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Petition ESPN - NO TEXT TO WIN

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123ski
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Who can we petition to take the text to win out of the X-games.  Can Mr. Bishop help us? He is one who helps choose athletes for the X-games.  Can John Symms help us? He works for EXPN.  Can Mike Douglass help us? How about Luke Van Valin?  Whoever can help us, we need it bad.  How does a double front flip beat a switch double cork 1260, or a switch double rodeo 1080, or even a Kangaroo flip?  This is just getting rediculous.  I could write for hours about how sad this is for our sport.  I mean, it is great that he is giving 10k to Riley Poor, there is no greater deed than that.  However, I am sure he could raise money to get that money for Riley anyway.   Do we really want double front flips becoming the new big air.  Next we will probably see a double back, which would soon be followed by a tripple back + 1080 (i.e. Triple Triple...you know where this is going). 

I hope the best for Riley Poor, I honestly do, but I hope that Simon never wins another big air again with a double front flip and a misty 1080 a la 2002. 
Jan 24 2009 11:24PM
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Derailed
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ya text voting = bad for the sport
previously mentioned people need to step up and stop this.
Jan 24 2009 11:44PM
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Shark.
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Seriously. We have to get to people who can make a difference
Jan 24 2009 11:45PM
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Literature
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I'm in. This text to win is making a joke of skiing.
Jan 24 2009 11:45PM
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yellav
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competitions are gay
Jan 24 2009 11:45PM
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Alex_G
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jibtech needs to make a thread supporting simon
Jan 24 2009 11:46PM
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123ski
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ESPN CONTACT INFO:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/contact


Jan 24 2009 11:47PM
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newgard
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don't hate the player; hate the game!


Jan 24 2009 11:47PM
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ericman
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we need to have judges because it would be a sick event but everyone will just vote for dumont because he is most popular, and pk should have won big air
Jan 24 2009 11:48PM
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Jamestown
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the only time text to win will be ok is if there are amazing judges that just cant be there, they text in their votes.
Jan 24 2009 11:48PM
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Mooserz
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I think we need to install an electoral college for text voting
Jan 24 2009 11:49PM
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hollygrove
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dumont totally knew he should've have won too.
Jan 24 2009 11:49PM
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AnteO
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why all this "have to get my feelings out after the comp"- threads? It's not like it was a suprise.. Simon played it smart, All the riders participating knew how it would play out before-hand. no biggie. I do however agree the bigair/text-voting thing is the most redic thing ever.. Hope a few espn guys gets fired right away..

Jan 24 2009 11:49PM
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Tinga
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if so thats just straight up poor sportsmanship.

but i guess this is sort of a double edged sword. i guess most people that are watching this are non skiers and they see something that they find amazing that makes them want to start skiing i guess thats great but i hope they go on to learn that a double front flip is bogus and that a double cork should easily win.

another point is that i dont see how some ignorant kid with a cell phone can think that two straight flips is better than a double cork. i mean a double cork is basically two flips with spinny things right? why vote for flippy shit when you can vote for flippy spinny shit right?
Jan 24 2009 11:50PM
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Shlogan
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i really think it was dumonts nationality, cloths, and front off the knowl that really swayed this. if tom wallasch did a lincln or something off the knowl, and then threw a clean dub, he would be the only thing that coould have beaten simon. anyone think that?
Jan 24 2009 11:51PM
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123ski
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The "Text to Win" judging that ESPN has imposed on Winter X-Games Big Air is ridiculous.  Both skiing and snowboarding witnessed a bias based on the nationality of the snowboarder/skier in the event.  Skiing saw tricks that had never been done before lose against tricks that have been thrown for years.  Snowboarding saw a trick that wasn't even landed properly win.  I am a skier, I don't play many other sports, and the "text to win" popularity contest is ruining my sport! Please ESPN stop text!
Jan 24 2009 11:52PM
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MoistAbode
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i want this abolished now!
Jan 24 2009 11:53PM
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borskee
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double off axis spins just looks like a regular spin to these 12 year old non-skiers with cell phones
Jan 24 2009 11:54PM
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Tinga
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not really because im guessing more than half of the people that voted have no idea who tom is
Jan 24 2009 11:54PM
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blindside
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can we add to this petition a "no front flips to win" too?
Jan 24 2009 11:54PM
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highaltNM
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yeah, right.....  X-games fucking sucks. 
Jan 24 2009 11:54PM
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RMillz
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everyone should send something like this to espn
whether your lazy and want to copy this or not just take action
Jan 24 2009 11:55PM
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Bradyballin101
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yup
Jan 24 2009 11:55PM
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Shlogan
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but they can tell hes american, they cant tell he stand out cuz of his cloths, and he.... idk.... looks steezed out and less of a forced steeze than dumont????
Jan 24 2009 11:57PM
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Big--Ben
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i missed it... what and who won in snowboard?
Jan 24 2009 11:59PM
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Drail
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All I can really say is: 92% - 8% for Travis Rice in semi finals...

