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Griffons or jesters? ++k

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spotter487
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I am 5'11" 150 lbs. I am an aggressive skier and wanted to know which one would be better for me? I have heard that the griffons are lighter but less durable. I am all for the lighter binding but I'm not sure if they will hold up with my weight and skiing style? Any suggestions? no use having extra weight if its not necessary
Dec 11 2008 10:30PM
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LOVELL
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at only 150 LB your din dose not dose not need to be high. so unless you are really throwing down i mean like sw10, you dont need the mettle in the jester. so save your self  some money and get the lighter griffon
Dec 11 2008 10:52PM
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Jballz
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peter griffons
Dec 11 2008 10:53PM
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steezyme
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marker blows sth16's are the best bindings on the market.
Dec 11 2008 10:54PM
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LOVELL
Posts: 143 - Karma: 129
every one hase there own opinion but i don't like salimon bindings. i much prefer the jester system.
Dec 11 2008 10:59PM
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kko
Posts: 336 - Karma: 49

i have the griffons. they are super light. i love them. cant help ya with the din question though..

Dec 11 2008 11:45PM
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Style+eeze
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i would recommend jesters. my reasons are: durability, resale value, and higher din if needed.

so, i have to say that if you take all three of these things into consideration, i think you have a winner.
Dec 12 2008 12:10AM
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Love_Wins.
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You're a moron, please stop giving advice.
At his height/weight they HIGHEST possible setting he could leave the shop with is 8. So please...just no.

Get the Griffons, they'll save you some bills and when/if you need to upgrade, you'll know if you like the marker royal platform.
Dec 12 2008 2:47AM
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Silence
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I agree unequivocally
Dec 12 2008 3:43AM
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Campeador
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Jesters will be fine for you, I'm your exact height and weight and I ride them at 9-10. Jesters have a good DIN range, and will hold up much better than griffons. Griffons are what you put on carving skis.
Dec 12 2008 3:56AM
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Love_Wins.
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Have you broken Griffons?
The how can you speak to their ability to hold up?
Dec 12 2008 3:58AM
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Campeador
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I've never ridden griffons, but I have ridden all plastic markers before. I shattered the heel piece, and fucked up my ankle to the point that it felt broken. It was quite a step for me to ever buy markers again, but I heard great things about the jesters and so far I've liked them so it seems like marker finally learned how to make decent bindings. Its just a better idea to buy bindings that have some metal reinforcement, that's just my opinion. Not to mention the jesters will raise the resale value of his skis. I just believe one is always better off with the better binding, especially if the price isn't that different. You can get jesters for like $250 now, thats only $20 more than what griffons retail for.
Dec 12 2008 4:13AM
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Love_Wins.
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You breaking a totally different set of markers has no bearing on the durability of the Griffons.
It's apples and oranges here man...while I'll concede the resale value point, one shouldn't buy a binding out of one's proverbial league for that purpose.
remember the HIGHEST DIN value he could get is 8, that's with the shortest BSL and the highest (level 3) rating given, and 8 is really where they should begin being set at.
What if, given his information, the shop decides to set him at 5...what happens then? I'll tell you what happens, they refuse to mount his bindings because it's not worth the $35 they make on the mount to risk the lawsuit because they set him higher than they should have.
I'm just saying that he's not a big kid, and chances are slim-to-none he'll break the Griffons or have any trouble at all with them, and people saying they don't hold up really have no experience breaking or even riding them.
It'll save him some cash and he'll be safer with Griffons IMHO.
Dec 12 2008 4:26AM
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LC.
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Griffons and Jesters are identical except for the springs so anyone talking about durability differences is talking nonsense.
Dec 12 2008 4:26AM
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Silence
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wrong.

For one, the toe wings are plastic on the Griffons
Dec 12 2008 4:40AM
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Silence
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Also i'm i believe there are plastic/composite heel towers on the Griffon

Definitely more metal in the Jester.
Dec 12 2008 4:44AM
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MoistAbode
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i talked to a marker rep about both bindings and how they compare and he said the ONLY difference was the springs.

