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Explain how the Line Afterbang will be so great

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camohard
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Can anyone actually explain how the afterbang will be stronger (don't just say because it's built like a skateboard)? Also, I saw somewhere claim that it will reduce wood waste and plastic content? Will they have wood as the sidewall and topsheet? Sorry if that last part is obvious, I haven't looked around too much.
Feb 19 2009 6:37PM
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hellomynameisjef
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what a retarded name
Feb 19 2009 6:39PM
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pmw
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there is no sidewall or topsheet. I dont know about the side wall, but the topsheet just has like a lamnation
Feb 19 2009 6:40PM
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panojibber
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I'm not sure about stronger, but they will reduce waste wood. I will not explain how.

The thing I'm most excited for is to see how such a different construction performs and how it will be different. Interesting for sure, I won't be buying a pair, but I'll be watching them closely.
Feb 19 2009 6:41PM
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Dhane
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from the way its constructed i get the feeling that it will just de-lam on your first hit. but edge retention is good on the ski because it rests in the wood, which reinforces the edge and aacts as a damper. some one correct me if that is false
Feb 19 2009 6:41PM
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BEARS.
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its built like a skateboard.
Feb 19 2009 6:42PM
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RickAstley
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ye im not really sure either but the graphic is sooo sick...
Feb 19 2009 6:43PM
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Stan_Darsh
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^cool.
Feb 19 2009 6:43PM
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CZA
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its honestly the best ski i've ever ridden.
its a cheap ski that can take a beating and there's not too many of those.
Feb 19 2009 6:46PM
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Blurst
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i have to disagree with you on that one
Feb 19 2009 6:47PM
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BigMeech621
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i thought it didnt have lamination. how could something without lamination de-lam?

Feb 19 2009 6:47PM
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camohard
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^ it's a horizontal lamination, as opposed to vertical. i gotta go do some work, but ill explain later if you still don't get it. im stoked for some solid debate, cause I'm not that convinced, and I think I know my shit.

seriously though, why would you post saying that it will reduce wood waste, but you aren't going to explain. i made this thread so that the claims can be proven through intelligent and supported reasoning.
Feb 19 2009 6:53PM
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camohard
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no one else?
Feb 21 2009 1:21PM
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abelG
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Is it a light ski? Does anyone know?

+k!
Feb 21 2009 1:44PM
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Chrris
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 should be around the weight of the invaders since "apperently"
there wider and if they really do use less matterials then yes it should be similar to the invaders probably a bit heavyer though
Feb 21 2009 4:34PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Nope, reminds me of Nickelodeon.
Feb 21 2009 6:49PM
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richards
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yes they are quite light.. they were alot lighter than my chronics thats for sure
Feb 21 2009 7:21PM
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Lemuel
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i saw and felt these in person, and this pair has definitely taken a beating. no "de-lam" or anything major, just tons of chips from obvious hard riding and a scratch on the base. the ski was super poppy and a bit stiffer than the invader. fairly lightweight ski. i really dont think this ski can delam. the wood layers will most likely not separate.
Feb 21 2009 8:50PM
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MEGAZORD
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Have you ever seen a skateboard delam? 
Feb 21 2009 10:26PM
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jibwear
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no, but i've seen about 47 break in half
Feb 21 2009 11:17PM
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camohard
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^haha. k, lets just think about this for a second. correct me if Im wrong, but skis usually delam at the shift from base/edge to the rest of the ski, right? As far as I can tell, these skis still have metal edges and plastic bases. Now, I guess if they don't have a plastic sidewall, this will help, but I would expect to still see relatively average delamination.
Anyone got anything on the less material claim? I find this one really confusing.
Also, to those that have seen/touched them: what was the top like? I assume they've been clear-coated with like a ployurethane or something?
Feb 21 2009 11:39PM
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MEGAZORD
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They ride much like the anthem.  The lack of brittle topsheet material allows the ski to not chip, like a traditional sidewall ski.  They will get knicked up and whatnot, but will not delam. 
Feb 21 2009 11:48PM
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potatoes.
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been skiin em all week/weekend and love em. they kill the rail scene and seem to be champ on jumps. not the greatest jump ski but exceptional.
have to give em back on monday but will be orderin a pair.
word. they are butter on a pancake. word.
Feb 22 2009 12:23AM
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lineordie
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^ word. how are the dimensions on those pupsters? wide enough / not wide enough? word.

word.
Feb 22 2009 1:15AM
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Literature
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People in this thread are saying some ridiculous stuff.

The wood will not hold together simply by virtue of being wood. The resin or epoxy used is what holds it together, and what determines if it will fall apart, assuming the laminates were properly sanded.

Sidewalls are heavy. UHMW stands for Ultra High Molecular Weight, when there are heavy molecules they make for a heavy (but durable) material for use in sidewalls. Same for top sheets. Eliminating the sidewall altogether will make for a lighter ski, but brings in the problem of wood sidewalls, which have a nasty habit of chipping a lot.

