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feihlination
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+++++++++++honestly, i dont wanna offend anyone with the following thread+++++++++++

but theres a thing or two i'd like to ask. i made that football questions thread in "ski gabber" (yes, kill me) and there something came to my mind:

why are most sports, which are considered "american" (lets say basically football, baseball, basketball, icehockey) so damn complicated?

i know that sports evolve to put mismatches out of the rulebook and so it becomes more complicated over time...

the question might be more like this [a little exaggerated, so please calm down, take a breath and go on]:

why are damn complicated sports like those i mentioned earlier so famous in the US???

 in the [worldwide opinion, hearsays, does not necessarily reflect the authors opinion] DUMB US???

because in most other sectors, whether they are nutrition, culture, lifestyle something "AMERICAN" equals to something EASY, LAZY, FAST, SIMPLE.

Dec 15 2008 9:38AM
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Pman13a
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and thats pure fact right there.....
Dec 17 2008 11:17AM
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DownhillDink
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thats bullshit
Dec 17 2008 1:43PM
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shit
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For all you people who arent americans. If you came over here it wouldnt seem like you thought it would be. Yes people are fat, lazy ect. But that is just over talked about and america is alot different from your own eyes not someone elses facts ect.
Dec 17 2008 1:54PM
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Tasche
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fuck you... America PWNS you fucks.
Dec 18 2008 4:50AM
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coolhandluke
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i know, bringing home the gold medal in basketball means nothing without an average spread of +50.
Dec 18 2008 10:22AM
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scratchproteen
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baseball is the hardest to understand for new people....football is probably the easiest...i mean come on..there are 4 quarters each 15 minutes long of regulation...you have two teams defending each goal...the objective is to travel said yards to the opposing teams endzone and score a touchdown that is worth 6 points...you can kick an extra point that is worht 1 or go for a 2 point conversion...then you just have to understand a field goal and pick up on penalties as you go...

baseball though i believe is a harder concept to understand...not many people understand what a "balk" is...or when the ball is en the field of play and then is tossed out of play what happens with the base runners...what a sacrafice fly or suicide squeeze is...all sorts of little things like that baseball has a more to it...football is pretty basic get down and dirty and kick some ass

i'm no knocking football i love it...played both in highschool and currently play football in college...but i will always miss baseball
Dec 18 2008 11:06AM
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coolhandluke
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easily the hardest.  i mean jeez, why isn't the one dude throwing the bat and the other dude trying to hit it with the little white ball?

are you saying hardest to understand the basic concepts? or to master the whole game?  its pretty hard to stand around in a dugout with a dip in you mouth and getting a portbelly.
Dec 18 2008 11:10AM
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Scandinavia
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Care to elaborate?
Dec 18 2008 11:12AM
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fujarome
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i have a bunch of french relatives, and not a single one understands baseball. It is very complicated. It's one of the few sports where the entire team isn't out on the field at once, which made no sense to them. And why do you have to stop running when the pitcher has the ball?

baseball is by far the most complex sport. It isn't if you grew up watching or playing it, but otherwise it is extremely difficult to learn. The basics can be learned kind of fast, but the rest of it is hard. Like the infield fly rule etc etc
Dec 18 2008 11:54AM
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griffon
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some americans think that they are better than the rest of the world, and those few is what the generalization of americans being dumb and stupid come from.

example: a friend of me was in the USA for some bussiness shit and talked with 2 americans about the Iraq war.

quote: yeah i know we went to war to get oil. you live in norway , you got oil. maybe we will come bomb the shit out of your country some day

what the fuck????? if all americans was like that they would be stupid

and btw why americans are considered as fat is because of the "supersize me" documentary.
Dec 18 2008 11:54AM
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fujarome
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actually the US sucks in almost every sport that isn't played professionally here. With the exception of soccer because they do play pro here, and we still suck at it. It's almost like as americans, we couldn't cut it in world sports so we made our own and kick ass in them. But even then...sports like baseball, we aren't even the best.

