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Nihiriju
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Hey, what do you guys think the deal with punk is right now? is it dieng cuz ll of these...poser? is it just growing?...chnaging the world? being re-born? like whats the deal? right now i liek a lot of alexisonfire, story of the year, the unseen, sloppy meateaters, hot hot heat, rise against, anti-flag, guttermouth and yea too many more...still goat remmebr fun stuff too like blink and NFG..!


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Nov 11 2003 5:23PM
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gravteck
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Punk doesn't have to be synonymous with liberalism. I'm a moderate conservative, and I grew up on Bad Religion, Pennywise, Minor Threat, Circle Jerks, and Misfits. Just because punk has branched off into different states doesn't mean it's dead. Try telling that to kids who are still driving hours into bordering states to go see shows of indie bands or whoever. You don't have to protest war to be punk. Social or political commentary can be of any nature or on any side and still be punk music. I'm 20 now, so I guess I've been listening to this shit for like 9 or 10 years now. I don't care what you wear at a show. I've never been caught dead in bondage pants, spiked bracelets, or leather jackets. People wear clothes that are conducive to their lifestyle, and that is staying true to theirselves. That would seem to follow punk ideology if you ask me. I wear my 'skater' clothes (shoes, cargos, and probably a band or company t-shirt) to shows, like I wear them everywhere else. Kids in the scene may be pissed about bands being displayed on MTV, but they aren't abandoning the music because of it. Those kids that are drawn to that kind of music probably wouldn't have gotten into 'real' punk anyway. Who cares what MTV shows as punk, who cares that 'real' punk is misunderstood because of it. Isn't being misunderstood a niche punk has carried since its inception?
Nov 26 2003 11:06PM
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jarossamdb7
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you being a moderate conservitive and all, you can't honestly and fully belive what those bands have to say is the right thing though, can you?
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Nov 26 2003 11:19PM
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Hepcat1000000000
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^ That's not what matters, it's if you like the music. I personally don't think anarchy would be a good idea, but i still LOVE NOFX (of course i have no doubt that our gov't is corrupt, but that's besides the point) Too many people get the punk lifestyle mixed up with the punk music! They are different things and just because you're into one doesn't mean you have to be into the other. I love punk, hell my cousin is the drummer in the casualties. But i don't go out and spike my 'hawk and dye my hair whenever i go to a show. It's all about that music, cuz in the end that's all it is.
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Emo kids don't cry because they're sad all the time, they cry because they have to listen to that horrible music all the time. I'd cry if i had to listen to that over and over and over....wouldn't you?
Nov 26 2003 11:38PM
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gravteck
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Of course I don't agree with everything they say. But the points I disagree on with them is stuff I can respect. It also results in me being exposed to opinions that I maybe wouldn't have been exposed to. I can listen to Anti-Flag and totally agree with what they have to say on tolerance of homosexuals and people of all races. I hate bigotry. I can agree with a lot of social commentary these bands sing about as well. Being a moderate conservative also doesn't mean I blindly support everything a conservative government does, especially war. I find that a lot of liberal punk bands are just pacifist in nature. I disregard pacifism as too idealistic, and I believe war is sometimes a necessary utility (sadly). I still enjoy the music and respect their message. Just because I don't agree with some liberal messages doesn't mean I'm not gaining something from hearing it.
Nov 26 2003 11:55PM
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jibfiend
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I still think after listening to all this shit. Punk is what you make of it. Doing what you want to do and nothing less. If someone tells you not to do something and you really want to do it and you go and do it. Thats more punk than listening to a few bands and wearing a studded blet and all that shit. Punk is slowly dying, all the kids that listen to 'punk' as they call it today dont see the beginnig of punk as it was, with the Ramones, Sex Pistols and The Clash. They dont even know about the bands that influnced everything they listen to now a days. And thats whats killing punk music.
Nov 30 2003 8:07AM
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lagwagon
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just shut the fuck up.
FUCK ME!
Dec 2 2003 1:25AM
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lanks
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i have a soution to this argument: listen to hardcore.
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'I heard that Richard Gere gerbils. That is, he inserts gerbils into a paper towel tube, which he then sticks up his butthole. I don't doubt this, because he asked me if i wanted to come over to his house and gerbil. I insisted that he come over to MY house, since the whole thing seemed weird. As a practical joke, i attached a bucket of water to the top of the door so that when he opened it, I beat him with a mannequin leg.'-Skydaddy
Dec 2 2003 3:44PM
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lanks
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i have a solution to this argument: listen to hardcore.
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'I heard that Richard Gere gerbils. That is, he inserts gerbils into a paper towel tube, which he then sticks up his butthole. I don't doubt this, because he asked me if i wanted to come over to his house and gerbil. I insisted that he come over to MY house, since the whole thing seemed weird. As a practical joke, i attached a bucket of water to the top of the door so that when he opened it, I beat him with a mannequin leg.'-Skydaddy
Dec 2 2003 3:44PM
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ChrisTheDrummer2006
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punks just being drowned by shitty bands like Simple Plan and GC. And stores like Hot Topic giving 13 year old GC fans the idea that spikes and chains make them punks. I'm not really a punk and I don't listen to a lot of underground punk bands, but I know what punk is and all these shitty bands and stupid people are ruining it.
Dec 3 2003 8:57PM
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freeskiBC
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How many emo's does it take to screw in a lightbulb....none theyll just sit there n cry aobut it anyways. dont knmow if thats how it goes, but u get the gist of it.
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Dec 5 2003 11:02AM
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its on a cycle. well, pop culture is losing its fascination with punk music once again, slowly the fad will die out, bands will be more underground and once again, only 'cool' people that liked it and understood it all along will listen to punk. that is until it goes mainstream again and every fag and his cousin has spiky hair and studded clothes. just another turn of wheel...

