Hipster - The dead end of western civilization.

such a stupid fucking artical.

just because i like Bob Dylan and The Small Faces and White Williams and wearing tight pants and flannel i am hated. i find it ridiculous.

yeah just some jealous d-bag who probably listens to "hipster" music in the first place.

idk, i see what hes saying sort of

yeah couldnt agree with you more. i actually only started getting called a "hipster" when 14 year old girls jumped on the fuckin band wagon and started getting into this shit. they dont even know its from music culture. they just think, MGMT and Katy Perry are soooo underground. and its retarded. its like there are people who've been doing this for years and who just got fucked over by the commericalism.

to be honest, its the same thing that happened to the punk movement in 2003. with all the pink and black and stupid studs and shit. i just cant wait for this to be over.

well, i guess i agree. my problem really is more with high school (or younger) kids getting involved in trends that dont mean anything to themselves.

i think the point of the article isn't really hating on "hipsters".  the point of the article is soo much more about the collective mentality of people today.  it's about the defeatist attitude carried by people who refuse to label themselves as any thing.  the quote about beat boys being proud to be beat boys rings strong.  they take a stance.

the part about the person asking to be photographed while looking nonchalant  goes even further.  the culture that the article is pointing to isn't really hipsters, but people as a whole.  it's like the youth has raised a collective white flag.  nobody gives a shit, and not giving a shit is the new cool.

it's not about the music hipsters listen too, it's not about the clothes they wear, it's about the fact that a new nihilist defeatist attitude has taken over.

i mean look at hippies.  i fucking hate hippies, but they went out and made a stand.  they said fuck war, do drugs, and do each other.  the only thing hipsters stand for is being seen. 

anthony borownowski really let me down with his response to this article.  he said

"And the point he makes that hipsters aren't contributing anything... just absorbing culture from the past. Are you kidding me? Did the hippies ever do anything? Seriously. Most people who were hippies in the 60's now drive SUV's, have a massive home, and are worried about stockpiling as much wealth as possible. A hipster is just dressing up, getting wasted and having fun. Hippies were so much worse. Pretending to be serious and actually making a difference in the world while all they were doing was getting stoned and having sex. At least the hipster knows that they don't matter, and aren't living a lie. It's their job to consume and at least they do it well."

like i said, i fucking hate hippies, and people sell out, but really should our main concern be dressing up and getting wasted?  not going to lie, that's most of what i do, most of the time, but i really don't think it's my job to consume.  in fact that's the worst thing i could be doing is consuming everything i want all the time, and not giving a shit.  that's sucking any meaning right out of life, and becoming material.  all while looking ratty. 

i love ant, and he does a lot of good things, but i just thought that wasn't the right attitude. not at all.  people do need to care.  giving up isn't going to make things better.  getting a new president isn't going to make things better.

 giving a shit is.

pretty much agree, clothes or shit doesnt really matter, caring about the world and giving a shit about life is the main issue. but thats transecendent in many different cultures, not just hipster culture. young people as a whole dont really seem to care about global issues and even local issues, only being seen and making enough money for their vanities.  people as a whole need to open their eyes to real issues.

i don't see the difference between hipsters and any of the other generic cliques we have today. i don't see any point in writing an article about them either. it's like one form of stupidity is trying to combat the other.

it's about being a genuine person in my opinion. there are hipsters that are genuine people, and metal kids who are genuine, and punks, and whatever else. it doesn't matter what your subculture is, you can be a follower/consumer/etc or you can do what you do genuinely...that's what I think the guy is complaining against, people who aren't really anything, have no substance or belief.

Labels piss me off.

This whole "hipsters can be recognized my these actions...". I dont like it. People are given these labels and then you see someone dressed like it, and you label them for what they arn't.

Me and my friends dress like them

Anyone else find it ironic that the hipster magazine, Adbusters, wrote this? Self-loathing hipsters?

I never finished.

Me and my friends dress like them but we dont act like them, then city folk or others critize that. Fuck parties at clubs, fuck acting vintage and Fuck that 'underground" music.

I'm not giving my friends labels, we do what we do, wear what we wear, and listen to what we like. None of this follow the trends or party with other "hipsters".

