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Freestyle skiing an art?

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k4t13
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Would you consider freeskiing an art? Why or why not?

Should art be restricted to canvases and sheets of music?

Personally... I think it's time to start referring to it as an art. Call the idea gay, but I don't care. We are manipulating gravity the way an artists manipulates colors.

I'd love to hear some thoughts and opinions.
Jan 13 2009 5:54PM
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.SimonB.
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deep stuff coming from a noob. ++++K for you.
Its kind of like an art if you put it that way, but then that would require people to be creative and not many people are that creative in skiing. Not saying that no one is creative in skiing, but the majority of skiers are doing what better skiers are doing.
Jan 13 2009 5:57PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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Its defenetly an art. Gracefully spinning through the air, painting the mountain with tracks.....
Jan 13 2009 5:57PM
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Skiingslikewhoa
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it's a sport just like snowboarding or skateboarding. WTF is wrong with people
Jan 13 2009 5:58PM
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k4t13
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I'm sorry your thinking is so one dimensional.
Jan 13 2009 6:00PM
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sklermang
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hey its Mr. G. from shh
Jan 13 2009 6:02PM
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Atypical
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The act of freestyle skiing its self is not artistic in anyway. Anybody can learn how to do everything the "pros" do. This separates it from traditional art, because art takes heart and creativity.

However, the style and innovation that is poured into the sport as well as the connect to lifestyle and music is very artisitc. Each "good" skier has his or her own personal style that expresses them self. Expression after all is what art is about.

Take eric polard for example. His lifestyle is skiing, but he connects his art into his ski designs and style of skiing. As opposed to a technical mogul skier who can learn how to do everything but has no creative input.


Jan 13 2009 6:03PM
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k4t13
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Well I made this thread for a reason...

Clearly not everyone is agreeing that freeskiing is an art, which I totally predicted being laughed at for even mentioning.

It's just like if everyone drew a circle on a piece of paper... who the hell is impressed with that? Anyone can do that. I think we are falling in the same rut with freeskiing... everyone is just drawing circles on papers, except every year they're making the circles a little bit bigger (bigger tricks).

So what the hell, why are people drawing triangles. Why aren't enough people trying to do something DIFFERENT?

Why is this sport just one giant game of follow the leader? How can we progress it, as a community, so that everyone has more of a personal style and there is more diversity?

I think that is something skiing needs.
Jan 13 2009 6:09PM
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.SimonB.
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Because then you will say "Why are everyone drawing triangles and circles?" And the truth is there is only so much you can do on skis.
Jan 13 2009 6:11PM
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TheButterHashira
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When you combine skiing with photography or cinematography it becomes an art IMO.
Jan 13 2009 6:19PM
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PKalow
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But I still don't think that limit has necessarily been reached, you can look at stuff like hippie killers that very few people can do well. I think there's still plenty of things to do out there that nobody has gotten outside of the "circle" enough to try.
Jan 13 2009 6:19PM
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Calb3rt
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you can do anything you want on skis. your only limitation is your mind. you will never be able to do something if you keep telling yourself you cant do it.
Jan 13 2009 6:20PM
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Drail
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Skiing is my art, and untouched pow is my canvas.


skiing is my art, and a freshly groomed park is my canvas



(take either one, i like both).


really though - of course skiing is an art. if it wasn't than we wouldn't have full on arguments about the judging after every pro comp.
Jan 13 2009 6:24PM
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mmmmm...Pie
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So you're saying if I put on my skis and jump off a skyscraper, I'll be able to fly? All I have to do is BELIEVE IN MYSELF?!

Jan 13 2009 6:24PM
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k-rob
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it's a pastime, and at the very most it's a sport. people who call sports "art" are a little loopy imo (think John Madden).

Jan 13 2009 6:25PM
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Calb3rt
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you consider that skiing?
Jan 13 2009 6:30PM
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k-rob
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people who think they can do anything they want as long as they "believe" end up killing themselves or being put into mental hospitals. the laws of physics, etc. still apply no matter what you believe. i guarantee you, no matter how much a skier believes they can drop a 16,000 foot cliff or spin a 1245690, they can't do it. belief is a way of blinding yourself from the truth. knowing your limits is the only way to set achievable goals.
Jan 13 2009 6:36PM
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chewy15
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i really like the idea of manipulating gravity/snow. i guess all passion can be an art

Jan 13 2009 6:37PM
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k4t13
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Exactly! I totally agree with you.

