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Where i think park and urban skiing should be headed

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wh@t
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soul_steeze's thread got me thinking. i dont really see skiing headed to being more so dominated by backcountry skiing. i mean its been around forever and and will always be featured in films because as skiers its what we look forward to more than anything. i DO think however that just ripping pow and having fun skiing will definitely be emphasized more and more in the coming years.

having fun is what snowboarding is basing its shift on in the last couple years. if you dont believe me just go look at the Airblaster team and the Think Thank crew, they have more fun than anybody on snow and their films get you so amped to ride whether it be two planks or one. i see skiing heading more in that direction with more and more creative stuff being done on rails and less of this 630 to 720 sw up nonsense that we were seeing for a while there. (not to say that wouldnt be fucking sick, but it gets old)

I think skiing should head that way. i mean snowboardings always been a bit ahead of skiing so why not close the gap and start influencing snowboarding in the future. lets start doing some new slides on boxes, fuck all this hating on asian_allen. his mindset is better than alot of the people on this site right now. last year i was doing the same shit he was doing. i mean really, just doing sw-ups and pretzels gets old when theres SOOO much more we can be doing on rails and boxes and urbans. its all about having fun right? so why should you hate on someone for having fun by doing whatever they want to do?

just my thoughts tonight. im fuckin amped to ski. 10 days left till i go home! wooo!

sparknotes: READ THE THREAD.
Dec 8 2008 10:24AM
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KZA
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50'50s are really ffun
Dec 8 2008 10:43AM
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wh@t
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anytime bro.

i couldnt agree with you more. i watch Colin and Sean Kelso skate and i see Stockwells parkedit and i just think why cant skiing get there? is NS stopping it? theres like this stigma that if you wear tight pants (which i do) and if you do anything other than switch ups on rails, youre gay and you get hate. its ridiculous. it stops the sport dead in its tracks.

also what you said about snowboarders not getting why we're so excited about 20 million switch ups with a ridiculous spin out. i mean really, we look mentally challenged and it has no creativity involved whatsoever. meanwhile theyre doing bonks and presses and urbans that skiers could easily do but are too worried about looking like a big time pro to do them.

we're not all professional contest skiers guys, we can do whatever the fuck we want to! there are no judges, there is no points system. its just skiing. so stop hating on peoples skiing. hate Joeys.

we need a fresh attitude. like allen said, if i have to watch rollerblading, skateboarding and Thanks Brain segmens to get me stoked to go skiing, and every film out this year other than Hot Lunch made me want to fall asleep then we have a problem.
Dec 8 2008 10:47AM
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GhostfaceKillah
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see outdoor education
Dec 8 2008 10:50AM
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hollygrove
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i hate on asian allen not because of the rail tricks he does, but because he's a fucking tool and talks like he's above everyone else.

Dec 8 2008 10:50AM
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[]Soul_Steeze[]
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word.

i think the whole gangsta image is gettin really played and for the most part is giving us as skiers a bad image. skiing is supposed to be fun and over the years we've made it into a fashion/popularity contest and distanced ourselves from each other by considering ourselves better than kids that are just starting out skiing cuz we can throw cork 7s and they do straight airs. why not put are effort towards being friendly and outgoing and helpin each other out. taking skiing in a whole new direction like snowboarding is kinda heading. just rollin wit your friends and having a good time and enjoying yourself.

as for skiing, i def. think it needs to be headin in a more style based direction and less crazy hucked flips or spin to win type stuff. if ou think about it, jons kangaroo flip is borderline aerial type stuff and its only a matter of time til someone tries a triple.

good thread bro, and i think its up to all of us and the industry as a whole to change the definiton of skiing...

