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Whats with all the hate on Marker Griffons?

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Krook3d
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This year i decided to go with a pair of Griffons on my Hellbents,and a pair on my Extremes. I'm around 5'9" and weigh 155 and ive used my Hellbents twice and my Extremes like 4 times and i've been hearing lots of crazy talk about griffons. Is it just me? I havent had one problem with them yet and they've held up super sick on basically everything,and i keep hearing "shitty plastic",and from what ive heard,The only difference between the griffon and jester,is the heel piece and the toe wings are composite,and the jesters are metal,din to 12 other then 16,and thats basically it. Am i right? Cause i guess it just might be me cause everyone thinks they suck,which they dont,so maybe buy the bindings and use them before you make crazy accusations.

Dec 23 2008 11:43PM
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MEGAZORD
Posts: 4531 - Karma: -8
I hate both equally.  They are composed of mostly plastic parts with a super narrow mounter pattern, despite what marker says, any of the other bindings (px, any salomon) all have wider patterns. 
Dec 23 2008 11:47PM
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steezyme
Posts: 212 - Karma: 10
Salomon has the best toe on the market. Best contact zones and best warranty which is 5 years.
Dec 23 2008 11:51PM
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Krook3d
Posts: 240 - Karma: 21
Um no,they are designed for fat skis with a minimum width underfoot of 76,and they are wider then salomon and rossignol.
Dec 23 2008 11:54PM
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skisquaw@420
Posts: 1802 - Karma: 13
i asked a marker rep about this, and he said it wasnt the mount pattern that mattered, it was the contact points from the housing.
Dec 24 2008 12:01AM
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skisquaw@420
Posts: 1802 - Karma: 13
actually, look has the best toe on the market. salomon does have the best contact zones, but they all brake relatively easily, and what good is a 5 year warrantee if they keep replacing solid bindings with crappy plastic ones?
Dec 24 2008 12:03AM
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EClay46
Posts: 2499 - Karma: 69
ha, you must be kidding me. the jester has a way wider mounting pattern than the px/axial binding, i cant speak for the salomon but i doubt it is much wider than the jester if it is wider at all. along with having a pretty wide mounting pattern, it also has a very long distance from back holes to front holes. i ride them on my obsetheds and they have worked great on every thing, the one problem ive had was pulling out the binding casing a 60 foot jump and landing sideways, the only reason for the pullout was the back screw was stripped and i weigh about 200 pounds. and i ski pretty fast and hard all mountain and ive had no trouble yet. also no pre releasing. come to think of it, i came out of my bindings 2 times. once i came over a roller at about 60 and landed way past the backside of the knoll and landed in the flats. the other i was doing an on ground front flip on my 189s when they were mounted behind core center.

dont talk shit on the jesters.


i will say, salomons toe piece is probably better than the jester toe, but the problem with the salomon toe piece is they have to be maintenenced often because of vibrations loosening the screws
Dec 24 2008 12:07AM
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cobra_commander
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not really related, but i like how one of the big selling points of the marker jester and griffon was the wide mounting pattern, yet both the salomon STH series and the look PX series have wider mounting patterns and AFD's.

shit the Jester/Griffon mounting pattern is bairly wider then the p18 mounting pattern in the heel and way more narrow in the toe.
Dec 24 2008 3:54AM
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coolhandluke
Posts: 4465 - Karma: 153
they are 15 pounds lighter though
Dec 24 2008 4:10AM
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AJizzle
Posts: 1882 - Karma: 522
salomons are way shitty, even the sth 14 has prerelease problems at higher din settings.  The only one that's worth a shit is the 16, the old driver toe piece, oh and there's no fucking way that they're wider than the griffon.
Dec 24 2008 5:02AM
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MEGAZORD
Posts: 4531 - Karma: -8
But this immediately devalues their claim of widest mounting pattern on the market, as well as all of their other bs claims
Dec 24 2008 8:10AM
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coolhandluke
Posts: 4465 - Karma: 153
some binding tech really needs to take a picture of the high end solly, look, and marker mounting jigs.  then measure the holes, and draw over the picture in paint with the dimensions.  it would empirically end all questions/hate/spam/love/joy associated with "who has the widest mounting point".
Dec 24 2008 10:20AM
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Fish_Sandwich.
Posts: 9108 - Karma: 16
Who the fuck cares, I love my Jesters.  They work fine for me, if I wanted to go out and huck 80 foot cliffs and ski 70+ mph in the AK I'd get some FKS, but I don't do that, so I got Jesters, for pretty cheap. 
Dec 24 2008 1:59PM
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smuggs
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that is absurd. the p18s heel has 4 screws in a 1 inch square. no way in hell the jester is barely wider. the jester is a ton wider than the p18 heel
Dec 24 2008 5:47PM
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fresshhhh
Posts: 792 - Karma: 9
lets not forget you can buy a wider mounting pattern version of the px and p series
Dec 24 2008 6:00PM
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MEGAZORD
Posts: 4531 - Karma: -8
I will do this.  I will drill a shitty old ski with all the bindings.
Dec 24 2008 6:24PM
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.Brink.
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Dec 24 2008 6:26PM
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k-rob
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it's just a bandwagon thing really. guarantee most of the hate is coming from people who have never even clicked into griffs, they just heard from somebody who heard from somebody else who heard from some guy on the internet who heard from some guy who used to work for marker etc. i have never had a problem with marker bindings but everywhere you go you here people talking shit on marker as if the bindings will blow up the second you point your tips downhill.
Dec 24 2008 6:30PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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Thank you! I love my Griffons, they are really light and never release when my old crappy bindings would.
Dec 24 2008 7:17PM
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Balto
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i to love marker. i have been racing on them for years and my 14 frees are bomb proof. but i have personaly seen griffons break and in 1 case the toe piece exploded
Dec 24 2008 7:29PM
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kfilenda
Posts: 509 - Karma: 72
I really like my griffons, they are a incredible solid binding,  I can tell you from using them that they are a very nice binding.  And not incredibly expensive.  I do not seem to have a problem with them.
Dec 24 2008 11:43PM
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0123456789
Posts: 9226 - Karma: 148
probally the one time im gona agree with ya k-rob.

