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Shakespeare vs. Tolkien

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three60mute
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personally i thing Tolkien is greater, he uses artistic language but his stories still sound real
whereas shakespeares stuff was way too flowery and long, kinda fake too because people don't talk for 5 minutes straight, flowery words should be saved for poems i think,

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Dec 10 2003 2:05PM
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J.D.
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Not comparable, two totally different things. You can't say one was better than the other, except that Shakespeare obviously had more influence. I'd rather be reading Tolkein, but that doesn't necessarily make it better literature.
Dec 10 2003 2:07PM
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i actually can't believe i just read this...but i CAN believe how much of a moron you are!

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Dec 10 2003 2:11PM
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Lord_Piot
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Dec 10 2003 2:24PM
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JayDC7
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Dec 10 2003 2:36PM
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Ski-hobo
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whats your point Yeti.


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Dec 10 2003 2:55PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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its tough to compare a writer from the renaissance/early baroque with one from the twentieth century... cmon now... thats like comparing bach to ravel. or eh, the beatles to radiohead... sorta... you really cant. they speak entirely different languages, and speak to entirely different purposes and audiences. no comparison possible!










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Dec 10 2003 2:58PM
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ThisAngelicRage
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I do like Tokien a lot more though, I mean he created a whole world for his stories. But yeah I don't think the two can really be well compared.





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Dec 10 2003 3:10PM
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Mad_Trix540
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obvously tolkien is a better writer, his books were actually meant to be read. unlike shakespeare, he would be pissed that people are reading his PLAYS like novels. tolkein is also better because normal people actually enjoy his literature, where as normal people cant stand shakespeare.


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Dec 10 2003 5:52PM
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Krongos
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its all opinion

i like tolkien better
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Dec 10 2003 6:00PM
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LastNightISavedAnAngel
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apples and oranges dude, its all apples and oranges

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Dec 10 2003 6:31PM
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Ski-hobo
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and FYI, baroque is a musical term


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Dec 10 2003 7:08PM
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three60mute
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actually i was thinkin after i posted this that u cant compare the two but thatd be cool if they were both alive and had a writing contest
they were both very smart though, geniuses of their time
but id rather read a tolkien book than a shakespeare play

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Dec 10 2003 7:19PM
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chris_01
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well of course most people would prefer to read tolkien, how many of us speak in old english and iambic pentameter these days?
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Dec 10 2003 7:34PM
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Mad_Trix540
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shakespeare is boring unimaginative shit. tolkien is a billion times more creative. he would win a writing contest against shkespeare any day.


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Dec 10 2003 7:34PM
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LastNightISavedAnAngel
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Shakespeare was a playwrite, Tolkien was a story teller. i agree both were geniuses for their times. the stuff that Shakespeare wrote wasnt shit, it jsut takes a hell of alot more to understand and interpert his works. you have to remember that he was writing his plays LONG before Tolkien was even born.

although, id much rather read a book written by Tolkien

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Dec 10 2003 8:08PM
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J.D.
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Anyone who's hacked their way through the Silmarillion even once can tell you that it's no cakewalk, not light reading. If that was written in Shakespearean english it'd be even tougher to sort through than the Bard's plays. Maybe it already is.
Dec 10 2003 8:37PM
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Gregg
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I will NOT allow mysel to picture the Silmarillion written in Elizabetan English using iambic pentameter and ending with rhyming couplets.


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Dec 10 2003 10:28PM
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TAK
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Tolkien!?! What the fuck are you smoking, comparing that with Shakespeare? Are you really that big an idiot? I hate to flame you, but goddam, why not compare R.L. Stein to Dostoevsky well you're at it. Or Stephen King to Hermann Hesse?

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Dec 10 2003 11:29PM
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TAK
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''the stuff that Shakespeare wrote wasnt shit, it jsut takes a hell of alot more to understand and interpert his works''

''shakespeare is boring unimaginative shit. tolkien is a billion times more creative. he would win a writing contest against shkespeare''

What fuck are you talking about? You think Shakespeare is nothing but over-crafted linguistic showmanship? Ahgg...


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Dec 10 2003 11:43PM
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J.D.
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^ OK, obviously they're wrong in those quotes you point out, but you might be erring on the side of GROSS FUCKING HYPERBOLE when you say that this is like comparing Dostoyevsky to RL stine. Holy Jesus, never compare Tolkein to that thing again.
Dec 10 2003 11:47PM
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LastNightISavedAnAngel
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tabernac TAK, maybe you dont have trouble understanding Shakespeare, but i dont get any of it without somebody to explain it word for word, or Coles notes handy.

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Dec 11 2003 12:22AM
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J.D.
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^ Oh come on, its not THAT bad, you just need to read more of it.
Dec 11 2003 12:26AM
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hotdog.garbage
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Shakespeare= the people who wrote for him. or so it has been said.