I would love to see a whole new revolution is skiing with a sick new way of doing things. You just have to think outside the box. Skis are nothing more than elongated, slippery feet... there really are no limits.

I wonder... ask a skier - if they could go off a jump once and do a trick and know for a fact that no matter what they are immune from injury, what would they try? Probably it's going to just be whatever they do, but bigger and badder.

Ask a gymnast the same question, but instead add in that they will be jumping off a cliff and their feet are really long... but basically they have x amount of time to do whatever they want in the air and land on their feet. I bet they'll come up with something a lot more unusual, stylistic and creative. And it's not because they ARE more creative, but they don't have the same block we have, and that block is the media and trying to be JUST LIKE the pros.
Jan 13 2009 6:41PM
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SESCrew
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Ok, if you really imagined, im sure every one of you guys could imagine skiing as an art ''gracefully spinning through the air'' wtf? ok most skiiers in our local mountains arn't inovative, if they all were, then go ahead, call it an art. But instead, they go and copy the inovative tricks the pros are throwing. The ones that are inovative get sponsored, the others, do what the sponcered ones do.
Jan 13 2009 6:50PM
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Calb3rt
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i believe is pushing the limits and if that kills me then i accept that. im not even going to begin this argument. believe what you want, set your limits, have fun doing it.
Jan 13 2009 6:50PM
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k-rob
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but the fact of the matter remains, nobody is immune from injury, so nobody is going to accomplish the things that they might do IF they were immune from injury. so unless you've got the antidote for reality, i think most of us are going to continue living under it's boundaries. by all means, dreamers can keep on dreaming, but in the end that's all they're ever going to do.
Jan 13 2009 6:50PM
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Drail
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you guys are talking like artists don't pull from each other. you guys really think that all the painters in the world are original? give me a break.
Jan 13 2009 7:00PM
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.Asain-Skiier
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reminds me of a gaper quote
he moves with such fluid and grace
Jan 13 2009 7:01PM
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lotsoffun
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i don't think so.

if we don't put a limit on what art is and can be, pretty soon art is going to be everything.

i don't feel like theres enough expression in skiing for it to be an art form, it is a very creative sport, but it's not limitless.

but then i guess can you really define art? and that's just a whole nother conversion.

so say what you will, but in my eyes art is music, photography, videography, and other stuff
Jan 13 2009 8:19PM
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AptosFreeskier
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This seems very rediculous. People aren't following the leader. They are progressing the tricks they want to. If you are talking about "spin to win" you are looking at a very small group of skiers who are doing that.

Why is everyone so upset at how skiing is? They want it to be called this, but not called that. If you think skiing should be called "art" or it shouldn't be called "freeskiing" why don't you stop? If you care so much about skiing's "image" you have lost track about what skiing is all about.
Jan 13 2009 8:29PM
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GreenStezz
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no.................
Jan 13 2009 8:30PM
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skiP.E.I.
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Skiing is definitely an outlet for creativity. I wouldn't really call it "art", but for something to be art, not everyone has to think it is. And to the guy that said we shouldn't call everything art, imho, anything can be art if it is beautifully done, has a concept/purpose and a degree of technical skill.
Jan 13 2009 8:33PM
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Dobies.
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its creative, but not an art. Art is for drawing, modeling clay, and painting. cant compare to you there
Jan 13 2009 8:35PM
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Colt45er
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Based on my surroundings when skiing and reactions..... skiing seems to be along the lines of a natural art, a active form of expression and style.  When you see an amazingly unique styled trick, the person doing it controls the look and natural flow of the trick like stylistics.  When you look at the mountain with rocks, logs, gaps, and you see the possibility of jibbing objects it becomes a thought of how many ways you can jib that object and perform on it, coming together as a mark on whatever you feel.

When film, music, and the natural gist of skiing come together they influence you with style. almost a mirror on how it would look when you skiing to the musical arts (vibes mood music) and feeding off of that and creating you own. your own style is your gift, people get impressed, amazed, influenced, fluent, and a release when they watch the sport of skiing and all of those seem to be reactions of an art form, think of all the different motions you can create with your body, a thing that is unique about skiing is that the art of a trick cannot be repeated with the same motion, its ONE, and every ONE trick is different. besides the repetition of film, that trick is truly yours, all of your energies, and vibes at that time is what made your trick look the way it did.