Yes, I wear flannel, skinny jeans and fake sunglasses. But I wear it cause I like it. No clue that it followed a trend. It may seem like it, but no, I'm not. I am against all trends or subcultures. I'll wear wjat I can get a hold of.

So let the hipsters die off. I don't care about peoples thoughts.

I'm wearing an oversized flannel with cotton spandex right now

I wore skinny jeans, an american apparel shirt, and a keffiyah, or usually known as a fucking scarf, just yesterday

I love the random beats and mixes that my dj friends make, and I love going to clubs that they're at

Fixed gear bikes intrigue me, I love the fluid style they have

Oh, and I have a DSLR, which automatically makes me fucking AWESOME! (sarcasm)


Guess I'm a hipster. Label me or not, I don't fucking care. The clothes are comfortable, I like supporting my friends and their music, any type of sport intrigues me, and I don't carry my camera around like a badge and take pictures of my friends partying

People who say they hate hipsters, or hesh kids, or punk kids, or metal heads, or 'preps', are fucking lame. Give everyone a chance, no matter what their outwards appearance is. Obviously, if you get to know them and still don't like them, then fuck it. Guaranteed there were a few of you that hated me after those statements above just because they're stereotypical hipster shit, and I bet there's a few that still hate me now even after my explanation

Whatever, who the fuck cares. Be yourself, dress how you want, and fuck whoever is going to judge you for that. They're not worth your time

its saying you dont care and "who the fuck cares" thats not helping us.

i re-read the article and i see what the writers getting at. i read this a long time ago and i hadnt really thought about it until now, but i agree with him. hipsters or trendsters or trendy kids or fixie enthusiasts like myself need to be proud of what we are. i openly say that i am trendy as fuck. i am trendy as fuck!

there are the new fucking kids coming into this who refuse to take the label "hipster" when they perpetuate it so well. its like a guido saying, no no, i just gel my bleached hair this way because it matches my friends who are guidos, but im not a guido. thats retarded.

i am "taking a stand" as a previous poster said and claiming im proud to be a hipster.

I AM TRENDY AS FUCK AND I LOVE IT! FUCK YEEEAAAAHHHHH!

by the way, i ski in tight pants and flannel. soooo im not a half ass about this. im full fledged OG hipsta nation ma'fucka.

its a great artical since i live in a major metro area and have seen this happen.

I said label me as a hipster, I don't care. That label doesn't affect me as a person, whether that's what I'm called or not. I'm proud of my clothes, my likes and dislikes in general, and my music taste

What I got out of this article is that the author is more annoyed with people who follow the 'hipster' lifestyle, yet deny that they ARE hipsters and just go with "fuck society and fuck you". He didn't mention people that fall into the category like you, the previous poster before me, and myself. The ones who just wear the clothes we like and listen to the music we like. Yet, we're still labeled as hipsters. He's also saying that hipsters are all shallow, chauvinistic douchebags. I was trying to get the point across that no matter what label you fall into, you should give everyone a chance. He's saying "fuck hipsters, they're all the same." I'm saying look past the outwards appearance, and get to know someone before you judge them

But that's just my opinion and view of the article and hipsters in general

FUCK

yeah. fuck is cool.

adbuster is just pissed that they aren't as trendy as vice and no one buys their shitty sneakers

yeah, thats what really bugs me too, people think we're all literally carbon fucking copies of each other.

good talk friend.

i don't doubt your hipsterdom. i can tell by the way you keep saying 'who cares' but then you make a post that sounds like you really do care.

typical.

dude i don't hate on hipsters.

but i rock tight pants because i ride bmx, and after a few slams from 10 or more feet up because your damn pants got caught in your chain or wheel is enough to spell out time for a change.

i get called hipster all the time.

i refuse to wear shirts with labels or brands on them and get most of my stuff at truck stops.  people tell me how cool my shit is, and it pisses me off because it's the stupidest shit ever.  who the fuck wears a fucking don't mess with texas  shirt, or owns enough wolf t shirts to get them through two weeks?

the point to me is that fashion, and labels have taken over.  i don't fucking care what you wear.  i don't fucking care what you do.  as long a we ban together and make something better we are ahead.

