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Lincoln Loop, First Invert (good or bad idea?)

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RMillz
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So i can nail lincoln on the tramp 100% of the time
and i cant do backflips (friggin scared of them) and i wanna do an invert this year so i decided on lincolns
I can also frontflip 100% of the time but it seemed like Lincoln would be easier on skies cause no tip in the way.
so i was wonderin if this is an acceptable plan or if im gunna get hirt tryin lincoln as my first invert

help.
Nov 17 2008 4:36PM
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SirFryanator
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it hurts way less to overrotate a backflip than it does a front. lincolns are more awkward on skis than they are on a tramp. plus when you land that first backflip it actually helps you so much to progress with other flips, takes away a lot of fear.
Nov 17 2008 4:40PM
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pb2co
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im in the exact same situation, and where do you think is the jump to try it on park jump or small cliff into pow??
Nov 17 2008 4:41PM
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396222687862
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i can front flip and lincoln on tramps consistently, no hesitation. back flips i hesitate a bet, sometimes puss out. my first flip i threw was a front flip on skis, it was pretty easy once you get the balls. i'd say go for front first. i know my next is a lincoln.
Nov 17 2008 4:42PM
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RMillz
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Has anyone gotten really hurt trying a lincoln?
and i was thinking of doing it off a little booter into some pow (good/bad)?
Nov 17 2008 4:51PM
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RMillz
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+ karma to all who help ^
Nov 17 2008 4:51PM
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Drail
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lincoln's are easy - just keep your eyes fixed on something to stop yourself from getting sidways (or go with the sidewaysness and land switch...) for the most part the fear factor is lower than a front or back because you don't take your eye's off your landing which for most people is the scary part of the front/back... really though backflips are really easy, once you start trying them you'll realize there's nothing to be scared of.
Nov 17 2008 4:53PM
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SirFryanator
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if you build a little booter I honestly suggest you try a backflip. they are NOT hard. lincolns are much harder since you have to rotate around your head, rather than just the natural way to lean back. But if you are going to do a lincoln, you should try it off a small booter, yes. and just try to whip it around the first couple times. floating them is wicked fun though when you get them on lock, same with backflips.
Nov 17 2008 4:53PM
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babujib
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yeah dude lincolns are a good first invert trick, theyre the first ones that i learned, but in the beguinning you might spin a little but i think its extraordinarily difficult to hurt yourself severely on a lincoln so i would go with that for sure
Nov 17 2008 4:54PM
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RMillz
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Yeah just fucking scared of a backy
Nov 17 2008 4:56PM
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K.C.Deane
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do it!! that was my second invert. but i did a backy and stomped that second try. and a lincoln if you can stomp it on the tramp its easy on skis cuz you can see the landing the whole time if you stay on rotation. Id say you got it.
Nov 17 2008 4:56PM
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inactive
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i tried learning backflips last year, oh it was misrable. not a great flip to learn
Nov 17 2008 5:01PM
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NCurry
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definitaly lincoln would be the least scary to try.
my first invert was eggroll and thats one of the easiest tricks i know now. and one of the funnest too. if i were you i would def try a licoln first and into pow off a decent kicker like you said.
you will prolly land it first try. flips are awesome.
Nov 17 2008 5:05PM
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RMillz
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That was inspiring
makes me wanna try it even more
Nov 17 2008 5:08PM
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orange.
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backflips are really scary the first time but once you do it, it is like easier than a 3. ive done fronts lincolns and backs (claim) but backflips are the easiest
Nov 17 2008 5:09PM
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WILCOX
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i feel the same way i think the lincoln loop would be much EZer
Nov 17 2008 5:13PM
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Peter.
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i am currently in the process of learning them on a tramp, with the help of my friend whos a gymnast

not a fun flip
Nov 17 2008 5:15PM
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Half-Blood
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Backflips are by far one of the easiest tricks ever, you can spot your landing through almost the whole rotation. All there is to it is to commit, and not bail out when your upside down. I learned backs my third day skiing way before I could ever 3. Your fist one will be kind of scary but if you commit you'll be fine.