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'Dude, check out this nasty gouge.'
'Your mom has a nasty gouge.'

im just gonna sling crystal meth so i dont have to get a real job and can afford to ski, with the way my senior year is goin though thats probably one of my few options
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Dec 5 2003 12:58PM
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marlin_102
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i dont even consider groups like good charlotte to be punk. its pop. pop is just short for popular and its noting more than popular music. punk will always be 'underground' and not mainstream.


'ghostdragon is like milk. sometimes when it sits too long in thr fridge it gets crusty things around the cap that sometimes fall into your glass when your not careful.' - cj


'if you love something, fuck it in the ass...if it screams, cries and bleeds toss it in the dumpster...if anything else, you've got yourself a keeper' - Alpentalik

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Dec 5 2003 3:49PM
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then why are punk bands, whether you call them punk or not, topping pop music charts???

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'Dude, check out this nasty gouge.'
'Your mom has a nasty gouge.'

im just gonna sling crystal meth so i dont have to get a real job and can afford to ski, with the way my senior year is goin though thats probably one of my few options
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Dec 5 2003 4:46PM
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marlin_102
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my point is that those bands hitting top 40 arent punk. they're pop.


'ghostdragon is like milk. sometimes when it sits too long in thr fridge it gets crusty things around the cap that sometimes fall into your glass when your not careful.' - cj


'if you love something, fuck it in the ass...if it screams, cries and bleeds toss it in the dumpster...if anything else, you've got yourself a keeper' - Alpentalik

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Dec 5 2003 10:45PM
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guitarman
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The Clash is punk. They defined punk. London Calling is said to be one of the greatest albums to ever go on shelves. They paved the way for other punk bands, the bands who really were punk. Unfortuantely, today we have bands that ruin this tradition by turning punk into pop. Punk is dead on MTV, but punk still thrives in the clubs and streets waiting to make a comeback.
Dec 8 2003 7:33PM
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PimPnJibb
Posts: 137 - Karma: 10
What Do you all think about bands like,
Pennywise
NOFX
MillenColin
Bad Religion
Dead Kennedys
Dec 21 2003 10:52PM
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Line1260
Posts: 1946 - Karma: 14
comeback my ass. its too pretentious and arrogant to gain any mainstream acceptance. thats not punk, you know. even if the casualties(complete by the book fashion punx) put an album on the charts that sounds like every one of their other worthless records, johnny punkypunk would say that they sold out.