the point of this article is that the focus of people has shifted sooo far towards the individual, that the revolution, change, and progress are all made for the individual.  so who the fuck cares?

it's a team sport this life, and by further disbanding, based on such things as music and clothes, we're losing.

plato said when the music changes the walls of the city shake.  that part is true.  but really?  when the music goes to null will we to?

the point of the article is this.  it's time to bring back the fire.  it's time to protest the shit we hate, and stick our damn necks out, instead of saying "it's my life".

because dammit, if some people never would have spilled some damn tea...  where would we be today?

yeah man ratty all the way! ive been wearing the same jeans for like the last 7 or 8 months now. and i, like you get all of my clothes from gas stations, truck stops, Wal Mart, Rite Aid and Savers. its cheap shit that you can make look good. and cuz i have tight jeans and flannels people assume i got it all at fucking Urban Outfitters or something. not the case. in Boise people have been wearing flannels for god knows how long now, and now that its just starting to catch on in bigger inner cities and what not its getting stupid.

and i know what youre saying, i have a bunch of like fucking wrangler cowboy shirts and even a shirt with a wolf, bear and eagle on it that says Idaho that i got at a tiny ass gas station in the smallest fucking town in Idaho. thats where this whole look started in my opinion. and if people could get over the commercialism and see that maybe it'd be more accepted. Urban Outfitters and American Apparel and even now Zumiez and shit are making this whole thing a money scandal.

i do think that todays world has made it almost impossible to make a stand against anything. as soon as you try you get beaten down or you just realize theres no fucking hope. its not like the 70s when punks revolutionized music and not like the 60s when the hippies revolutionized well, the world in some ways.

dont think im disagreeing with you though. to make this whole thing worthwhile, we need to find a common cause, but the problem is exactly as you say, everything is geared to being "unique" just like everybody fucking else.

if the whole things about the music, or the fixies which i dearly love or even the fashion, then we need to say it. loud as fuck.

i dunno if this is what youre getting at, and i never did say you hate trendiness, but yeah, these are my thoughts.




by the way, i love NS. felt like adding that in.

^there you go dude.  thats just it.

i live in williamsburg, brooklyn. nuff said.

Hey I like Pabst Blue Ribbon so fuck them.

pbr is delicious and is cheap thats why i drink it

That is an on point response. I couldn't agree more.

you are no hipster

i enjoy sometimes wearing flannels or tight pants.
i enjoy drinking pbr
i enjoy smoking camel wides.

guess i'm hip!

can some1 post what a hipster is supposed to look like? never heard of it

graeme wahn?

Why do people not like hippies? They really don't do anything to hurt others, do they?

i'll take photos of myself in full trend status, post them when im done.

i think people hate them because they arent useful to todays society where hard work and diligence and the want to make money is more important than everything else. as you know, hippies just sit around, burn, drop, laugh, fuck, dress in rad clothes, and basically party and bullshit. the fact that they dont do anything is exactly why they arent appreciated.

i dunno, MY OPINION.

Wow, there is some heat in this thread.

yeah but we're having some excellent NS conversation here. its how NS should be. not: you dumb fucking bitch  you're wrong, i'm right, fuck you i hope you die off you douchebag haha i win. theres no flaming in here, except for a few people.

So are you being rather sarcastic or do you really not like hippies?

I ride my fixed gear bike with Tall Tees and baller shorts... Nuff said do what you like! Fuck the Haters!!

way to keep em guessing

sorry? no, i practically am a hippie. i drop quite often, have more tie dye than a street vendor and im totally vegetarian and cook my own meals.

i was just giving thought as to why people would hate hippies. im able to see both sides of an argument.

why can't people just let us be?

theyre just mad at how god damn trendy we are.

Wow, this is an NSG thread with legitimate replies. Colour me shocked.

I am conflicted about the whole hipster thing. I am not a hipster, not at all, in fact I probably defy categorization aside from 1. academic and 2. skier. So take that for what it's worth re: where this is coming from. However I do own a buffalo check flannel and enjoy listening to a lot of stuff that hipsters also enjoy, and have done since before they started making their mark a few years back.