Seriously, the skiers knew there would be a bias towards the American. I don't know why they were even throwing double corks or double flips. If I were in their shoes I would have calmed 'er down a little and done a cork 9 with a uber tweaked grab. Or a cork 360... you know, tricks that are fun. Shit, throw a double screamer like Jf Cusson did back in the day.
Jan 25 2009 12:00AM
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KristianBratlie
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I just sent that to espn! everybody else that care about the future of our sport should do it aswell!

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/contact
Jan 25 2009 12:01AM
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123ski
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exactly what my post is about. I never said anything about Simon, I said the text to win needs to stop.
Jan 25 2009 12:03AM
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ZM231
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agreed
Jan 25 2009 12:04AM
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bpalmer
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hey man thats not fair. dumont didnt do anything wrong at all. its the whole text-judging thing that really fucked it up..

i mean, dumont came out and did his best tricks! he doesnt really do dub corks, but he does have cool ones and he did them and everyone loved them. should he have won? absolutely not. but why does he deserve hate? shits fucked up. he wasnt even stoked to win, he looked pretty solemn. plus hes giving away the prize money. what more does ns want?
Jan 25 2009 12:04AM
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borskee
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everyone should copy and paste that message from 123ski and send that email/complaint
i know i just did
Jan 25 2009 12:05AM
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123ski
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I JUST GOT AN E-MAIL FROM FIELD PRODUCTIONS THAT SAYS:

Hello everyone,

We won´t let the text voting system ruin the chances for a Norwegian to win the X-games Big Air.
(Example: Torstein Horgmo snowboard big air Thursday Jan 22)

Please join the group if you share the same meaning:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46196598874

For all you people living in Europe, please tune in on www.freecaster.tv , even if its early morning/mid night for you and VOTE for PK Hunder.

Voting info will appear on the screen.

The contest starts 8.30 PM ET time. (05.30 in Norway.)

Thank you for your time.

Filip
Field Productions
Jan 25 2009 12:07AM
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WONTON
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no need for anyone to hate on simon. He threw down what the people wanted to see. I'm 100% sure he knows the competition was lame and ridiculous. a back to laid out back probably wouldve taken 2nd place.
Jan 25 2009 12:08AM
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bpalmer
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also i want to point something out to everyone saying PK's dub cork was weak because it wasnt super duper corked. yeah, he's done better ones, but double corks that are like that, subtle in their axis, are incredibly difficult to go off axis, on axis, back off axis, and then back on axis to land. its a crazy ass trick... that sw dub 12 was beyond ridiculous
Jan 25 2009 12:08AM
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123ski
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Who said it wasn't sick?
Jan 25 2009 12:14AM
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filip
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Do not blame Simon for this. It is X-games that should be blamed. It´s embarrassing to see a voting system like this rule the X-games. Its wrong.
Jan 25 2009 12:15AM
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E.R
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its a shame that the athletes work and train so hard just to loose out in a popularity contest
Jan 25 2009 12:23AM
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t_rob
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The 85% shows that even a margin of error didn't decide the winner. I was biased towards pk because I knew shit like this would happen, [CLAIM]i roomed with him at mt. snow NS he almost crashed my car[/CLAIM] and his run was sicker anyway. (everything else has already been said)
Jan 25 2009 12:25AM
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Broha-X-Press
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same thoughts as soon as he threw that...sooo gay 

this can start as a petition

Jan 25 2009 12:29AM
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jibbpeter
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Jan 25 2009 12:31AM
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Shark.
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peoplee use this, get our opinions out
Jan 25 2009 12:35AM
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bpalmer
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bunch of kids in another thread...
Jan 25 2009 12:36AM
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pretzels
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You're joking. Please, send me a PM and tell me you're joking. Do you understand the concept of poor sportsmanship?

