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feihlination
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+++++++++++honestly, i dont wanna offend anyone with the following thread+++++++++++

but theres a thing or two i'd like to ask. i made that football questions thread in "ski gabber" (yes, kill me) and there something came to my mind:

why are most sports, which are considered "american" (lets say basically football, baseball, basketball, icehockey) so damn complicated?

i know that sports evolve to put mismatches out of the rulebook and so it becomes more complicated over time...

the question might be more like this [a little exaggerated, so please calm down, take a breath and go on]:

why are damn complicated sports like those i mentioned earlier so famous in the US???

 in the [worldwide opinion, hearsays, does not necessarily reflect the authors opinion] DUMB US???

because in most other sectors, whether they are nutrition, culture, lifestyle something "AMERICAN" equals to something EASY, LAZY, FAST, SIMPLE.

Dec 15 2008 9:38AM
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Tasche
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Dude just stop you are contradicting yourself and acting like a fool.

Stereotypes are offensive because they generalize in ways that are usually not true and offensive. Americans in general no fatter and lazy than anyone in Europe. So here is how wrong you are fag. You are hating and you are a douche.

This is why stereotypes are used by morons. If someone called all Swedish people ugly and you are Swedish would you not be offended.

And the phrase is "It never ceases to amaze..." Learn the language that the whole world uses in business and entertainment, that is thanks in part to the USA. Who the fuck speaks Swedish?
Dec 15 2008 11:06PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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yeah must be talking about mandarin Chinese....
Dec 15 2008 11:22PM
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skierdudeguy
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could be wrong here, but isnt that also false?
pretty sure english is still more widely used in the world in business settings...
Dec 16 2008 12:01AM
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-Tristan-
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Basketball was invented by a Canadian in America. So even that one isnt 100% American. To the rest of that, what the fuck?? You guys are fully personifying the rest of the worlds negative opinion of America every time you say "fuck what the rest of the world believes." That is one of the main reasons you have such a bad rap.

You're education and health systems also suck major ass compared to the rest of the first world countries out there fyi. No offense because I've met a lot of great, nice, smart and healthy Americans. I'm just saying dont be so quick to say "fuck everyones opinion but mine." Thats ignorant, and its what makes people quick to generalize Americans as such.
Dec 16 2008 12:04AM
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pbandj
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Education system... suck major ass? wait, what? why are there so many people from other countries being educated in the U.S. if our education system is so horrendous?

Also, health systems are purely personal opinion. I could say the U.K.'s health system sucks because although it is free, you may have to wait months to get a hospital bed, which is not an issue in the states.
Dec 16 2008 1:29AM
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Thenowhereman42
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It has recently been suggested that baseball actually evolved from Rounders, which is a British sport.  It was originally thought to be the other way around but a recent study suggests differently.

Ice Hockey is Canadian.

Basketball was invented by white people but dominated by black people, thats got to have something to do with it.  Plus its a pretty insane sport to begin with when you think about it.

I think American football is less complicated that Rugby, personally.  And I'm familiar with the rules of both.


Dec 16 2008 5:24AM
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ugsey
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not to be negative about ur views on the american education system. but seriously do you know the state of your public schools??

Facts of Life 101:

in 1997 the entire washington dc school term for EVERY school had to be delayed by 3 weeks because one-third of all schools were found to be unsafe.

your government has cut funding in schools sooo much that corporate sponsorship for schools is needed. in 1998 coca-cola bought the rights to the Wylie, Texas school district on a 1.5million dollar 15 year contract.

I believe the only reason more foreign kids are appearing in your country is because their parents would have a better education and therefore are being brought in to fill the jobs that your public do not have the qualifications for. its unfortunate but most probably true.

Dec 16 2008 5:48AM
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Scandinavia
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Here we go again...

Me saying that americans are fat were just an example. I did not mean anything by it except making my point. America is in fact fatter than all of the countries in Europe and thats not hating, thats just a fact
( http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat_2.html?boxes=custom)

Anyhow, this was not really the point. Even if americans are fat, why would it offend you just if someone points it out? I could not care less if someone said swedish people are ugly, fat or stupid. Call Sweden whatever you want, without any kind of fact i doesn´t hold any relevance anyway. And even if there were some kind of statistics saying swedes are ugly why would I be offended? As well as not all
swedes being ugly ( if there were statistics saying that) not all americans are fat.

And why are you taking cheap shots calling me fag and complain about my spelling? You dont hold any good arguments?

In the first response you spelled it seize as well ( dont make a fool out of yourself). In what way is it relevant what language people speak? Please explain to me.

And once and for all:
I like USA and this is no hating on your country.

 
Dec 16 2008 9:16AM
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GhostfaceKillah
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oohhh someone pwned someone else with PROOF!

this thread is really heating up!
Dec 16 2008 10:31AM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Considering India come out with more uni graduates than america does, you went wrong somewhere.
Dec 16 2008 10:36AM
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Malcolm
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yessur.
Dec 16 2008 10:40AM
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mark.p
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You said that India has more university graduates than the United States, but doesn't India have 4 times more people than the United States (1.2billion India, 300 million USA)?  Wouldnt you kind of expect them to have more graduates?  I really don't see what your point is.  The number of gradutates doesn't reflect the quality of the universities or the quality of the graduates. 