With that being said, I'd go for which ever one you feel most comfortable with and that is lincoln loops. But its the same as with backs you just have to commit to it. Most the time your gonna get hurt is when you bail halfway through a trick.
Nov 17 2008 5:23PM
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Rainbow*Stylin
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The difficulty with lincolns is that you have to set them right... with front and back you can kinda of adjust your spinning speed in the air/ land a little back of front seat to compensate... with lincolns its a lot more difficult to adjust... having said that I have both over and underrotated them without any major catastrophe... you just kinda bail to your side, i did this on a spring time park jump... i would suggest front frist, thats the first invert i learned and its kinda hard to land but the least intimidating in my opinion... lincoln wouldnt be horrible to start on, just know you have to set it a lot harder than on a tramp... good luck bro
Nov 17 2008 5:26PM
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inactive
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Nov 17 2008 5:30PM
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hedgehog
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my first flip type trick was a misty flip, those are pretty easy too. 2nd was a flat spin. this year id like to learn lincolns, fronts and backs. and switch backs.
Nov 17 2008 5:31PM
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InfernoHits
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backflips arent that important. Honestly, I still hate backflipping, but I can rodeo, lincoln, cork, misty, everything else other than backflip. So just go with what you feel most confident doing
Nov 17 2008 6:30PM
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riddsicle
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the first time i did a lincoln, i landed it, but i broke my thumb, haha
but the first flip and easiest ive landed was a frontflip
Nov 17 2008 6:41PM
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pRETTyLight5
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i say BAD BAD BAD idea. i wreeeecked myself trying a lincoln for my first invert. fronts were my first landed but i can honestly say they still scare me 3 years later. they are blind and you just have to guess kinda. backs are really easy actually. have a friend spot you on a tramp.. like do a back handspring and just commit when you try them on the tramp and dont puss out on the snow or you will hurt yourself
Nov 17 2008 7:00PM
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shawk
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I personally think lincoln's are easy, but a lot of people say cork 7's are easy too and I think they are hard as hell.   Everyone flips / spins differently.  Whatever you do decide to do the most important thing is to COMMIT TO THE TRICK.  Don't freak out in the middle of it because that is when people break themselves.  Try it on something soft.  If you can't do a back on a tramp or a gainer off a diving board, I don't think a back is the best way to start.  I actually learned lincolns by doing a flare in the pipe first then taking it to a jump.  You can try it on a soft day in the pipe.  If you throw it hard you only need to get maybe a foot out of the pipe.  Lincolns are my favorite trick, I hope you stomp one soon.  Watch some vids too, that always helps. 
Nov 17 2008 7:43PM
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518
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i cant say, i know i can slay on a rope swing, like fronts, backs, lincolns and rodeos and all kinds of stuff, but i havnt brought any of that to skiing.  Im going to start with backs and work my way up
Nov 17 2008 7:48PM
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BEARS.
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it was for me, and i tried em off a natural hit. /claim.
Nov 17 2008 7:50PM
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johnnypsunami
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same here, misty just made the most sense to me in my mind.

I think with any flip trick you just gotta huck it a lot harder than you would on a tramp. like the hardest you ever have.

I'm thinking of trying a lincoln this year as well. I have tried them into pow a couple times and kept ending up doing rodeo 5s. gotta keep my eyes on the horizon.

Nov 17 2008 7:51PM
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Malcolm
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i guaruntee youll change your mind after doing a bunch of them
Nov 17 2008 7:51PM
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mattytru
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my first invert was a rodeo, so i guess it totally is whatever you want to try/feel confortable with. maybe go for a lincoln but spin it into a rodeo
Nov 17 2008 7:52PM
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fsscott
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I wanna try lincons but backies are soooooo easy! i mean i can almost do them on flat ground and probably off of a curb if i was trying, lincons no so much but i love the fact that you can see the ground the whole way
Nov 17 2008 7:54PM
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inactive
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if you wanna, try the butter sommersault-flip things
Nov 17 2008 7:57PM
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OneLove_skier
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No i tried it once of a jump it to some packed pow and i sorta landed on my butt/side and it didnt hurt at all
Nov 17 2008 7:57PM
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BEARS.
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the wallisch mexican windmill?
Nov 17 2008 7:59PM
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jp_draves
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dont lincon your first invert thats a terrible idea, you WILL over rotate and over rotating a lincon is bad news (dislocated shoulder, broken collerbone just to name a few).

backies are easy as hell just do that its all about commiting because you just get a good pop and just keep looking for that landing and as soon as you see that landing you can either stall that backie out or whip your legs around for the landing.

do a backie, dont get discouraged you will over rotate the first few times but its really not all bad.

