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Style or Difficulty??

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NeilTurener
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Should A smooth 180 with a grab start to end, beat an ugly rodeo with no grab?? i think it should...
Apr 10 2002 10:46PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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I do too, but it never will.
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Apr 10 2002 10:58PM
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SkierX
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Yah, but look at BigAir comps,it'll never happen unless there is a judging revolution.
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Apr 10 2002 11:05PM
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Mahre
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well...why not just add a grab to that rodeo and make it look good.
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Apr 10 2002 11:17PM
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FreshCoast
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Why should a trick you can barely throw be as good as a super tweaked and smooth mastered move. Unless its a new revolutionary move (for instance CR's 1440) I dont think difficulty should win over style.
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Apr 10 2002 11:23PM
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Skier10322
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you need to combine both of them. Take a super difficult trick and make it vary stylie. Iknow i am gonna here shit for this but personally, unless the rodeo REALLY sucks i would say that. I mean i can do 180 really good with grabs on big jumps, but i cant do a rodeo.

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Apr 10 2002 11:37PM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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style = difficulty. It's hard to be stylee. the real question is style vs. hucking. You have to perfect your trick so much that it makes it difficult. But a rodeo with a shitty grab will beat a 180 grab anyday.

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Apr 10 2002 11:42PM
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Big_Willy
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Theres nothing revolutionary about adding a 180 to a 1260.



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Apr 11 2002 12:04AM
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sirjibsalot
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ITs all about the style my man
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Apr 11 2002 12:25AM
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caleBCaleb
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Both!! (aka, jon olsson)
Apr 11 2002 1:01AM
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caleBCaleb
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oh yeah, belanger combines them both also and hes the styliest skier ever!!!!
Apr 11 2002 1:02AM
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ChrisMuldoon
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I'm sorry but is that even a valid question?? Style obviously!
'Defining style is impossible. It's just the way a person makes tricks look cool.'--JF
Apr 11 2002 2:43AM
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Jeff_Thomas
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'Defining style is impossible. It's just the way a person makes tricks look cool.'--JF

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Apr 11 2002 5:32AM
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NeilTurener
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But if u huck it this person does not make the trick look kool.... its still there style but it does not look good
Apr 11 2002 8:16AM
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FreshCoast
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Big_willy, I was refering to when CR did the first 1440. If its a trick never done before it definatly deserves some credit. Thats the only a time I think a forced harder trick, should be beat style.
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Apr 11 2002 8:21AM
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xdream1328
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I think u need both, style and difficulty. A huge 180 w/a crossed up tail or something is really cool, but if someone throws a backflip mute or something, I think it's better




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Apr 11 2002 8:32AM
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shawk11332
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I agree style is very important, and that is all i worked on this year, just putting solid grabs with the tricks i already knew. I think the rodeo would win for this reason. I will admit, 180's can be tricky, but if you practiced them for a solid week, they would be lookin pretty good, basically a lot of people can throw them. This is what got me when i herd JF say this in propaganda ' i see kids trying misty 10's and can't even do a nice 360 grab'


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Apr 11 2002 9:17AM
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quebecfreestyler
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I think a stylie 180 should win over a couple of shitty tricks.


but it will never happen, my flat spin 540 indy ( which are super stylie if I listen to some fellow skier from quebec) got beaten by front flips ( no grab) and a 900 ( no grab and not landed)
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Apr 11 2002 9:37AM
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skiordie
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definately style.

a stylie straight lui kang looks great, especially in the pipes~!
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Apr 11 2002 11:10AM
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dylhole
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rdoeo will always win over a 180, and it probly should too
Apr 11 2002 1:11PM
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Nine_Milla_Killa
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Thats fucked up Ced.
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Apr 11 2002 1:28PM
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Ski_Instructor_Mike
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I guess noone's listening to me.

Style is Difficult

It is hard to huck and it's hard to put style into tricks. The thing is that style hasn't gotten enought recognition as something that is difficult so hucking has always beaten it. it's starting to change now. So a trick should be judged on both of these things equally because both are hard to do.


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Apr 11 2002 2:49PM
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ChrisMuldoon
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agreed.
'Defining style is impossible. It's just the way a person makes tricks look cool.'--JF
Apr 11 2002 3:18PM
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quebecfreestyler
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Anybody could do any trick if they pratice hard enought. Making it stylie is what make skiing hard cause it does not take npratice, it takes talent.


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Apr 11 2002 3:39PM
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gretegirl
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yeah you have to give it your own style, I mean at a comp I was at the really good guys were pulling corks, rodeos, ect. But the guy who won was the guy who had this huge backflip X and it was a real site. He came to the flats of the landing and was able to stick it. And he made look like he was in the air for, forever.
Apr 11 2002 4:06PM
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LineJono
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you gotta mix it all together, cause the bigger the trick the more its worth
Apr 11 2002 4:52PM
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n00b
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c.r didnt do the first 1440.. that was done back in the by those ariel guys..
Apr 11 2002 5:18PM
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quebecfreestyler
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a back flip X should never win a comp....

Going huge dont mean you are better then those who are doing sweet stuff, it only mean that you are able to control your speed. making a backflip looking good is as easy as making a 360 looking good.

no comps should be won by a jump wih no grab tooo...
How can you master a trick if you are not able to grab it???
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Apr 11 2002 6:39PM
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BiGaIr1440
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The only way that a trick like a 180 toxic super smooth could ever win a comp is if the comp was at a small resort where inverts arent allowed. I heard about this one contest in OH where every time kids would spin as much as they could an hope they landed it. My with a 360 toxic. Style is almost everythin. U need some dificulity too. Jon Olsson is the perfect example he throws super style tricks that r very hard. he makes them look like pie
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Apr 11 2002 7:43PM
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--J()nes--
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heres a good question...What is style?



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Apr 11 2002 8:25PM
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NeilTurener
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like jeff sed erlier and what jf sed in axis magazine 'Defining style is impossible. It's just the way a person makes tricks look cool.'--JF
Apr 11 2002 8:55PM
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AppSkier
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thats right. eric pollard just floats around and he looks cool. jon olsson does huge tail grabs in everything. everyone skis different.


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Apr 11 2002 9:02PM
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quebecfreestyler
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The only way to judge style in a comp is to tell how easy it looked to do that trick.

That's why a backflip X should win comp cause they are really easy to do..

180 sounds easy, but making them look easy is hard

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Apr 12 2002 8:08AM
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dspin7x
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i dont know there is to many things that can be different to say one should always win over the other, i think the coolest looking jump should win thats pretty easy to figure out, whatever jump makes you say wow the most whatever it is should win is what i think oh well

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Apr 12 2002 2:12PM
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Jibtech
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So- now that everyone seems to have figured out that style is a good thing, or at that least they belive its a good thing cause its all everyone talks about these days- take the people everyone considers stylie: Pollard, Belanger, Larose, Deschenaux, etc. and look at what the do when they do a trick. What makes it stylie? Lack of body movement durring the trick. THEY AREN'T WAVING THEIR ARMS AROUND, if they grab they hold it the whole trick. They are low and wide on rails, not straight legged etc etc. Snowboarders have figured this one out already but you don't need to grab to make a trick look cool. Look at Devun Walsh, or Mark Frank Montoya: back country cab 9's with no grab, huge 180s with no grab and they look sick. JP Walker on rails, low wide gorrilla stance.

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Apr 12 2002 2:52PM
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FreeSkiorDie720
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Definately Style over a huck.
Apr 14 2002 4:59PM
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fakiedropdude
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since you can´t really judge style it´s always gonna be tech over style in comps.




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Apr 14 2002 5:03PM
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