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Short Ski are the future . . . ?

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soup
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I think so.  I mean yea long skis are great at speed and on groomers but a park ski doesn't necessarily need to excel at that.  Fastest youll ever bee going is into a park jump and that isn't even that fast.  Short skis would be lighter, better swing weight, and be easier for tech tricks like 270's on and switch ups.  Check out these skis on wallisch

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couldnt be more than 165 cm and centre mounted.  look like a snowboard cut in half. So sick.

 Also ns's favourite pirate Cedric Tremblay Fournier (apologies if name is spelt wrong) definately uses short skis his edits prove it time and time again and his tricks are very snowboard oriented and progressive.  Nosepresses and tail presses to spinning out all in his repetoire.

I mean if freeskiing ever wants to have a future i hate to say it but it must move away from its mogul/ariels roots and move towards proper board sports.   lose the poles, ditch the long lengths, and were essentially snowboarders facing forwards. 

Is this the future you see for freeskiing?  Express your thoughts.   
Dec 19 2008 2:04AM
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Roy
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Dude I dont know how small the park jumps you hit are but when your start hitting big stuff your starting to go pretty fast. I'm 5'10 and do not ride anything under a 178, I ride 181 S4's 178 S5's and I have a pair of 185 scratch BC's and I find that for me those are the perfect size skis and I ride park pow and urban
Dec 19 2008 5:58PM
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A.R.
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i love the attitude of 'if the pros are don it, i gotta do it. cause, if they pros are doin it. its gotta be cool' that floats around this website.

chances are that tom was hitting some rails, and a long ski would be harder to manuever with one arm. so he probably just grabbed some small skis, so he could go to the dew tour, play around on a couple rails and hang with the boys.

i cant beleive your taking that picture seriously. givin by the expression on his face he is obvioously just out foolin'
Dec 19 2008 5:59PM
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Casey
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I wasn't sure if I wanted to bump up to 189 from 179 for next year... after seeing this thread am i definitely sure.

Dec 19 2008 6:20PM
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phishfood
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this thread is so full of win.



i'm 6'3'' so any park ski is short on me.
Dec 19 2008 6:27PM
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iluvBread
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holy shit dood its one fucking picture get over it....hes injured its not like he's competing on them.......god the kids on this site are soo fucking gay somtimes
Dec 19 2008 6:36PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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you are so quick to judge. do you feel better about yourself when you write posts like this? im just not clear on what you are trying to accomplish.
Dec 19 2008 6:36PM
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boyd
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people can ski on and dress however the fuck they like. I don't think progression means following other sports, dropping poles, and using skis that are too small. Simply said, larger skis are more stable and faster, but shorter skis can be more fun for jibs and rails. I think a lot of "progression" lies in the skill level of skiing, so if all the pros were go hop on 160's, i don't think we'd be seeing triples anytime soon, still though, it their choice to ski on whatever they want (and large part of improving comes by having fun) . Skiing is growing in size and the level of shit going down, but i'm tired of peopler doing things for the sake of doing it.
Dec 19 2008 6:44PM
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fsscott
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ahahahahahahaha
Dec 19 2008 6:49PM
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Peter.
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exactly

all these park rats are too weak, and they can't spin a 181 length ski, so they buy 151s
Dec 19 2008 6:53PM
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unchyll
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THANK YOU
jeeeeeeze
i was afraid no one else noticed some of the dumb shit people say on this site everyday
Dec 19 2008 7:15PM
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MastaAce
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i agree with both of you, however is it me or have the last two days been exceptionally bad?

so what i have some 161 skis that i ride sometimes? i have been on ns a while and finally make an account and i didnt realize how quick users were to snap at each other and try to degrade each other.
Dec 19 2008 7:19PM
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Fat.Kid
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imo  future = backcountry.

