http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IHGJ50/sr=1-1/qid=1225037092/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=audio-video&qid=1225037092&sr=1-1
or
http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Stone-Plus-Player-Black/dp/B000S5TYQI/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&s=audio-video&qid=1225036896&sr=1-28
I can't decide. this would be used for skiing/running/active stuff. one has 2 gigs, but i know apple makes quality products, and itunes is a really nice program to sync with.
Help?