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Moguls?

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Fev4ng
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how do i ride moguls?
Feb 15 2009 11:29AM
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JCsteezy
Posts: 758 - Karma: 211
however you can get down just the more you ski them the faster youll get and the more comfortable you need to be able to absorb the impact and kinda bend your nees over the bumps so you dont get air
Feb 15 2009 11:50AM
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MACAQUE
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I have figured out that the most important thing is picking a good line, knowing what your line is before you hit it, and sticking to your line no matter what. You just have to commit. I DH mountain bike and skiing moguls is like it a lot because you just have to ski a good line.
Feb 15 2009 12:15PM
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Armegadon
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Watch Traveling circus 4 i think its Ahmet who shows us how its done.
Feb 15 2009 12:17PM
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panojibber
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If you want to ski moguls better then go ask a level 4 instructor, they'll help you out alot. There's alot more to it than can be explained on NS in words, so I would really ask a high level instructor because they do know how its done. The somewhat lengthy post a little above me explained it pretty well.
Feb 15 2009 12:40PM
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COskier
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What are you talking about it doesn't hurt to fall in moguls. I got way more injuries in my freestyle days than in the park. It's much less painful to land on a big steep park jump than on moguls.
Feb 15 2009 1:14PM
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tride
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Unless you are a 40 year old lady, I would advise against talking to any level ski instructor about mogul technique.

Talk to freestyle club coaches and/or kids who are in freestyle clubs with mogul programs.

The technique that ski instructors teach for mogul skiing is nothing at all like competitive bump skiing technique.
Feb 15 2009 2:22PM
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kowski
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it does on the east coast after a refreeze. when your carrying good speed its like falling onto rocks.
Feb 15 2009 2:48PM
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mmckechnie
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ask radio ron
Feb 15 2009 2:55PM
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kowski
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ive never competed so I don't how to classify myself but I am decent enough to tackle all the lines at my local hill with good speed.  i went down on my last run of the day yesterday going fast enough that i can no longer walk due to a very bruised hip. I had skied them fine all day i guess i was just over tired. regardless of speed, i have fallen of my mt bike and sent myself into trees at 10mph and had less immeditae pain than i did yesterday. not hating on mogul skiing just on ice coast conditions.
Feb 15 2009 3:04PM
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panojibber
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Trust me when I say this, level 4 instructors really do know their shit, and for this guy, assuming that he's not asking about how you ski comp moguls and just wants moguls help, a level 4 instructor would be able to help him out. This is for a level 4 CSIA instructor however, and a level 4 in Canada could be drastically different from where you are. Trust me though, a level 4 CSIA instructor can teach you damn good technique for moguls up to but not including comp moguls. Keep in mind that the CSIA is one of the best if not the very best ski instruction organization in the world, so if you live somewhere else be wary.

As for comp moguls, whole different ball game I agree, I've skied them once and I will admit I fell into the netting but fuck was that an icy and steep bumps course lol. Something for me to work on.

Feb 15 2009 3:08PM
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tride
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I'm in Canada, I know the CSIA, I got a level 2 years ago, just to see what it was all about. I've skied with plenty of level 4 instructors, and while many of them are great skiers, I do think the CSIA technique is just a little lacking in the performance department.

CFSA (freestyle), and CSCF (racing), techniques are way more beneficial IMO.

You're right in that a good instructor will definitely be able to help this guy out in the moguls, but I think that given the choice of CSIA instructor vs Freestyle Coach, then a good coach would be a way better call, even for a beginner mogul skier.

CSIA teaches their own versions of "high performance techniques" on both groomed and moguls. Whereas, in my mind, if you're on a groomer the goal should be make a turn like a World Cup racer, not like a level 4 instructor.

Same goes for moguls. The CSIA bending forward at the waist style is just not as effective as the stacked, forward from the ankles position that freestyle ski coaches will teach. CSIA technique is more concerned with going around each mogul, whereas freestyle will teach how to go directly over the moguls, using a different body position that lends itself to much more effective absorption and extension.

CSIA is a great association, but honestly I think their technical stream is best suited for older people or non-athletic types who might not be fit enough to use alpine or freestyle techniques. I think anyone young and fit will get way more benefit from working with freestyle and alpine coaches.
Feb 15 2009 5:59PM
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stonedTEX
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I am not an expert when it comes to competitive mogul skiing but here are a few things to think about when you ski moguls.

1. be aggressive, you need to keep you weight forward and not let your skiing become defensive.
2. keep your weight centered and your body facing down the hill,  let your lower body turn and try to keep your upper body stable and facing the direction of travel.
3.use pole plants, use them and reach for them.  This will keep you in a aggressive position and help keep you upper body stable and facing down the hill.
4. slide in your turns.  don't try to grip the snow with your edges, it will only make you work harder and keep you in a defensive position. sure try to stick to a line between the moguls but if you lose it and in up on top of a mogul instead of in between them just slide over the top and get back in your groove.

hope that helps
Feb 15 2009 8:18PM
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kstanz
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plant your poles into the poler bears back!
Feb 15 2009 10:52PM
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Dizzyskier
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Sliding is what you do on rails... carving is what you do in good mogul turns!