so long skis with poles is the way to go.  
Dec 19 2008 7:23PM
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Octopus
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Dec 19 2008 7:25PM
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MastaAce
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forgot to mention they were Shamans, sorry to interrupt continue the hate.
Dec 19 2008 7:28PM
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borskee
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k first of all those townships are his urban/rail skis in 169cm which is a lot easier for what they are for
2nd he rides 178 antidogmas for jumps/pipe/and some rails

he will ride the townships for a rail comp or urban
and he will ride the antidogmas for a slopestyle or pipe day
Dec 19 2008 7:39PM
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dylansiggers
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Id like to see what tom wallish has to say about all of this haha
Dec 19 2008 7:53PM
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A.R.
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have we overlooked the possibility that the camera might have had a wide angle lens, and taken from a hgher vantage point. to make his feet and skis seem misshapen or smaller.

just a thought. adn not totally out of the question.
Dec 19 2008 8:05PM
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16candles
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i was doing that for a day and i felt like such a tool
Dec 19 2008 10:07PM
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Dr.Seuss
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You're basing all your "research" on park skiing, which doesn't even come close to encompassing every part of skiing.

1. We need long skis to be stable when going fast. This doesn't just count for racing, if you're ripping shit in pow you need a longer ski or you're going to be flopping everywhere and forced into the back skis.

2. We need poles because it helps us to put forward pressure on the boot, which helps you turn. Seriously, if you knew how to ski you would realize that it's about 1000 times harder to turn or ski trees without poles.

3. Yeah, the swing weight is relative to the length of the ski, but a shorter ski doesn't necessarily mean you can spin faster. I have 181's for park and I can whip 360's off the ground no problem, and I'm only about 5'9 and 150 pounds.

Dec 19 2008 10:55PM
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skibum2292
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why would you want shorter skis? it would be terrible for landings and retarded for grabs!
Dec 19 2008 11:15PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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Dec 19 2008 11:15PM
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104
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wow fucked up pretty bad with that theory, and fuck no poles as well, so many posers rock no poles, and its just another coverup for having no style at all. poles are actually really helpful for park, helps to speed check, and for urbaning there a must for getting speed most of the time. as for short skis, as u can see snowblading is probly the dumbest fuckin thing to ever go down a moutian, i like some weight under my foot, makes stompin shit feel that much better.
Dec 19 2008 11:18PM
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summersover
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this made me laugh
i have no idea why
Dec 19 2008 11:22PM
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jerad
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HAHAHAHA this one made me laugh out loud
Dec 19 2008 11:29PM
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highflyer21
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he is actually lying down, its all just an optical illusion.
Dec 19 2008 11:33PM
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highflyer21
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he is actually lying down, its all just an optical illusion.
Dec 19 2008 11:33PM
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highflyer21
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haha i was hoping someone would add some sort of intelligence to this conversation
Dec 19 2008 11:36PM
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hartig
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YEAH LETS KEEP GETTING SMALLER SKIS GUYS.. SNOWBLADING IS STILL GAY THOUGH!

whatatool.

no hate directed at you malcom.. 100% at thread creator
Dec 19 2008 11:38PM
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Pee_and_Ski
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personaly i ride 175s and im 511, but i got a pair of 158 for teaching, the 58s are scechy as hell landing on cause the tail is so short.

Dec 19 2008 11:39PM
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Dec 20 2008 1:13AM
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iluvBread
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oh i know....this sites turned into a fuckin fashion site where everyone has to notice every little detail of outerwear some pro is wearing and talk about it...for heavens sake just ski people and stop worrying about others......who the fuck benefits from knowing what size wallisch skis or wut kind of poles jossi has? it pointless jibberish you people taLk about that has no effect on anyone.........JUST FUCKING SKI!
Dec 20 2008 1:44AM
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fr33rid3r
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some of you people are just so retarded its ridiculous.

i can't believe this.
Dec 20 2008 9:15AM
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Thenowhereman42
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I'm 6'2 and my 181's are a tad short, I'd probably go 185 if any park skis actually came that big.
Dec 20 2008 3:40PM
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Jakcy
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Getting back to the topic, short skis are for people whose legs can't take the weight of long and heavy skis. Go to the gym and train your legs if that 270 on rail doesn't spin fast enough. And short skis are bad at landing big jumps, absolutely no control.
Dec 20 2008 3:47PM
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danedegruyter
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i bet you would love short skis so you can rollerblade on snow... thats real cool.....................