And no...we couldn't pwn the world. In a few years, the European Union would be able to kick our ass if they couldn't already. If China could move it's troops, then they'd kick our ass too.

And if we could pwn the world, why are americans still getting killed in Iraq? Thats just 1 country.
Dec 18 2008 12:04PM
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errrka
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one word: stereotypes

all that you see isn't what the truth is...."the american way of life" who gets to say that, judging that America is so diverse in every aspect. In a personal standpoint, I eat fruits and veggies all the time considering i'm a vegeterian... i never watch tv, and in fact ive got 4 books in my purse right now (i know, i read a lot) and inventing the internet.... i'm pretty sure that shows a drive in ambition to create something, and the intellect to actually create what you are now complaining on.

and so for you to say our "american sports" dont fit our way of life, is stupid because the way of life you see is a stereotyped way and as everyone knows, stereotypes are bogus.

Dec 18 2008 12:06PM
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fujarome
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oh alright, my bad man.

but yea, they do fight dirty. But thats what war is these days. Hell, thats how the US won its independence. Guerilla style
Dec 18 2008 12:22PM
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gordie.
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hey yall im kinda ripped so yaa....
anyways.
american's think they're the shit
canadians think american's are dumb and ignorant
american's think they're suppppper amazing and everyone loves them and that canada is worthless and they're better than the rest of the world

those are the stereotype's i see more and more in this day and age, and honestly im tired of it
i know lots of canadians, being one myself
i know lots of americans
for the most part, these stereotypes are fucking retarded
canadians aren't dumb
neither are americans
neither of them think they're gods gift the the green earth

like not everyone is like this, but for the most part, people on this planet are good. generalizing them by their country, their race, their ethnicity... thats just stupid. like not every canadian hates america, most don't. just like most american's don't hate canada. this goes for like all countries too, not just america and canada.
i personally can't tell the difference between canadians and americans, were like the same freaking people
so everyone should stop bickering. were all the same species, and ya, some people are fucking retarded and ignorant
but for the most part, people are good and underneath it all and aren't assholes really.
theres such a thing as pride for your country tho, and theres ignorance, so don't take it to far. i mean seriously, you had absolutely NO decision in which country you were born into, who your parents were and all that, so seriously, it makes no difference who you are or what you do.
keep it chill and keep it real.

if you read all of this, and keep an open mind about it, your pretty damn cool in my books.

/rant
Dec 18 2008 12:22PM
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coolhandluke
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i heard a rumor that in soccer, basketball, football, rugby, etc. the whole team is not out on the playing field.  some of them appear to spend time on this things called "benches" or "sidelines".  the only sport i know of where no one sits out at all is bar fighting.

and in baseball you can keep running when the pitcher has the ball.  might be a bad idea though.

the only sport the french know about is being invaded by ze germans.
Dec 18 2008 3:05PM
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fujarome
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well no shit not the whole team. But the whole playing team is which is a huge difference.

And in baseball you actually can't just run whenever you want. Once the ball has been mounded after a play, the runner's can't just take off.

and considering this thread is about americans standing up to stereotypes, your last comment is completely ignorant, uncalled for, and makes you look moronic to anyone who isn't american. The French have been fighting and winning wars since hundreds of years before for the first thoughts of someone trying to cross the atlantic even came up. So i think americans have no right to call out other countries war fighting abilities, since the US is still relatively new compared with say...all of europe
Dec 18 2008 3:18PM
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hellomynameisjef
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it still funny, as V. demonstrated above, to make fun of french people
Dec 18 2008 3:44PM
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gbirrd
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dont ever call it ice hockey fag. its HOCKEY. Not Ice hockey

Just hockey. thats it.

dumb americans

Dec 18 2008 3:45PM
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2+2=5
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"You americans are so funny..." *in an asian accent*

what movie is that from?
Dec 18 2008 4:00PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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Cricket is damn near impossible to figure out
Dec 18 2008 4:08PM
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Sno.
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the thread starter isn't american
Dec 18 2008 4:57PM
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JonathonChandler
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this is a stupid thread. a lot of the people arguing dont know wtf they are taking about
Dec 18 2008 5:15PM
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Meh42
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I feel like adding a conclusion to all this ridiculousness.