Overall thoughts on the competition:

The competition was laughable. Dumont, Jon, Jacob, and PK clearly know that. Although Dumont did not say the words, "COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT" he should have, as it would have been the proper response. However, Dumont did come up to Jon on national TV and say, "hey man, I don't make the rules" clearly implying that he too realizes the ridiculousness of the event.

Dumont's dub font was dope. Yes it was done 40 years ago. Yes he stomps it in every video segment and big air/slope competition. Yes kids in Mammoth stomp dub fronts just as steezy as Dumont. However, he knew the competition was garbage from the beginning, he knew how to please the crowd, and he knows how to impress sponsors, get his name out there and blah blah blah. To him, this is a business and if I knew a trick like that would get another gold medal around my neck, I would have stomped a crowd pleaser too. Nevertheless, he is a professional athlete and by performing the same two tricks every big air or slopestyle competition, he is about as impressive as Dan Quayle and George Bush holding a press conference on the topic of rhetoric.

PK's tricks were two of the best double corks ever performed. PK, Jacob, and Clarke completely own the doubles game and I cannot thank these athletes enough for pushing the sport and tweaking grabs in tricks that few people dare to try. Mad props. PK, if you're reading this, you know you should have won. Clarke, if you're reading this, you should have been in X-games, after all, along with having an absurd dub cork and ridiculous style, you look like Luke Skywalker and people loves star wars.

Furthermore, since when are switch dub 9s and 10s referred to as OLSSON FLIPS? Although I am not certain, I think Jacob, Jossi, Cobly, Kenworthy, Mike Riddle, Bobby Brown, Schiller, Wallisch, and PK have stomped switch double rodeo 9s and 10s with better grabs and more style. So, why can't the trick be called the Wallisch flip? or the Schiller flip? Can anyone tell me the original name of this trick? Did Jon even invent it or did some other rider at JOI or JOSS stomp it first? Way to be unique, Jon.

Spark notes:

1) to the post above, please learn the definition of sportsmanship
2) The judging was bullshit
3) Dumont’s dub front is sick
4) Dumont needs a new bag of tricks, and is losing respect
5) PK and dub corks with solid grabs are the future
6) Jon, please don't rename tricks two or three years after you, or anyone else lands them




Jan 25 2009 12:36AM
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blackoutbill
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True this. The look on his face looked like he thought his winning was total b.s. I'm completely against the whole texting to vote. Complete popularity contest bull shit.
Jan 25 2009 1:08AM
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DaLiNeRiDEr21
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i havent watch the clip yet but i will......i hate that text to win shit drives me crazy.all the wannabes text those superstar and give none to the ams that throw down
Jan 25 2009 1:18AM
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Elg
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The fact that he knew he had to throw a crowd pleasing trick to win, and then actually doing just that, is what is soo dumb about this whole situation. If he knew that all he had to do was to throw something the crowd would like, he shouldn't do that. How about playing it fair, and actually throwing something difficult like the 3 other competators?
Jan 25 2009 1:23AM
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mtvtut
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it was hardly corked at all. its sad to call it an actual double cork. it was really more like a switch 12 that was corked out in the end of the rotation. granted it was a sick trick and still better then dumonts double front.


Jan 25 2009 1:26AM
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Scoszko
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I agree with getting rid of text voting.  The judges are skewed most of the time too, but they at least watch the jumps before voting.  Dumont could have won with a straight up 3 and a mute grab.
Jan 25 2009 1:46AM
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PhaedeD
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i am upset right now.
Jan 25 2009 2:02AM
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DJAK
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Regardless of your opinion, it boils down to:

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Simon = Smart b/c winning is preffered.

Jan 25 2009 2:04AM
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