Dec 12 2008 7:00AM
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LC.
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Sorry, you're wrong. You really shouldn't make stuff up. It's some high grade plastic on both, identical. Only the springs are different.
Dec 12 2008 8:49AM
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TimmyK
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griffons and jesters are very different the jester has metal wings and heel support where as the griffon wings and heel support are composite, ie plastic so guess your talking some nonsense
Dec 12 2008 1:00PM
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joystickpimp
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you are an idiot. Have  you even seen the jesters? The heel tower is straight up titanium same with the wings on the toe
Dec 12 2008 1:24PM
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Silence
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Well Marker need to retrain their reps better then, seems that some reps identify clear differences in construction and others claim its just the spring

I still think there is more metal in jesters.

If the only difference is the spring, then please explain the 50g weight difference
Dec 12 2008 4:31PM
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Twig
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I have 2 pairs of Jesters and my dad has a pair of Griffons.. Griffons definitely have plastic heel towers and plastic toe wings, these parts are Metal on my Jesters. The end.
Dec 12 2008 4:57PM
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slashquatch
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im 6ft around the same weight and i ride the jesters they arent that heavy and i like the durability i just feel safer
Dec 12 2008 5:04PM
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Silence
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I personally examined Jesters today and the toe wings are and heel tower are metal
Dec 14 2008 12:48AM
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WONTON
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yea.......marker rep told me and showed me the differences. Not just the spring. Now let's all stop dropping marker reps in every post
Dec 14 2008 12:53AM
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kfilenda
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no.  I would highly recommend Griffons. Very solid binding, and a little bit less expensive.
Dec 14 2008 12:24PM
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Twig
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Ok well heres my $0.02.. Guy is 5'11 and 150.. Not huge but hey. Not tiny either. I'm 5'9 140 and I ride Jesters. Why? Because I break equipment all the time and so the metal made sense to me. I don't set my DIN above 8.5 ever (so far), and I know that I could, in theory get away with Griffons. But hey, when I am hucking off 30ft of cliff.. not even that huge.. I want to feel confident in my bindings. As a result, I went with the Jesters because I feel better knowing they are a bit stronger. What matters is feeling confident in your own equipment. Assuming his DIN is within the 7-15 range and the OP feels like he really would be more confident on the Jester, then it is worth his money. IMO 100% confidence in your own equipment is key to progression.
Dec 14 2008 12:40PM
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peaz23
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Personally i would not get either one i am 160lbs. and ski aggressivly . i rode the jesters last season and i went through 3 pairs in a month!  the jesters a 300$  get an all metal binding cause the jesters will break. the heel piece shattered on me when i over shot a good sized step down. get the scratch 14 they have a high  din all metal heel and the safest toe piece out there. good luck
Dec 14 2008 1:07PM
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Dntel.
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true dat homie, i have remounted my jesters on 2 pairs of skis and they have continued to impress me in both back country and park. I was checkin out the griffins for my next set up, and i have to say i was not quite convinced that they were a reasonable alternative, for me at least. bottom line, jesters are durable as fuck.
Dec 14 2008 9:49PM
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Love_Wins.
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And you're assuming Griffon's aren't without ever riding them...
Dec 14 2008 10:35PM
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spotter487
Posts: 462 - Karma: 12
Thanks a lot for the input ++k to anyone that helped. I am a pretty aggressive skier and even though I don't max out the din settings on the griffons, I was thinking about going with the jesters because I would feel more confident that they are going to hold up to whatever I throw at them. But money is a little tight right now so I might just end up going with the griffons.
Dec 16 2008 3:03AM
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spotter487
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btw this weekend was demo day at my mountain and I got to ski a pair of blends with jesters on em. i liked the feel I got with them cause of the short footprint it leaves on the ski, didnt seem too heavy either
Dec 16 2008 3:09AM
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Silence
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Nothing wrong with Griffons man. People that give them a hard time generally haven't used them. Solid bindings.

I'm yet to see someone snap a toe wing or a heel tower. You'll be fine.
Dec 16 2008 3:19AM
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buchanan.
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the only reason they use the same bindings on carving skis is because of a system they have that transmits the energy from you as close to your edges as possible, and apparently it works ridiculously well.

Dec 16 2008 3:19AM
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Silence
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Not sure that I agree with that entirely?

What skis come with griffons as standard?
Dec 16 2008 5:10AM
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Larz-the-Ninja
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I second what he says.  Resale value means everything
Dec 26 2008 7:25PM
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