Dec 16 2008 11:16AM
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ShadyHillGroup
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See, what you are doing is no different than me walking down the street and calling a black man a porch monkey. It just doesn't work like that. Judging from this thread, the US may be fat, lazy, simple, easy but we also seem to understand how respect work, something you are completely clueless on. Ignorant fuck.
Dec 16 2008 11:24AM
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fujarome
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yea, so if i form a country with 3 of my friends, exactly 100% of the country will be colllege graduates.

you can't make bullshit comparisons between two completely different countries. And college graduates do not determine living conditions of the country. Because if it did, in India everytime a 100 foot boat being used as a ferry shunk, 5,000 people wouldn't be killed.

And Americans take this shit personally because this is all we get. You never hear of how popular Americans are abroad, because the world relatively inexplicable hates us. For me its somewhat a lose-lose situation, because i'm a French-American. So in France they hate the american in me, and in the US they hate the French in me.
Dec 16 2008 11:29AM
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intifada
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word, i think there are a lot more positives in america that people overlook than in most other countries.
Dec 16 2008 11:33AM
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pbandj
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you forget about the private school sector, which is one of the most successful school systems in the world. And do you forget about our Universities? 6 of the top 10 ranked Universities in the WORLD are in the United states, Harvard is Ranked 1st, 2nd is Yale, the remaining 4 universities are all in the U.K.... but you're right our schooling systems are garbage. fucking morons
Dec 16 2008 11:46AM
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Sno.
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I think the number of families that EXPECT their kid to get drafted into the NFL as a freshman in high school, you could count on one hand.

That being said-- if you don't enjoy the NFL, don't watch it.  Watch college football instead if you want.  Of course there is gambling on NFL games, there's gambling on ANYTHING that has odds (obama vs. mccain, american idol, march madness)-- gambling doesn't spoil the game, most people don't even come in contact with the gambling side of sports.  Also, there are a lot of commercials, because advertisers know that football gets a lot of viewers-- just like there are a ton of commercials during the accademy awards.  Yeah, it sucks, but whatever-- DVR it. 

Also, the challenge rule is the shit. You think it was only implemented so that more commercials could be broadcasted?? Then how can you justify the number of calls overturned by a challenge review?

Dec 16 2008 11:47AM
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Sno.
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you do realize that the money spent by companies for air time during the superbowl, is paid to the network which is broadcasting the game.
Dec 16 2008 11:50AM
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Tinga
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i dont mean to offend you but i think youre lazy and fat? i think you do mean to offend us.
Dec 16 2008 11:56AM
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Sno.
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I know, right! You can't just get away with saying anything just because you follow it up with "no offense"...

Your mom is a fat, ugly, hooker......no offense.

Dec 16 2008 11:59AM
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GhostfaceKillah
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The NFL most definitely gets a fairly large chunk of that money, heck the networks do PAY the NFL for rights to their games. It all gets back to the NFL one way or another.

Also, regarding what you said about the challenge system... why wouldn't they implement a system similar to the college leagues? I think that system is much more efficient and effective. The challenge system in the NFL seems like an unnecessary production. It so long for the ref to walk over to the booth, watch and re-watch the play from several angles, and then walk back out to the field and make the call... it definitely helps add to the already slow pace of an NFL game (with all of the commercial breaks they already have)In the NCAA they have a ref in the booth upstairs who can make the call instantly in comparison to the huge production the NFL makes you sit through.
Dec 16 2008 12:17PM
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Sno.
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They do that in the NFL also-- they have reviews from "above", aside from the challenges made by either team.

Ok, so you don't like the challenge system.  I just have a completely different opinion, personally, I love it when there's a challenge flag thrown, and I love watching the slow motion replays of a "close call", and trying to determine if that call should be overturned or not.  I find the commercial breaks at the 2 minute warnings and at the end of the quarters and time outs to be the most annoying-- usually they just do replays during the challenges-- in fact, I don't think they play commercials during challenges at all.

Dec 16 2008 12:31PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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I think challenges in football is bullshit in slo mo.  When they review a play, it should all be in real motion, not slow motion.
Dec 16 2008 12:50PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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oh a purist. you my friend are a rare breed of football fan.
Dec 16 2008 12:56PM
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Sno.
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wouldn't that be the opposite of a purist? That he thinks the game should be subject to the errors made by the imperfect human eye?

I respect that opinion though. Baseball would suck with challenges.

Dec 16 2008 12:59PM
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Twinjibber77
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I disagree.

Refs are rediculous these days. Look at tha Denver vs. San Diego game. That bad call ruined tha game for San Diego and it was complete bullshit.