'He got fired? What did he do?'
'He jumped off of the roof again'
Dec 21 2003 10:57PM
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dilla_says_go
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my band opened for the casualties back in the day. they sucked almost as bad as we did. fuck all of you, everybody that has posted in this thread should get ebola.
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'honesty is the best policy. just tell your boss his daughter is one fine piece of ace and she wants your boneware and you feel its only proper that you take her cherry. but not to worry, you'll lube it up and ease it in. like a gentleman.' ~ 221

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Dec 22 2003 6:53PM
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rellik
Posts: 116 - Karma: 11
the best band that ever happened to punk music is millencolin. they are from sweden
Dec 23 2003 6:11AM
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Line1260
Posts: 1946 - Karma: 14
they dont do anyting that hasnt already happened ten times over. its boring. lately, good stuff happening to punk music is Supersuckers.


'He got fired? What did he do?'
'He jumped off of the roof again'
Dec 23 2003 7:12PM
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cobble_hills
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yeah millencolin is pretty good
Jan 30 2004 6:07PM
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l_KeViN_l
Posts: 2108 - Karma: 16
to everyone who posted before me
GO TO A LOCAL INDY SHOW
not only will you see some decent real punk rockers, you'll get into a whole undiscovered world of good/affordable music that talk about more then getting dumped and going skateboarding.
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Jan 30 2004 9:41PM
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freeride1260
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nofx and rancid dont blow ass.. sorry but they definately rule


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-Whats so fucking wrong, and whats so anti-establishment about the idea of peace? Why is wanting to know the truth so anti establishment?

These aren't anti-establishment ideas, these are Pro fucking peace ideas-
Jan 30 2004 10:16PM
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freeskisquaw
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OK.

Yep.
Feb 2 2004 12:17AM
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alpinecowboy84
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there is no completely effective way of tracing the roots to music genres, that is especially true with punk. depending on who you talk to there are tons of bands that are punk that you would never have thought of. so while it is easy to define the core bands of punk, it can be difficult to say what is not punk. (although good charlotte is definately not punk). some people say that the who, or fucking elvis laid the foundation for punk. look if you want some reliable answers go to a punk record store, not fucking sam goodie. or turn off mtv and go get a book about it.
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Alpinecowboy84 is a fucking fag
Feb 2 2004 5:18AM
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lj5
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punk is just music nothing more
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Feb 2 2004 11:32AM
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handheld
Posts: 49 - Karma: 10
hey im in a band, i avoid genres cause people get all uppity about shit like that. check it out if you like, here is an mp3. feedback is cool...

http://handheldonline.ca/hhmp3/hh004/04-Dignified%20Response.mp3

www.handheldonline.ca
Feb 3 2004 10:39AM
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deeznutz
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YouRe! All retaRded!


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Feb 3 2004 11:13AM
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freeride1260
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dude handheld that was sick


Anti-Flag

-Whats so fucking wrong, and whats so anti-establishment about the idea of peace? Why is wanting to know the truth so anti establishment?