Dec 8 2008 10:51AM
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wh@t
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i have. and i love Voleurz. its a step in the right direction, but its not anywhere near our full potential.
Dec 8 2008 10:52AM
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MC_POUTINE
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so why dont you quit bitching about what people need to do and start doing it. i know that i have the best time i could possibly have on skis every time i go out. So if you start some awesome new trend and people follow it thats great, but dont tell people how they should start follow snowboarding in order to have fun.
Dec 8 2008 10:58AM
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Jwalk
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i agree Scott Stevens is a lot of fun to watch and i think skiing could change more in that direction
Dec 8 2008 11:01AM
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laurence^
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Ya  man I agree, it's all about having fun. I have so much fun with my friends out there and we make fun of those H-Core hikers who want to hit that rail all day just to cop on one trick. Riding is about funny shit and laughing, I can't ride with people who act serious, gets on my nerves. This year I'm trying to go 50 50 between park and all mountain riding.
Dec 8 2008 11:01AM
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laurence^
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Lol, I didn't read this. I must say I agree also. Damn straight you don't clap. Who cares... Just doing those fun and creative tricks should be enough to stoke everyone around.
Dec 8 2008 11:03AM
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wh@t
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i stated very clearly that i have been doing alot of the same things as allen. and that i wear tight ski pants. i dont just talk bro. im glad you have fun, and if doing what i mentioned in this thread is fun to you thats rad and im glad you do, im just trying to reach out to the people that are also getting sick and tired of the same old same old in skiing.

also didnt say we should follow snowboaring, i  again very clearly said we should try and get ahead of snowboarding for once and stop following in their footsteps for once.
Dec 8 2008 11:10AM
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YT.SKEEZE
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Ive never really gotten why NS holds this opinion on doubles considering two years ago everyone thought the kangaroo flip was the sickest thing ever...it is definately not arials too.
Arials does not involve grabbing or taking your body out of anything but a perfect pencil.
Arials does not involve going switch
Arials does essentially only involve "back fulls" and combinations of these leaving the tricks limited to one axis.
Dec 8 2008 11:11AM
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YT.SKEEZE
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Essesntially I like where skiing is going in terms of jumps but for rails I completely agree with you and am getting very tired of seeing how many times you can switch up on a rail or how big of a spin you can throw off.
Dec 8 2008 11:13AM
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wh@t
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agreed.

this thread is not about stopping spin to win nonsense or anything like that. i could give less of a fuck what it takes to win a contest we're talking about everyday skiing here.
Dec 8 2008 11:14AM
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wh@t
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also, i will do it. i cant ski yet because i am in Singapore but i get hme on the 19th and plan to ski as much as possible over break. SO
Dec 8 2008 11:18AM
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wh@t
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i will put out an edit sometime during or after my 20 day season showcasing exactly what i'm talking about.

im not someone to talk and not act.
Dec 8 2008 11:34AM
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Twig
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First up, I basically agree with you. 95% of skiing seems to lack creativity. Asian_allen's season edit caused me to rewind and try to work out what the hell just happened more than 90% of pro segments this year. I wouldn't be quite so down on Ski videos though.
Turbo had some good segments but was as a whole, unimaginative and of course the pretzel thing is getting boring.
But I thought Journal had a 'fun' vibe to it,
the Massive had some creative moments (the wall jibs etc),
Hunting Yeti was creative but admittedly not park/urban skiing,
Head for the Hills was all about fun and had some super creative sections in it.
I was a skateboarder years before I skied park, and that has a lot of people who are doing the same old thing, especially a few years ago. Skiing will catch up for sure.
I think part of the problem in skiing is the overemphasis on style. It is hard to be stylish when you are doing something new, and so those who are actually 'progressing' or being creative get flamed on NS. The result is the big video companies (PBP, level 1, Matchstick (especially) etc) are releasing the same video each year to cater to this audience. Because less people want to watch the less polished but more creative skiing, hopefully that is changing with Will Wesson/Andy Parry getting more coverage etc..

Dec 8 2008 11:40AM
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[]Soul_Steeze[]
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notice how i said BORDERLINE.

i love kangaroos and dj flips and all that, but i think it should stop at that. as long as skiers keep the steeze in doubles and spins, im all for progression. even henriks 1620, he grabbed it almost the whole way. thats sick imo

Dec 8 2008 11:40AM
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tride
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Good god, what an arrogant statement.

Exactly why does skiing need to change? So that it suits your preferences?