The jury will be out until the end of next season, when lots of people have gone out and bought them based on the hype and done mass product testing. We'll know then. After my Reactors experience, I'm loath to buy a first year innovation product. If this does work though, expect lighter skis in the future.
Feb 22 2009 3:28AM
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a_pla5tic_bag
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Traveling Circus kids seem to be killing it with afterbangs, and they do some serious rail stuff.
Feb 22 2009 9:04AM
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GratefulDead
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skateboards can delaminate ive seen it but it only happens when it gets rained on and the wood gets soggy
Feb 22 2009 9:56AM
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Bong_Master
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the afterbangs will have a water resant coating so no water/snow can gett to the wood
Feb 22 2009 10:00AM
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mike720b
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https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/434046/

watch that video.. most you want to know is in there

Feb 22 2009 5:45PM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
On the contrary, they are apparently harder to break, and provide a much more natural feeling flex.

As far as the engineering goes, when you laminate horizontally, the bonding agent between layers of wood provides HOOOOG resistance to bend/shift in the upward direction. In a normal vertical laminate ski, the only real resistance to flex is the wood itself (and fiberglass/metal), because there is only one layer vertically speaking. So it makes sense that it would lessen wood use, because for the same flex strength, you can use thinner wood with a horizontal laminate.

If this doesn't make sense to anybody, I am sorry, I wish I had a visual aid, just trust me though, I have done a lot of work with longboard decks, and know a few things about horizontal lamination.

Hope that helps.
Apr 17 2009 9:05AM
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Mt_Baker_Man
Posts: 2012 - Karma: 105
Thats because the points of weighting are the ends of the skateboard when doing any sort of board center grind, when skiing, your feet are in the middle of the ski, so when you are killin the rails at the park, your really just smooooshin the skis, thats why snowboards break in half, and skis usually don't.

The only time you really break cores of skis is when you are doing tons o butter, but since the Afterbangs are horizontal laminate, I think they will prolly hold up better to butters as well. The reason is pretty simple. A traditional vertical lam ski has 1 horizontal layer of wood, and the thicker wood gets, the less bending it takes to break, so with a lot of thin layers, which by themselves are very bendy, but together, are strong, and still very bendy, you get a more poppy, less breakable core.
Apr 17 2009 9:13AM
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49566738265
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It cost less to make it with the new lamination process.  My question is why does everyone think different lamination is so innovative?  There are only two or three ways to make skis as far as orientation of the wood goes, so I would bet money that other companies have  tried both and determined which was better at some point.  Line is an example of marketing genius though.  There are hundreds of kids on here that haven't ridden the ski and are committed to buying them already.
Apr 17 2009 9:21AM
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Mt_Baker_Man
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Watch what you say, I am not going to buy these skis, I just know the engineering side of the lamination process and decided to impart my wisdom upon the masses.

The reason skis are made with vertical lamination is mostly cost. Ski cores would just be one solid chunk of wood but they would be way too soft then, the vertical lamination just stiffens the wood a bit, but also saves on wood prcessing, and resin.
Apr 17 2009 9:50AM
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summersover
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to be honest I don't think these are going to be all that different to any other skin sure they might last longer or be lighter but LINE thinks they're re-inventing the wheel so to speak and they are getting a bunch of kids to believe this is some amazing revolution when really no one has seen if they are really all that different from anything else
as far as i know the graphic is weak and gross looking and I have heard the ski has slow bases...
it will be interesting to see if it is as durable as they say
Apr 17 2009 10:00AM
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skiP.E.I.
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They are using the graphic to connect themselves to skateboarding history, because the graphic is designed by an influential skate graphic artist circa 80s/ early 90's. They want to connect themselves with skating as much as possible, because their advertising is geared toward how "revolutionary" their skateboard style construction is and they need to get as much mileage out of that as possible. I'm not the biggest fan of the graphics myself, but it is an effective use of imagery and good advertising.
Apr 17 2009 10:37AM
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will-g
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does anyone know are these replaceing the invaders?

i'm sure this has already been covered but i searched and nothing came up for 2010 invaders

Apr 17 2009 11:14AM
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skiP.E.I.
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I think they are replacing Invaders, but there's another price point park ski coming out as well that I think will be similar to the Invader, i forget what it's called though.
Apr 17 2009 12:16PM
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49566738265
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Mastermind?
Apr 17 2009 12:32PM
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49566738265
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What?  Almost none of that is true.

I build furniture, and I would have to disagree.
Apr 17 2009 12:36PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Personally, I never by the first-year production of a product. If it's the first year of something and all goes well then I will by it after the season is over, and there are no problems.
Apr 17 2009 4:25PM
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Malcolm
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i really want to test ride some
Apr 17 2009 4:28PM
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