i love my jesters, i couldnt give 2 shits if the px series is .02 mm wider in teh toe and heel, my jesters are great, and its just people who wish they didnt have old ass rossi junior bindings that start that shit.
Dec 25 2008 12:20AM
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hedgehog
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what does the AFD do ? the one on my griffons broke last week...
Apr 5 2009 8:25PM
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0123456789
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it lets you release when you need to, AKA replace it before using tehm again.
Apr 5 2009 8:34PM
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MEGAZORD
Posts: 4531 - Karma: -8
Anti-Friction Device.
Apr 5 2009 9:47PM
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Silence
Posts: 16030 - Karma: 150
Absolutely necessary.
Apr 5 2009 9:56PM
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ShredtillURdead
Posts: 2024 - Karma: 93
i think the bandwagon is going the other way...soooo many people are jumping on the new marker bus because Line and K2 riders are forced to use them....do you really think andy mahre and pep would rather use a jester then a P18???  maybe jesters are somewhat legit, but there is NO WAY a griffon will ever equal a FKS or Pseries clamp.  i dont need to ride them to know this.  plastic vs. metal....what will hold up better?  hmmm.....
Apr 5 2009 9:57PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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but what if the person wasnt as much caring weather his binding will last an extra month and the consumer was actually looking at how safe and predictable the releases were? i havent owned jesters or griffins and im quite happy with my old deadbolts but from the pairs i've seen on my friends, i would deffinatly look at griffins or jesters. you cant keep comparing bindings to old outdated pivot heel bindings.
Apr 5 2009 10:10PM
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Silence
Posts: 16030 - Karma: 150
They still release as reliably as ever. Until they stop indemnifying the P-series or FKS bindings then there is no reason to believe that they won't release with confidence.
Apr 5 2009 10:13PM
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ShredtillURdead
Posts: 2024 - Karma: 93
an extra month?  really?????  griffons are breaking left and right and they've been out like...a year...I have a pair of FKS from 5 years ago and a pair from like 15 years ago(Z9s?), both are reliable as hell. 
Apr 5 2009 10:16PM
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Caveman.
Posts: 9067 - Karma: 330
Have you done this yet?
Apr 6 2009 12:06AM
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Caveman.
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Old outdated pivot heels. Serious? FKS was discontinued 2 years ago I think. I still have a pair of P18s from 6 years ago that work fine. I have seen guys rocking Look race stock bindings from the 90s that still work fine. They are not outdated and will probably come back at least in limited production next year.


To the OP, you made a thread with about 4 days on each binding and you are stoked that your Griffons haven't broken yet. Its a year later, how are they doing now? You better bump this thread in 3 years and see if they are still working. It will be an experiment. But you have to ski hard on them. A MINUMUM of 30 days a season them and you must stomp some big jumps and throw them around in bumps then we can talk about them being reliable and durable, when you come back in 3 years.
Apr 6 2009 12:10AM
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MEGAZORD
Posts: 4531 - Karma: -8
Exactly.  Take a look in 3 years and see what bindings are still around.  Look back 3 years and see whats still around today.  fks and 916s are really the only bindings to stand the test or time and abuse.  Just the fact that a single pair lasts long enough to be bought, ridden, sold used, rinse repeat.
Apr 6 2009 12:43AM
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ShredtillURdead
Posts: 2024 - Karma: 93
honestly, its to the point where if i see people with bindings other than FKS, Pseries, or an AT setup, and they ARENT required by a company to use a different binding, i think theyre gapers.   SUPRISE!!!! STHs suck cock too!
Apr 6 2009 12:50AM
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chazz.
Posts: 2721 - Karma: 23
hey i like my sth 16's...
Apr 6 2009 1:14AM
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shortdawg
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^^^yus sth16/14s are bomb. love mine

I've heard good things about Jesters, but my friend broke his Griffons in a week. So yeaaaaahh