Skiing is whatever each individual skier wants it to be, so do your own thing and let everybody else do theirs.
Dec 8 2008 11:44AM
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wh@t
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hmmm, i dont think thats arrogance. i think its his opinion. and we're all entitled to that. i said people should loosen up and people should be less scared to do what they want to do on their skis because of what everyone else thinks about them.
Dec 8 2008 11:52AM
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griz_lee
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Your drive to try something new is admirable but saying that 630 720 switch ups arnt fun is going a little to far. I am probly one of the biggest advocates for trying new grind on skis because i think they are fun, but do you know what else i think is fun, pretzels, switch ups and spinning as much as possible onto a rail. who said a switch 1440 cant be fun and . so please dont try to limit a persons fun by telling them that they must try these new grinds because guess what? they will get played too.
Dec 8 2008 12:23PM
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wh@t
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good points and i agree with you sw-ups and spins onto and off rails are fun!
im trying to advocate that we arent just limited to ONLY doing that. because we are capable of sooo much more than that. im not trying to limit peoples fun. by saying be open and feel open to trying new stuff how am i limiting fun?

it will be a long time before they get played bro. they wont get played. you can do a 3 and say its played because we've been doing em for 40 some years but in reality it will never be played, we're still going to do them.
Dec 8 2008 12:34PM
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jksl
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soo uhh you had to watch snowboarding to realize skiing should be about fun?????????
Dec 8 2008 12:48PM
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wh@t
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uh no. skiings always been about fun. i watch snowboarding because they're all about fun, rather than just looking cool like 90% of the skiing community's edits and films have been about for the last few years. you can have fun and be creative while still looking cool. people have forgotten that.
Dec 8 2008 12:54PM
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VTtreeskier
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I think we'll all agree that the purpose of skiing is just having the most fun you can possibly have, its why we all have such a passion for it, the times we just spend chilling on the mountain with out friends and not caring about all the outside bullshit. However i can't help but feel as if your just being a little hypocritical about this. If kids have just as much fun with pretzels as you do trying to create new ideas whats wrong with that? People are getting more and more stylish with technical tricks because its the way they want to ski. Don't get me wrong, i love seeing andy and wesson ski and how creative they got in head for hills, probably my favorite segment of the year, but i just don't see any reason to hate on kids that aren't as innovative when their still skiing for the same reason, to have a great time. Hate is the only thing wrong in the industry right now, no one should give you shit for wearing tight pants or anything like that, but for the same reason you shouldn't hate on kids throwing down technical tricks if thats what they want to do. That being that, what the fuck are the chances that everyone will ever just get along haha.
Dec 8 2008 12:58PM
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Ben.
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i kinda noticed this yesterday because this year im riding with pretty much all snowboarders. my one friend was doing all these ridiculous tree bonks and shit yesterday, and i spent most of the day trying to figure out how i would do that on skis. to be honest i havent figured it out yet, but id love to see skiing go in the Think Thank direction AS WELL as dope new doubles etc.
Dec 8 2008 1:36PM
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wh@t
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so i made a nice long thought out reply but my computers being retarded and booted me from NS.

but its 3 am here and ive got work to do so im peacin. i'll reply when i can.
Dec 8 2008 1:56PM
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[~_~]
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Backflips all around!
Dec 8 2008 2:35PM
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currentwestman
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No, that's essentially what you were saying. In the following sentences you basically said that you don't want to see big spins out of rails because it's old and doesn't excite you anymore. You want skiing to change to suit your preferences.

Then you said, "I'm not the messiah" or some shit like that. So, I'm not sure which side your taking here.
Dec 8 2008 2:56PM
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urmainman
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I definately feel you on this one. I mean I'm one of those kids who can't even slide a rail and when you guys see me or the guys who are just starting on the tech tricks you probably assume we are not being creative. But think about it, thats where you start, once you lay your foundation. And freestyle skiing for us in So Cal isnt anywhere near what it is in New England or The Rockies.  I mean its not me trying to not be creative its jsut me trying to lay a base. How are we supposed to do all that other stuff if dont even have the basics. You have to remember where you came from and were you were seasons ago.
Dec 8 2008 3:05PM
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swanton
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You're 100% right. Who cares what kind of tricks people are throwing as long as they're having fun? If people stopped hating on tricks skiing would progress a lot more because more people would try all the new tricks. I think a lot of people don't do them because they're hated on so much. No need to hate on big spins on and off of rails and switch ups too, because it's all fun.
Dec 8 2008 3:19PM
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currentwestman
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In that case, I will say you should have been more clear about it. But now that it has been cleared up, you look less narrow-minded.
Dec 8 2008 4:10PM
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ski_DC
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Quick! Everyone hate on Asian Allen!!! He is a huge tool!!
Jokes.
I agree with much of what is being said by allen, thread creator, and co. I think we need to draw from snowboarding, without blatanly copying them, whatever that means. Hot Lunch was a great example of this, in my opinion. It was such a fun movie, creative jibs, etc. Movies like that, a bunch of friends having fun and looking at features from a new aspect, show how skiing is progressing. This is not a stagnant sport, people. Just because the other styles etc are not mainstream does not mean they are not happeining. Nor should it earn any disrespect or derision.