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Dec 11 2003 12:55AM
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LastNightISavedAnAngel
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yeah, ive read 4 plays, and still dont get it. im more of a logistics kinda guy as opposed to linguist. my word bank sucks

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Dec 11 2003 1:01AM
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J.D.
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Well obviously if you're not big on language, there's not much point in reading it. You can still see them live though, and enjoy them. I always understood them better live when I wasnt so good at reading them. And hey, I dont get opera half the time (partially because of dumb plots) but I really like those.
Dec 11 2003 1:41AM
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Mad_Trix540
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^ your a fucking nerd.


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Dec 11 2003 4:26PM
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J.D.
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^ Fuck off, bitch. I'm sorry you think it's a bad thing to actually have a brain. Go fuck yourself, you can work in a drive thru if you want, but don't bitch at people who actually have a chance at making a good living. Go to school. Shithead.
Dec 11 2003 4:41PM
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Krongos
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yeah mad trix, that was ignorant as fuck, also shakespeare isnt that hard to get
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Dec 11 2003 5:27PM
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shibby
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if i can remember right tolkein didnt write the whole silmarrilion i think he died before he finished so his son did the rest.

anyways i'd rather read tolkein



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Dec 11 2003 5:43PM
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TAK
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Reading plays? Uhh, I thought plays were made to be watched not read? Maybe you should try watching a play instead of reading one.
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Dec 11 2003 11:35PM
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J.D.
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^Nothing wrong with reading them. But I did mention this. Still it's hard to find the production you want to see sometimes, so you can just read the script. I always have to end up doing that with Tom Stoppard plays, R+G are Dead might just be my favourite play ever. Mamet is also good as 20th century types go...
Dec 12 2003 12:39AM
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hotdog.garbage
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R and G are dead is a great play



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Dec 12 2003 1:13AM
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1080enemy
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I can't beleive this is actually being discussed. Of course most of us enjoy reading tolkein better. we were basically his target audiance. shakespeare wrote plays. you go and watch them. they are much better live, than when they are read in class or wherever you were forced to read them. My brain hrts, I'm going to bed.
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Dec 12 2003 2:32AM
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wntrwill
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Shakespeare was an amazing writer, Hamlet is my favorite piece of literature I have ever read in my life. So much of his work is just so deep and incredibly smart its amazing. That play has had more impact on my life than anything else. Maybe you guys should read a little more Shakespeare and put away your first two movies of LOTR for a bit.
Dec 12 2003 2:49AM
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TAK
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...and quit being such dorks. Stupid melodramatic short people with fucked up ears in ugly clothes.
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Dec 12 2003 6:29AM
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ECFS-Attitash
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''shakespeare is boring unimaginative shit. tolkien is a billion times more creative. he would win a writing contest against shkespeare''

^^that is a ridiculous statement. madtrix, you are clearly unable to grasp the multiple plots in shakespeare that are not immediately apparent to the reader. if you were a better reader you might appreciate shakespeare a little more.
Dec 12 2003 6:58AM
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Mad_Trix540
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your right, im clearly an idiot who cannot grasp plots.




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Dec 12 2003 4:14PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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i like tolkien a lot more. Shakespeare bores me. His plots are boring to me. But thats just my opinion.

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Dec 12 2003 4:53PM
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shakespeare can suck my left nit
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Dec 12 2003 6:29PM
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dilla_says_go
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shakespeare's work was literally art. tolkien wrote some great stories, but his word usage and literary elements dont compare to shakespeare. apples and oranges bro.
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Dec 12 2003 6:36PM
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FreshCoast
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There is actually a reason you are REQUIRED to read Shakespeare in high school. Shakespeare is on a completly different level.
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Dec 12 2003 7:07PM
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J.D.
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^Er, theres a hell of a lot of good literature that isn't even talked about in high school. Just cause they don't teach it doesn't mean it's inferior.
Dec 12 2003 7:13PM
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FreshCoast
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Of course there is other great literature you don't read, but pretty much everyone reads Shakespeare, simply because it some of the finest literature ever written. Tolkien may be a great author, he wrote entertaining novels and his works should not go unnoticed, but does not reach the level of Shakespeare.
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Dec 12 2003 7:34PM
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Tolkien is a terrible writer. Good story teller, but a bad writer.
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Dec 12 2003 7:44PM
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guitarman
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tolkien made an entire language for his books. A great writer.
Dec 12 2003 7:51PM
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J.D.
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^^ Not true at all, he's both. As well as writing what may well be the greatest STORIES ever (note i didn't say literature), He's also one of the most well respected literary critics in history. Some of his works on Beowulf and norse mythology (which greatly infulenced his own work) are widely regarded as the best ever written.
Dec 12 2003 7:55PM
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TAK
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Really? Well then I should look in to that.

But I still hate the perverse amount of severity invested in everything that is LOTR.
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Dec 12 2003 8:25PM
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J.D.
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^Er... not too sure that made sense. What do you mean, severity?
Dec 12 2003 8:29PM
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freeride1260
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we are reading romeo and juliet in englisha and it is way to confusing for me.... definately tolkien
Dec 12 2003 8:55PM
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Lord_Piot
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we are reading romeo and juliet in englisha and it is way to confusing for me


what are you fucken stupid?
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