Apr 6 2009 1:21AM
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Z_rob
Posts: 3076 - Karma: 152
i dont really know shit about marker, or bindings in general for that matter.
but a lot of my buddies i ride with ski on griffons (like 6 people) not a single complaint yet.
Apr 6 2009 1:26AM
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skyabamba
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woah man no need to be such a downer/ know it all

 haha, so all of us with jesters and sollys are gapers to you?

sure theyre breaking "left and right" its called rumor its not like it happens to everyone.

either your broke, or for some reason you dont buy bindings every often AT ALL ( because you seem so concerned to weather they will last 5 years or not)

or else you must weigh a hell of alot to  to dis on so many different bindings like that.

like theyre all just going to fall apart on us? lol

dont worry, while your still on your 5 year old FKSs, we  all will have gone through a few pairs, of lighter, more baller, up to date bindings than you anyways. you think thats gaper? thats how kids roll these days. if you ask me 5 year old FKSs are gayper. but what the fuck. were talking about BINDINGS here. its not like they matter THAT much, they break, and you replace them, who cares what brand we prefer? i say gtfo for saying certain gear "sucks cock" thats obvously a very strong negative opinion and i dont think any of us wanna hear it.

go rant somewhere else mang

Apr 6 2009 1:46AM
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Silence
Posts: 16030 - Karma: 150
STH16's are an extremely solid binding dude
Apr 6 2009 2:02AM
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buchanan.
Posts: 1911 - Karma: 156
suuuper legit bindings, have them on my pow and park skis. light, strong (in this case they do go together) and YAY 5 SCREW HEELPIECE!
Apr 6 2009 2:31AM
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ShredtillURdead
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jesters are the exception, IMO, the only alpine binding thats worth anything other than FKS/Pseries, and they really arent even close. 

I have skied with griffons and STH14s, and i couldnt even butter hard without releasing...thats unacceptable for a binding.  they are mostly plastic so they WILL break on you at some point when you dont want them to. 

if you have the right binding, there is no reason to buy new bindings for a long long time, unless mommy and daddy shell out 400$ for you to get deadbolts twice a year. 

you pretty much made my point for me...when youve gone through a few pair of plastic, unreliable STHs, Deadbolts, Peak 18s, Griffons, or vists, ill still have my trusty (not noticeably  heavy) metal bindings holding me in better than any of yours ever have.  the right ones DONT and SHOULDNT need to be replaced for years, and its not about brand, its about construction.

i cant speak to STH 16s, but 14s are terrible as a park binding from my thankfully short experience with them...whats the difference in construction?  can they survive 2 or more seasons of 100+ days?

ps....FKS is considered the lightest race stock binding ever made @ 2478 grams (in 155s)

Jesters weigh 2000 grams....not a huge difference...

Apr 6 2009 2:33AM
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skyabamba
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"mommy and daddy"

 ha ha

or you could throw down and know the right people and get (for example) next years hellbents w/ a pair of jesters for 350.  like i got this season. maybe you should huck a lil harder. haha. not very many kids pay full retail price on gear. those are the kids who have "mommy and daddy" paying for their shit.

speaking of daddys, give yours a fuckin hug. mine died not too long ago. whos the funny guy now?
Apr 6 2009 2:53AM
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Silence
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Did you seriously just put Peak18's in the same boat as griffons - hardly comparable man.

STH14/16 are quite different - main difference is the driver toe which is the same as off the older 916. I think the non-driver 14's have a 3 hole toepiece, plus I believe a bit more metal in the 16's as well. They are also lighter than the 155s at just over 2kg for a set

The 16's can take 2 seasons of 100+ days.
Apr 6 2009 2:54AM
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skyabamba
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sorry that was a little INTENSE  of me to say that about my dad.
Apr 6 2009 2:56AM
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Silence
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Yet you still feel the need to claim?

Nice one buddy.
Apr 6 2009 4:37AM
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jibjunkie
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i just think they look too similar too the line reator nuff said
Apr 6 2009 8:22AM
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MEGAZORD
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The only thing the resembles it is the toe.  The whole concept behind the reactor thats you could release sideways out of the heel.  Also it was interchangeable between skis with only 4 screws.
Apr 6 2009 11:03AM
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Caveman.
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Haha just because your supposedly getting a discount on your gear doesnt make you more reliable. I got my Pipe Cleaners for free but that doesn't mean I know more about bindings than you. I honestly dont get why kids think they have to replace functional gear yearly, like bindings. Unless of course you are buying shitty plastic bindings like Griffons, tis, ffgs, etc...
Apr 6 2009 11:45AM
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jibjunkie
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dont forget the dildo heel peices
Apr 6 2009 12:11PM
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skyabamba
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claim what? i was giving an example.

the guy was putting off alot of hate on the thread.


Apr 6 2009 1:19PM
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skyabamba
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did i eveer say i knew everything?


the guy i was quoting is the one being the fucking know it all.

i was just saying we dont all need to hate on eachother and rant about the peices of equipment holding us to our skis. and ALOT of us just replace/resell them after a season anyways.

no i wasnt trying to claim anything nice fuckin try tho, trying to make your self sound smart by DISing me. if anything it makes you look like a douchhhh
Apr 6 2009 1:24PM
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