I wrote a much more eloquent and thorough post, but it got deleted before i submitted it. My b yo.
Dec 8 2008 4:26PM
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tride
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Well then, hopefully "everyone" is really concerned with what YOU want.

What needs to change, is people thinking that the sport should revolve around their own preferences.

If someone's version of skiing is nothing more than pretzels and tall tees, well good for them, why the hell should it concern you? And who the hell are you to say what they should or shouldn't accept?

If someone else's version of skiing is racing slalom, or aerials, synchronized skiing, powder 8s, or doing twister spreads in the moguls, well right on, good for them too.

And exactly how was your quote "skiing needs to change" taken out of context? Enlighten us on how to put that quote in a context that doesn't reek of arrogance.
Dec 8 2008 4:54PM
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knal
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airblaster and think thanks mini jibs annoy the fuck out of me, not denying that shit can be incredibly fun and everyone likes to mess around on stuff but.... a movie of it does nothing for me. When i spend money on a movie i want to see thing that impress me, sure the bonks and skate like shit is kinda cool but when i see people go for shit on urban it blows my mind just cause it is so scary and hurts to much to fall. There are very different ways to have fun skiing and i respect them all, but i am much more into doin somthin that scares u so that in the end u can feel that much more satisfied with yourself. That was a rambling shitty response, but overall shit that scares me is more fun to do and watch for me
Dec 8 2008 4:55PM
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Peter.
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+1

scott stevens is the man when it comes to creative random things

just watch his videos, he takes random objects and makes them bonks and stuff
Dec 8 2008 4:57PM
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Alex_G
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some people think its fun to switch up a lot and do big spins onto rails and other tech stuff so im sorry that their view of fun isn't the same as yours. some people like pushing themselves and seeing what actually is possible. most people that you watch skiing are having the best time ever doing it.
Dec 8 2008 5:04PM
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Download-My-Apps
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do you like the smell of your own farts?
Dec 8 2008 5:35PM
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papasteeze
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Ah yep, what he said!
Dec 8 2008 6:16PM
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Treestman
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if you REALLY want skiing to change like that, go talk to all the pros and filmmakers and tell them what you want, i doubt theyll give a fuck

if you want to see skiing go somehwere like that, than head in that direction with you and your crew, make it happen.

really pointless thread
Dec 8 2008 6:24PM
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bpalmer
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can someone explain to me how doing rollerblade or snowboard tricks on skis is creative or innovative? when plenty of skiers are doing tricks that are unique to skiing

i must be an idiot i just dont get it
Dec 8 2008 7:54PM
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Skiing_Is_Fun
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So you're saying you want to see skiers doing stuff like this??...



maybe?




Dec 8 2008 8:20PM
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Kevski
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I definitely agree with this way of thinking.
To all those who don't seem to get it, he isn't hating on spinning, he's hating on the thought that lots of people have that to be cool and respected in skiing they need to do all the tricks that the big names do in comps. If they're having fun, that's great, but I think what he's getting at is that if you're only doing it because you want respect, you should take a look at yourself and rethink your priorities.

I think we all have major issues understanding each other, and that leads to all this confusion. I think we should all care less about what everyone else is doing, and just have fun the way we want. If other people like to have fun the same way, you'll have a crew. Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with skiing alone, or doing things differently than your buddies.
Dec 8 2008 8:22PM
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Twig
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Dunno about anyone else but I thought some of that was SICK.. Pressure Flip what!

And it's obvious to anyone that the thread creator, asian_allen, etc, aren't trying to say people shouldn't be spinning 630 on/ doing pretzels etc. They're just arguing the sport could stand some more creativity. with which I agree.

And for the record, selective quoting is, by definition, taking the quote out of context..
Dec 8 2008 8:36PM
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fillup
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Dustin latimer is a bad example haha, dustin is to rollerblading as JP is to skiing.
And when we are talking bout new shit, well.....
Dec 8 2008 8:36PM
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Funnel
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Hmmmmmm......... reminds me of two LINE riders

The Traveling Circus - Episode 1 - Will & Andy go to Hood from Line Skis on Vimeo.
Haha, your post made me think of Will & Andy right away.


Dec 8 2008 8:36PM
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