 
Jan 13 2009 8:41PM
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Colt45er
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you can interpret it any way you would like i guess, but thats my message to think about
Jan 13 2009 8:44PM
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Malcolm
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to me it becomes an art when people start doing innovative tricks or add their own style. art is supposed to be one of a kind

Jan 13 2009 8:48PM
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MadSteezin
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HAHAHA! You shut that square little fucker down!
Jan 13 2009 10:35PM
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Pee_and_Ski
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freeskiing is not an art, or a sport.. it is better and deeper that either of thouse two. i know it will soun cheasy as heck but skiing is almost a religion. Its what we all do to get away form the real world.

or you can say what my boss has been saying all week "skiings not a sport its a life sentince" 

Jan 13 2009 10:41PM
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[~_~]
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Skiing can be whatever you want it to be.

It can be a competitive sport or an aesthetic outlet. This whole question is much too broad.
Jan 13 2009 11:09PM
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PhilboydStudge
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took the words out of my mouth. and typed them out when i was too lazy haha
Jan 13 2009 11:16PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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boom ha.. totally agree. Skiing is an art cause it simply allows you to express yourself. I've always thought of skiing as more than a sport, its a lifestyle. It defines the music I like to listen to, the friends I have, and the people I relate with. Its all I think about.
Jan 13 2009 11:31PM
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t_rob
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People look up to pros because they are their role models. They see what they do and are in awe. There isn't anything wrong with that. They see pros as an eden, showing love and dedication for the sport that they want to achieve. Some skiers don't devolop personal styles becasue they just want to be other skiers. They are content skiing the way they do. Is happiness why we ski or to be different? I ski to be happy. Does it matter if you ski to express your own personal style? I don't think so.

Oh, and if you want to discuss creativity and progression in skiing through the big dogs eyes, you should have been at the riders meeting at the dew tour slope. Then you would know how pros feel. I don't think you are giving pros enough credit for what they try to do.


Jan 13 2009 11:32PM
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treesmann
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nah. skiing is a sport. for most people it is a hobby or a recreational activity. for most actuve users on NS, it is more a lifestyle than anything else
Jan 13 2009 11:38PM
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LIL_WAT
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YES! +k.
Jan 13 2009 11:53PM
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tride
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Bullshit, not every mogul skier is trying to copy a certain technique. All of the great mogul skiers created their own signature techniques - Edgar Grospiron, Sergei Shupletsov, Jean-Luc Brassard, Johnny Mo, Janne, Dale, etc etc.


Jan 14 2009 12:36AM
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quebecfreestyler
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yes

no

could be


not at alll

maybe


 in your dream

i trhink it is.


It all comes down to personnal perception.

I,ve seen skiing as an art since I saw how it could'nt be judged correctly.

 it's just a way to express yourself when you get to a certain level and you can get rid of the technicality.

Jan 14 2009 1:32AM
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Literature
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Damnit, it's called HOTDOGGING. Not freeskiing.

Haven't you seen this thread? https://www.newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/433296/

If dance is an art, then hotdogging is too. Personally, I don't care what it's called, it's my lifestyle, and that's all the classification that I need.
Jan 14 2009 1:58AM
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skithe49th
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skiing is like crack...addicting

is crack artsy....TYRONE BIGGUMS
Jan 14 2009 3:51AM
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JPFortier
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It's a sport......... Yes, it is creative... but everything can involve creativity and not everything is Art.
Jan 14 2009 5:59AM
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JPFortier
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And Art is not about making circle... Jesus.
Jan 14 2009 6:02AM
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sklermang
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this one
Jan 14 2009 7:32AM
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skiP.E.I.
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I disagree that anyone can learn to do what the pros do. It does take a lot of athletic ability that some people just don't have, but they might have as much talent in some other area. I would say that is like saying "anyone can learn to play basketball professionally", which just isn't true. Some people have faster reflexes, better body proportions, better vision...etc. which make them extremely good at basketball, and the same with skiing. The genetic difference between very athletic people and others is incredibly miniscule, but that tiny amount makes all the difference.
Jan 14 2009 8:24AM
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jmason
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I'd say that freestyle skiing itself is not an art so much as it is a sport, but one's individual style could be considered an art... as it is unique and personal
Jan 14 2009 12:40PM
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Broha-X-Press
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Thats exactly what was said even 5 years ago, but look at what has happened.  Things will progress whether it be adding new dimensions to old tricks or someone out there actually creates a new trick/grab/whatever.

As for it being an "art" o think it is.  I don't know why but i feel like sking just looks so good in the right light.  I look at it the same and artist might look at a pianting

My $0.02

Jan 14 2009 4:51PM
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