Nov 17 2008 7:59PM
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MOGULS...
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A lincoln loop is a wonderful first invert, I did them at momentum this summer and they were rather easy.

just pick a point on the horizion keep your eyes on that and then just and huck it. if you dont keep your eyes on the horizion youll accidentally make it an underflip

as for getting hurt, I over rotated it once and landed on my side, it wasnt too bad just lost a ski

Nov 17 2008 8:03PM
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Flowsion
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lincoln was my first invert. i got it down stat on the tramp flipping both ways and then took it to the snow. i did it on a slushy day on a small jump. it was slow so my first attempt i didnt get enough air and tapped the top of my helmet on the snow before landing on my side. got a little more speed and tried a few more times. i wasn't making it all the way around, but the falls didn't hurt because it was just on my sides. i figured out the key importance of tucking, and then they came around everytime. i was afraid i would smash a pole in my face, so i learned without them. it was easier in my mind without the poles. after getting comfy i picked the poles up again and learned with them. havent done them in a few years since i don't get to ski as much as i used to, but definitely want to throw them sometime soon again.
Nov 17 2008 8:18PM
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crunkasfuck
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if its onto soft snow, go for it, but as far as inverts go i would start with backs and then progress to fronts ect....
Nov 17 2008 8:27PM
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RMillz
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+ karma all ^

Anyone know any good clips of lincoln loops i can watch?
im also planning on doin Lincolns on the tramp while holdn poles to cover problem someone mentioned above
Nov 17 2008 9:34PM
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Happy.
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I kinda have to disagree with you. I know what you are saying, but at the same time tucking/untucking can affect how fast/slow you are spinning almost as much as with blackflips. I plan on learning all 3 this year, and will probably try a lincoln first. I landed it first try on a tramp and they just seem really easy to me and landing sideways doesnt bother me. It's really up to you.
Nov 17 2008 9:45PM
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T_K
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i could front, back, and lincoln on the tramp and diving board before i tried an invert. i tried a backflip first but i perfected a lincoln loop first and i like going for lincoln better...i like keeping my eyes looking ahead. its alot easier than you think, but so is backflip. i'd say if you can nail them on the tramp then you might wreck once for each trick and nail it the second time. seriously, its that easy, just scary.
Nov 17 2008 9:49PM
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Leo.
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my buddys first invert was a lincoln to the right...it took him a few tries but he has them down now realll well.  I would say if you have em down on a tramp youre in good shape.
Nov 17 2008 9:58PM
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Jwalk
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thats what i do on the tramp and to the thread creator i am wondering the same
Nov 17 2008 10:03PM
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cobalt
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Yeah, lincoln should be fine for a first invert. if you screw up, it's likely that you'll land on your side, which doesn't hurt that badly. also, you can keep looking forward the whole time which might make you more comfortable than a backflip where you have to lose the landing.

Someone said earlier that backflips help you learn other inverts easier. Backflips are good, but I think lincolns also can help you transition into rodeos and such pretty easily, so it just depends on what kind of tricks you're looking for.
Nov 17 2008 10:14PM
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RMillz
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Yeah i do.. and ive been looking at things far away to practice on a ski jump
Nov 17 2008 10:15PM
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pRETTyLight5
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biggest mistake i made trying lincolns: you dont pop the same off snow as you do on a tramp!! its a lot more upper body on snow. you can pop different off a tramp so be careful
Nov 18 2008 12:09AM
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chicken
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Lincoln was my first flip on skis. I would not suggest it. It is completly different than on a tramp (unless you are setting lincolns on tramps more like rodeo/flat 3's) Doing a lincoln on skis it is really easy to rush it and land backseat, in fact once I learned backflip I started to throw my lincoln's more like them and actually do it the opposite way on skis than my natural way on tramp.

Try a backflip for your first flip, or even a rodeo. These tricks are alot better if you rush them off the takeoff than a lincoln is. You also have a way better view of the trick belive it or not, once you roll/flip over you see your landing for the rest of the trick
Nov 18 2008 2:50AM
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hartig
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biggest mistake on my first few inverts:
i switched forwards for backwards in my "misty attempts"
i got real good at rodeos though
then i just did lincolns
Nov 18 2008 4:33AM
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Gnar21
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You Tube on my Page Gnar2104 video is Lincoln 1, and lincoln. Little kicker on Cameron pass. Exactly what you need! 

I'm gonna be trying the back 1st then lincoln. Only on a pow jump tho

Nov 18 2008 4:11PM
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RMillz
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^ that was a good video thanks
Nov 18 2008 4:47PM
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Holte
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I can't lincoln loop if my life depended on it. They all turn into really corked 3s or underflips of death. I'd recommend backies as a first invert or fronts if you're more comfortable with them on a tramp. But if you're really solid on lincolns, go for it. Find a twenty foot step up or step over that's not too risky, and you'll probably be fine.
Nov 18 2008 5:29PM
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