My closing arguments:







Dec 18 2008 9:08PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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i do not disagree with you there, facts are facts and i exaggerated a little, but you cannot question the money making power of the NFL.
Dec 18 2008 9:42PM
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Dustin.
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Actually the urine test that started all the Lance BS used Lance's urine from 1998.  And all the people involved in that investigation said it was a BS accusation.  Lance is not normal in any physical capacity, so I wouldn't compare him to Jan Ullrich.
Dec 18 2008 9:45PM
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Delphi
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the fuck are you talking about putting american in quotations. Baseball and american football were invented in america mother fucker. Baseball in itself is a uniquely american sport.
Dec 18 2008 11:21PM
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SteezyasPie
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in massachusetts you mean?
Dec 19 2008 12:02AM
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skiEER
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what sports do you consider simple
Dec 19 2008 12:14AM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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baseball was invented in europe by the english and it was called rounders, smartass.
Dec 19 2008 3:05PM
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Sno.
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rounders is just the game that baseball was derived from.  The game of baseball, which has a similar concept but has different rules was invented in the U.S.  So you could say both, technically, depending on what you meant.
Dec 19 2008 3:09PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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Well then you could also say that it was invented in Romania, Russia, and Germany with names such as: oina, lapta, and schlagball.

IMO neither baseball or football was "invented" by americans.  They just took existing sports, made different rules and called it something else.   Technically that's not "inventing."
Dec 19 2008 3:18PM
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Bamski
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Well Patrick, first off I am Canadian, but my parents are of Austrian descent - So I kind of see what world bias on the states is like first hand. They lived there until the 80's before they moved here and I was born.

The world often gives the states a really bad reputation for laziness. Some of the facts made are true, while others are exaggerations. I've found from personal experience with some friends living in the Western states that they are almost identical to how my Canadian friends act. I would never describe them as lazy or looking for the simplest route (ie. Internet as you said).

In a nation that has such a large population combined with so much wealth there are bound to be people that take gluttony a little too far. However, it's still a small part of the population. It does not reflect on the entire nation.

As for the part about sports, football/baseball have been traditions within the states. They have been fanatically followed by people for generations and generations. Ice hockey is still much more of a Canadian activity, as American "sport" shows such as poker and bowling still take in more TV viewers than an NHL hockey game. It's a shame really.
Dec 19 2008 3:21PM
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Sno.
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what was football's existing sport? I'm being dead serious...I don't know what you're referring to-- rugby???  I thought people called it American football just to set it apart from football around the world which is what we call soccer.

Dec 19 2008 3:22PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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The history of American football, a spectator sport in the United States, can be traced to early versions of rugby football.

Americans didn't invent football.  They made their own version of rugby and called it american football.  Like I said, technically Americans didn't invent football or rugby. 

I'm not talking about soccer.
Dec 19 2008 3:35PM
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Sno.
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you can't say that american's didn't invent football because it is loosely based on rugby.  The reason you can't do this, is because rugby is an existing, entirely different sport.  It would be one thing if rugby just evolved into football, and football was the new rugby, and we're claiming it as our own. But rugby still exists as an entirely different sport, in fact, rugby is played in the U.S. also.

Baseball is slightly different, because baseball today REPLACED what was then known as Rounders, so it's kind of the same sport.

On another note, I looked it up, and apparently american football was played in canada before it was even played in the U.S.

Also, there's a fine line there as to your own interpretation of what should be considered an invention.  Like are Snickers Bars an invention? Or should they just be accused of ripping off the "candy bar" concept?

Americans can not say they invented Rounders, because they didn't. They can say they invented Baseball, and that baseball is similar to rounders.  Just like Microsoft can't say they invented MP3 players, but they can say they invented the zune.