I think the major issue I have with hipsters is the same thing as with the last trend, or the next: I can't stand a mob mentality. Mobs are stupid and undiscerning, they all do what everyone else is doing and even in the abstract that makes no sense. It's like a giant gag, "You're following me? I was following you!" The unimaginative nature of the world of trends is just incredibly unappealing and unattractive (see: girls wearing tights tucked into their boots).

The other thing is my main friction with the whole thing involves clothing and the fact that hipsters have trendified an entire silhouette, which is now more or less off limits if you don't want to be painted with the same brush. Same with the music. Nobody who actually IS doing their own thing likes a mob gravitating towards them, it's sort of dehumanizing to have a bunch of humanoids making you less and less discernible from a mannequin in an H&M window, like your identity is presumably shaped by others. That and the pretense involved; I've had enough of my brother telling me I don't know how to listen to Sufjan Stevens despite the fact that I have an extensive background in music and an arts degree. I get it. You think you're more artsy and understand things on a deeper level than other people because you belong to a social movement. Excuse me while I gag.

But that's the thing... it doesn't look bad and the music isn't bad. In fact compared to earlier trends, even viewed from the outside, this one's kind of got some things going for it. Sure, just as with every mob, it'll get more and more extreme with people trying harder and harder to exhibit those hipsterish traits and seem more underground than everyone around them, particularly as more and more people join the mob. That's an underlying problem with having a mass consciousness predicated on being different. But the underlying... ethos is the word I guess I want, is not bad. Of Montreal makes some fucking amazing music, Sigur Ros (can't keep up with whether they count as hipster) is one of my favourite bands and Vampire Weekend is pretty good if somewhat self-parodical... I could go on. Clothes that fit a little too tight are preferable to the baggy mess of faded denim, cheap hoody and timberland boots that was popular in the 90s. Facial hair deserved a comeback. And, well, despite what I said before, at least girls in tights are fun to look at. If people are trying to come off as emotionally deeper and more intellectually profound than everyone else, even if it's often superficial, misguided and ridiculously pretentious, sometimes it actually WILL have some real depth and understanding supporting it, and at least there's some taste here, even if it's not always consistent. So it's a lot better than being a frat boy with a tight A&F tee and true religions high fiving your spiky-haired bros because you just felt up some half-silicon skank on the dance floor at AuBar.

What I'm saying is, we could do a lot worse than hipsters, and we have. And we probably will again. So cut them a little bit of slack because given the odds, you're not going to like whatever trend comes next any better than you like this one.

excellent outside viewpoint. and yeah, this thread is the cream of the crop of NS discussion. its nice to see.

and i agree with you, the whole hipster trend started with wearing shit you could find at a truck stop or in a thrift store. its not about buying 80 dollar shirts and looking cool. the stores like H&M which you mentioned are just capitalizing on it and providing a hipster start up kit that will put you back 300 dollars and a lot of respect. now as a trendy kid myself i must say some shit in stores like Urban Outfitters is fucking rad and i wish i could have it, i just dont have that kind of money.

the so called "natural hipsters" or the ones you'll never see in those stores but mysteriously have the hipster look are more like the true root of the trend. to be honest, the real hipsters and fixie riders are more like hippies than they are like fashion gurus. being vegetarian, smoking weed ( not everyone ), buying local beers, riding bikes which created the whole fixie movement, dressing in clothes that arent typically brand name and wearing things that last for along time and are really practical as well as look good. for example carabiners to hold your keys.

and no doubt about it, its a trend. but its more like a renaissance of music, art and fashion in my opinion. people are tired of the same gangsta, emo and hardcore shit we've had for the last 5 to 10 years. and now its becoming bigger and bigger because everyone wants to get in on it.

i dunno, think of us as urban hippies instead of blind trend followers and it works out alot better.

i just lold so hard thank you for that

when will you people stop referring to flannel as a "fashion item"

there's a reason that people outside of the concrete jungle dress the way they do.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50637

i am from Idaho. there is no major city in Idaho. i wear them because they are warm and durable. i said in my post that they are good looking, durable and practical. you lose.

i never referred to flannels as a "fashion item". get rid of those quotations. i said you get them at thrift stores and truck stops. plus, almost anything you can buy in any store can be considered a fashion item.

oh, and what do you mean by "you people" ?