Dec 16 2008 1:13PM
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sklermang
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im being a little lazy not reading the whole thread but...
(and its probably been said)
soccer, the worlds most popular sport has some pretty complicated rules relative to american football , maybe not quite as complicated as baseball tho.

my guess in general is that the reason american sports are more complicated is because america is a relatively new country. naturally, the sports that were created later in time are more complicated variations of previous sports.
Dec 16 2008 1:16PM
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VTtreeskier
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Ok, if i were to paraphrase that sentence it would be that our sports are complex but we're lazy, and how can you expect people not to get upset about this. You brought up a totally random idea dissing america with no support to your argument. Don't get me wrong, i hate alot of things about my country, bush is a dumbass, there are alot of fat people compared to europe (if you don't believe me go there) but you can't generalize us like that. And you can't tell people not to take offense to this, if i were to say "with all respect, dont take this the wrong way, but your a total asshole" youd be pissed to. And as for your actual argument about complex sports? What? Look at fucking golf and cricket, football and baseball are not that complicated. This is a stupid idea thats only purpose was to piss people off and let you say that europe is better than america.
Dec 16 2008 1:17PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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you raise an interesting question? Is today's game a pure representation of what the game of football is all about? so much to consider. I could write an essay if I wanted to... but I wont lol. I'll save it for another day.
Dec 16 2008 1:25PM
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Twinjibber77
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+k
Dec 16 2008 1:27PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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That's they way it goes.  Baseball has been putting up with it for over one hundred years.  Football rules are turning football into a pussy sport, slowly.  Look at how it started and then look at all the pussy rules they have now, especially when it comes to quarterbacks.

Dec 16 2008 1:38PM
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fujarome
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whats so complicated about soccer?

The only rule i can think of that causes confusion/trouble is offsides, and even that is pretty easy to understand. If a player is closer to the opposing team's goal than the last defender and the ball is played to them, they are offside. Everything else is quite straightforward
Dec 16 2008 1:38PM
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Twinjibber77
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Tha only rules that are making football a pussy sport is fining Hines Ward because he truck stick cats "too hard".
Dec 16 2008 1:41PM
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Squirrel_Murphy
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word
Dec 16 2008 1:42PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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There is so much retardation in this thread, I don't even know where to start.  Is it Make-a-Fool-of-Yourself-on-the-Internet Day in the EU or something?
Dec 16 2008 1:53PM
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[~_~]
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I'm going to have to disagree with that.
Dec 16 2008 2:20PM
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anti_bunk
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PRECEDESSORS?!?!
Dec 16 2008 2:41PM
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Scandinavia
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I give up. It is obvious that you can´t raise a serious question about America and americans, a question without any hating, and not get called a fag or a ignorant fuck.

Lucky for me I know there are still some people on here capable of having a somewhat mature discussion.
Dec 16 2008 7:12PM
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.Asain-Skiier
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go withs the soccer brah
Dec 16 2008 7:20PM
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swanton
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I didn't read the whole thread buddy, just the first post and

What the FUCK?!?!?! Ice Hockey is fucking Canadian you fucking dickhead! Bitch.
Dec 16 2008 7:22PM
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coolhandluke
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the rule where if someone touches you, you fall on the ground for 5 minutes writhing around, get carted off on the stretcher, then return to the game 10 minutes later perfectly healthy, and the refs subjectively add 15 minutes of bonus time for your superb acting skills.
Dec 16 2008 8:50PM
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fujarome
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what about the rule that gives you a yellow card for that? Or that they more than twice the number of games as american football players do?

but i don't like to debate these things, i prefer just good natured ribbing. I've got no problem with either of the footballs.
Dec 16 2008 8:59PM
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860Bluntz
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How do you compare sports to lifestyle? That makes literally zero sense
Dec 16 2008 9:23PM
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860Bluntz
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a ton of people in general are stupid, all over the world
Dec 16 2008 9:32PM
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WillStart
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this part is mind-blowingly ridiculous.

you only eat fruits and vegetables? you never eat fast food? there are 0 fat and lazy people where you live? you only read books? and give me a fucking break, the internet was not invented for shopping. we still go to grocery stores.

just because we have a bad reputation doesnt mean we are. its just easy for all the countries, especially those that arent as powerful, to gang up on us because were better. it makes them feel like they have something over us, when in reality they dont. sure there are lazy fat people here, but there are lazy fat people elsewhere. there are a fuck load of healthy americans, hard as it might be for you to believe.



Dec 16 2008 9:37PM
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860Bluntz
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Facts of Life 101: DC is a shit hole, learn up kid
Dec 16 2008 9:40PM
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jason...
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i stopped reading after you called ice hockey and american sport.
Dec 16 2008 9:47PM
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Twinjibber77
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+k
Dec 17 2008 8:31AM
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Blurst
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Basketball was invented by james naismith (sp?) who is a canadian. You might not be fat and useless. Your dominince in the olympics is definetely falling off what it used to be and there are lots of countries in the world with an equal or better education system than yours. Also just because hockey is based in the US does not mean that it is an american sport, us Canadians and europeans seem to dominate that sport.
Dec 17 2008 8:42AM
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Twinjibber77
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Don't forget about tha Russians.

USSR destroyed.

Dec 17 2008 8:50AM
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