These aren't anti-establishment ideas, these are Pro fucking peace ideas-
Feb 3 2004 11:33AM
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handheld
Posts: 49 - Karma: 10
thanks freeride, anyone else?
Feb 4 2004 1:13PM
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born_to_explode
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You wanna know why punk is all of a sudden 'cool'? It's not cause your precious punk is being sold out to MTV. Its cause of punk's image as being rebellious against authority and some some jackass saying 'we'll pierce something and get pissed off, then we'll play songs about how much being a teenager sucks and sell millions records to kids who want punk in a bottle. All the people who get pissed off about simple plan cause 'they're killing punk!' don't even know what punk is. People who are truely 'punk' realize that this fake crap on MTV is completely unrelated to the punk that they love and live. I personally don't like true, old school, diy, 'punk', I like the stuff like millencolin and pennywise. The reason punk is getting sacraficed to the public is because of the appeal of the 'your can't tell me what to do.' image to people. Thats why you don't see anyone ripping off hardcore. the closest thing there is to ripping off hardcore is bands like Slipknot, and they don't even claim to be hardcore. they're 'nu-metal'. Why you ask? Simple, hardcore has the same badass image of punk, but it has an image of impenetrable brotherhood as well. MTV can't sell brotherhood and I am awful glad they can't.
I would approve if you died...
Feb 4 2004 5:48PM
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ATLANTASKI
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i listen to pop punk bands like homegrown, brand new and allister to get me pumped for skiing whats so bad about that. im a prep but i still rock out to punk rock. i dont give a shit that im not into anarchy and stuff anti flag and nofx sing about. as long as it gets me to throw down, i dont care. its good music.
Feb 6 2004 7:30PM
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Hepcat1000000000
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There's nothing wrong with liking their music, at least to normal, intelligent, unbiased people. However, there IS something wrong with calling them hardcore and thinking you're a streetpunk because you listen to Starting Line and Brand New (i know, that's kind of pushing it...). People who like punk music don't care when poseurs listen to punk and pop-punk, they care when when poseurs listen to it and consider themselves all 'hardcore.' It's lying to themselves and others, and it's fucking annoying!
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Emo kids don't cry because they're sad all the time, they cry because they have to listen to that horrible music all the time. I'd cry if i had to listen to that over and over and over....wouldn't you?
Feb 6 2004 8:35PM
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ATLANTASKI
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yea dude totally it was so annoying when my ex gf wears all abercrombie and has like an 800 dollar purse one day , and then the next day she wears like the punk out fit lindsey lohan has on in freaky friday- and says shes all punk
Feb 7 2004 5:49PM
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D-rocket
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^ that woudl annoy me , i try andstay away form ppl like that ... but punk isso damn reptitiveit bores the shit out of me even this so called 'unseen' real punk its all stupidly repetitive , ranomdn yellign the same stupid shit , holy i used ot lsiten to punk and i liked it and its fucking stupid. emo is decent bcuz they actually have a beat not jamming powerchords on the guitar and the yactually sing , the list goes on , thats just my opinion if some1 likes punk thats fine but for the people who try and rdress all punked out, thats not really original or different as your trying ot be since your just following the image and its ridiculosue , your no big rebel , most punks talk abotu hwo bad the government is you guys just read punk kings articles on how bad it is you never look ast both side of the story and you just agree and tlka trahs bcuz its so coollll and your such a big rebel



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Feb 7 2004 6:55PM
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D-rocket
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okok im not done... like this guy just reads stuypid phat mike quoptes on how bad the governemtn is and then rehearses them like he made them up himself he doesnt know shit about wha tehssaying, and this girl goes aroudn acting liek shes siooem huge punk being all i hate hippies she doesnt even know what a hippie is ? why would yuo hate a hippie who are they hurting what they want peace oh no!!!! thats so terrible because theyre so cool. .... stupid now im done



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Feb 7 2004 6:57PM
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blind_five
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For one, punk is not dead. If it was then this thread wouldn't exist, right? And two, for those who are looking toward the future of punk, then it is this simple... Death From Above. These guys are living in a van, touring all over North America, just to tell everyone who comes to their shows to fuck off. Check 'em out. Three, what is destroying punk is VJs. George can lick nuts.

No one on their death bed has ever said 'I wish I had played it safe'
Feb 8 2004 6:33PM
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Hepcat1000000000
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Physkic (or however your name was spelled....) you can't hate punk based on those people. Those people are poseurs, and they are the ones that are ruining the punk scene. I know quite a few 'punks' that are well aware of teh current world situation and are very intellectual individuals. I personally hate the American government in its current situation, and in general i don't really like Republicans. However power is corrupt, and likewise the government will always be, as well. Don't base your opinions about punks on what a few poseurs lie about. And the next time they recite some NOFX shit to you and try to sound intelligent, be a real punk and punch 'em in the fucking face!
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FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO SKANK!

Emo kids don't cry because they're sad all the time, they cry because they have to listen to that horrible music all the time. I'd cry if i had to listen to that over and over and over....wouldn't you?
Feb 8 2004 7:18PM
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