Dec 19 2008 3:54PM
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Sno.
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* what i meant was, americans cannot say they invented the hitting the ball with a stick---but they can claim that they invented modern day baseball.
Dec 19 2008 3:57PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Haha this thread is so fucking retarded.

America has some of the best of the best....and it most definitely has some of the worst stupid people in the world.  All in all I like it enough to stay, but barely.  I'll stay at least long enough to finish my education then I will probably seriously consider moving to a different country, probably Canada, maybe somewhere in Europe.
Dec 19 2008 4:00PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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yeah, i see what you mean.  especially since football and rugby are both still played
Dec 19 2008 4:07PM
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WBKrz
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i have a good idea... first of all don't judge all Americans by what you see, we are the greatest country in the universe. second take your nonfactual bull shit and shove it up your ass because you'll never fully understand what being from a different country until you actually go there. And just because certain American people invented things that made live easier doesn't mean anything. And if you still think it does, your country adopted the inventions so how does that make you any better?
Dec 19 2008 4:25PM
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Edew19
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Im proud to say that I'm American and lazy as hell.  Ill take anything and try to make it as easier or more efficient so that I have to do less work.  I don't understand why you wouldn't but whatever.

Although the football is just as complicated as any other sport it really easy to follow and I think that's why we like it.  Every team has one game a week either on Sunday or Monday (or thursday but who cares about the NFL network), and then we fans have the rest of the week to reflect and criticize.  Also there breaks in between plays to digest what just happened.  And the nfl draft is incredibly simple, theres no random people from argentina or whatever like there is in basketball and baseball, there all from US colleges.  And if you want to know about college football, just turn on the TV one day earlier.
Dec 19 2008 6:48PM
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Sno.
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good post
Dec 19 2008 6:51PM
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coolhandluke
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america; so efficient everyone else thinks were just lazy.  haha.


schoolhouse rocks told me thats a great use of a semicolon.
Dec 19 2008 7:16PM
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Sno.
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efficient.
Dec 19 2008 7:20PM
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k-rob
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it really is all just personal opinion. i don't like American football because the play stops too often, for too long, the players wear full body armor simply for the purpose of making themselves heavier, etc.
that doesn't mean it's a bad sport. it just means i'm not going to watch it because it bores me.
i don't like soccer, (or football as the europeans and the people who wish they were european call it) mostly because the games are so long for such little scoring, it's really just a passing game and the player feign injuries way too often. again, this doesn't mean it's a bad sport, it just means i don't like it.
let's not forget the spelling. i can't imagine how lazy you would have to be to leave out almost half of the letters in doughnut. but again, it's personal opinion, if americans want to reinvent the english language so that they don't have to use as many letters, that's their thing. i don't care.
and the cars. they suck. but chances are i'll be rolling in an american car before i'm rolling in a good one, so complaining isn't really going to get me anywhere.
i won't even bother talking about the attitude, because every country has one.

really though, hating on Americans for being stereotypically ignorant is in itself very ignorant. so let's just quit the bullshit and try to get along. if we can tolerate the different skin colours in the world, we should be able to tolerate the different cultures.
Dec 19 2008 7:37PM
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freezed
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rush hour??
Dec 19 2008 7:40PM
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thizzey
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good call
Dec 19 2008 11:14PM
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skierdudeguy
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preach.
small correction: we dont wear football pads to be heavier :)
Dec 20 2008 2:38PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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football pads are there so we can hit harder and play faster without fearing injury...
Dec 21 2008 7:27PM
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Sufferboy
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think before you type

Dec 21 2008 7:29PM
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Austeeze
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ha ha i can see why it is confusing for people in  non cricketing nations (reminds me of that family guy joke on the tv in the british pub lol). Kinda why 20/20 cricket exists....

You pretty much have to grow up with the sport and be surrounded by its culture to understand it and appreciate it (its our national summer sport). Same with Australian football or any other sport i guess...
Dec 21 2008 8:26PM
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