To the person who suggested a lesson:

PSIA technique never has and NEVER will win a mogul competition. It is designed to teach the 35 year old accountant how to "survive" a mogul run.
Feb 15 2009 11:09PM
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panojibber
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Agreed, perhaps the final thing mentioned in your post about over vs. around is why I ate shit in the comp moguls lol. I'll have to try that next weekend.

To the above poster, PSIA and CSIA are different organizations, CSIA being the better I believe.

However, to the original poster, if you want to learn to ride moguls, not necessarily to take your mogul skiing to the level of comp moguls, then a lesson would be quite beneficial. Lesson is the first step, coaching comes after. For your purposes a lesson would be fine.
Feb 15 2009 11:43PM
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Caveman.
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Great list, I would like to ad something though.

7. Look about 3 moguls in front of you. This will come naturally after a while and is especially important if your not skiing an actual maintained line. A surprise bump or deeper trough will be less likely to throw you off if you anticipate.
Feb 15 2009 11:52PM
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TheButterHashira
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I just wanted to bump a thread about moguls. I am pretty stoked on them this season. My hill widened a run and theyre going to put moguls on it.
Nov 27 2009 8:07PM
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Mr.Huck
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No hate, but that totally reminds me of a gaper quote.  Guy asked what machine they used to make the moguls.  Sounds like your hill would be breaking out their special mogul placer to build their new mogul run.  LOL!  PS - For skiing North Carolina moguls, I would have my dentist on speed dial. 
Nov 27 2009 8:17PM
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GayWolf420
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if you can't ski bumps, then you should just stop skiing in all. simple as that
Nov 27 2009 9:17PM
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SKIU4EA
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-- quick adjustments

-- start skiing bumps VERY SLOWLY (don't rush through them).  As you comfortably fall into a rythm and improve... speed things up

--I think of bumps as a fight.  Attack the slope!! be aggressive this will get you leaning forward This has always helped me

All of this collective wisdom is EXCELLENT advice.  Everything i have read plays a huge part... pole planting, a good line, bend the knees, body forward,  and when you wreck check to make sure your pass didn't fall off.

Nov 27 2009 9:24PM
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shredables
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dude im not hating but you honestly cant expect to learn how to ride moguls by reading someones quick write up.
next time your out shredding, find some moguls and watch what the fast guys do. hands up, feet together, weight centered, look ahead, and get that rythem (to satisfy your want for a pathetically quick write up)
Nov 27 2009 9:57PM
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Commonwealth
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I'm horrible at bumps. But I just blame it on the noodles that are strapped to my feet.
Nov 27 2009 10:01PM
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DrZoidberg
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Doing moguls properly is something that has avoided me for a while. I still think it's impressive regardless of if it's considered cool or lame and it's something I'm gonna work on this year. Chronics should take me through them rather well, right?

I remember I was somewhere, but I cannot recall where, they had moguls that were the size of a VW Beetle made entirely of ice. I hit the side, lost it and went flying, landing square on my hip on more ice. Not fun. They were big enough to use as a small hip, but a lot more dangerous and icy than a real hip.

Also, that one slope a A-Bay called Pallavincini or whatever. That is fun no matter how slow you go down it.
Nov 27 2009 10:12PM
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SKIU4EA
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some people learn better by visualization and others by detailed instruction.  Are you that naive?

Aand if they can't learn by reading why are you explaining it?

Nov 27 2009 10:17PM
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the-big-lepowski
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radio ron, as said above.

also, to take the plunge and actually ski them versus scrubbing speed and carving between them, you have to square your shoulders to the fall line and just go.  Ideally, your torso should stay in a straight path downhill, with your arms in front and only your wrists landing each pole plant.  And of course, your legs will do all the work, absorbing each hit and extending afterward.  After a while, your tempo will speed up, to where Olypians make 3 edge changes per second.

Nov 27 2009 10:39PM
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lilwhiz165
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with skis
Nov 27 2009 10:55PM
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TGdude
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just find out where they store them in the summer and get in some more practice.  you'll get it eventually.
Nov 27 2009 11:47PM
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nickmiles
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the best of the best have ridden, and definitely still slay moguls.
Nov 28 2009 12:53AM
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DR.SHRED
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just stay on top of them by not turning it works for me

Nov 28 2009 12:56AM
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fouldsys
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many people on this site have mogul backgrounds(including myself) and can surely give some pointers. ski instructors are bull shit btw. theyll teach you how to ski bumps like any other menopausal woman. unless your talking to a legit coach, i wouldnt bother.

as for the op, i think the most important things are to have your hands in front of you at all times, keep your head up and look at least 3 bumps a head of you, pole plant on the backs of moguls and move those knees up and down like its your job.
Nov 28 2009 2:14AM
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3mania
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file:///Users/joseph/Desktop/www.youtube.com:watch%3Fv=JvHV36K7IGs.webloc
Nov 28 2009 3:21AM
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shredables
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read between the last parentheses
Nov 28 2009 7:05AM
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AEROPLAEHN
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use snowblades + no pole steez, it's fuckin pro for moguls.
Nov 28 2009 7:37AM
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