisoners like there are now (unless you were really important). he said they killed you no matter what, or got the info out of you and then killed you. but you know what? we did the same thing on our side. "too much baggage to carry around" is what this guy said.

These are the people i support 100%. i will never experience anything like that in my day, thank God. just alittle story that is kind of relevant to this thread.
Feb 26 2009 2:18PM
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ferrinski86
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oh and one other thing.

he was wearing all of his little pins on his shirt.

no matter what his government did at the time he was in war it didn't matter. he was and is still proud to be an american, no matter what the general public thought. he took all the hatred and everything.
Feb 26 2009 2:20PM
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