On a second note, to the thread creator "you dont need to go that fast for park jumps"  I have never gone faster in my life than hitting some park jumps..  Short skis are not the future.

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Dec 20 2008 7:31PM
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huge-go
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Just thought I'd throw this into the mix... Moment is working on a 186 reno jib.
Oh, I have 185 scratch steeze's and 193 ehp's.

Hooray for long skis!
Dec 20 2008 8:50PM
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*DrewT*
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I don't think ski technology as far as length and width goes for park is gonna change all that much, they'll probably get a little shorter and a little wider but I think most of that is done with.  Skis have gotten shorter, and I think it's about to the right point now, obviously it comes down to personal preference, I ride 177s right now which works well for most situations for me
Dec 20 2008 10:57PM
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Detroit_Steeze
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hey maybe twall wanted to take it easy on his collarbone and took out some 169s to ski on,who cares one day you see him with 169 skis and now you think skiing has changed,wtf would you jump off a bridge if twall told you to? THis thread has gone overboard!
Dec 20 2008 11:52PM
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rynmartn
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well, heres my opinion on all this. I think what ever ski legnth works best for you and helps you ski your best is whats right. By the way, Tom Wallisch isn't a very big kid, those skis in that picture are probly just as tall as him. How ever they are center mounted and look small because of the angle of the picture. ANGLE is our word of the day here. I ski on 181s. thats a good legnth for me. there only up to my eyebrow tho because I am 6'2" and extremely amazing.
Dec 21 2008 2:40AM
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Alex_G
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wow you kids amaze me sometimes...

Dec 21 2008 3:07AM
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XtRemE11
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for rails and urban you might as well, but for everything else, like jumps, no longer is better, ive skiied shorter skis all my life, like high 160's and low 170's and im 5,11 150, i just got 183's this year and im doing better than i ever have, its like my skis made me better, they are awesome as fuck on jumps.

the one thing that is the future is rocker for sure, or like that duel camber bannana board stuff. i was talking to some guy who works for some small snowboard comany, and he said he thinks in 5 years, every park board is gonna have some form of duel camber or rocker. and thats probably whats gonna happen with skis, cause it really is better.
Dec 21 2008 3:44AM
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dodgeridge*rider
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i would if they was snow and at least a little bit of a transition


Dec 21 2008 4:00AM
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ski-plastic
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You got any idea how easy it is to wash out on short ass skis on a big kicker or when youre spinnin hard??

Gotta add right here... how many tall guys are postin on this thread reppin for longer skis?? Why wont anybody make a park ski at 185-190?! Theres definately a hole in the market right here! Im 6'3''/6'4'' and ridin 181s. I wouldnt even care who made the ski, Id still buy it!
Dec 21 2008 7:38PM
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BrodyLeven
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just imagine having that much influence on an aspect of a sport....must be nice.
Dec 21 2008 9:04PM
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DON_EMILIONE
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you have no future
Dec 21 2008 9:08PM
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kthnxbai.
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holy hell.  im 5'4" and i ride 165s in the park.  3s and 5s are easy, so are sw ups, spins on and off rails.  whats the deal?


that being said i was skiing at waterville this weekend and saw a bunch of kids role through the park (about 10 kids) and most of them were riding skis that looked shorter than mine and they were all taller than me.  it looked retarded i dont get it.  i thought thats why people stopped snowlerblading.
Dec 21 2008 9:10PM
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eli112233
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Wow, you found a picture of Tom Wallisch on some short skis. Now you think that the whole skiing society is going to switch? It's obviously a joke. Follow your own style and don't make such pointless threads.
Dec 21 2008 9:52PM
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