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The reason i like Barack Obama

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Ben.
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I know that JD hates when people paste articles, but this kind of sums up one of the things i like most about the guy.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1853025-1,00.html
Oct 23 2008 10:41PM
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J.D.
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We've always had a policy of banning people for slurs (especially where used gratuitously), whether they be racial or otherwise. Recently Doug has proposed going much more aggressively after people spreading unwarranted hate on the site, as well. So if you can't keep it civil and at least stick to calling each other stupid, you'll be asked to leave the site. Well, actually, not asked, you just will.
Oct 28 2008 2:16AM
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JayDope
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im soo sick of seeing u be soo negative about everything, u think its virtually almost impossible for someone in the ghetto to come out of poverty, its NOT get that through ur head! and dont tell me to give u an example or back myself up, becuase sooooooo many ppl in here have already done so, but u seem to just be mocking them and calling them "unintelligent" well let me ask u this, what makes u soo intelligent that u can say they are wrong and u r right? its really getting rediculous about how u feel we should give soo much to the poor...
Oct 28 2008 3:19AM
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Alex_G
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just as long as you guys know that the gnarly shit i say is almost always joking and i'm never really serious, that sounds legit.
Oct 28 2008 4:06AM
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Dustin.
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Actually both sides of my family made their way from poverty (in my mom's case VERY extreme, like "soup kitchen for dinner kids") and they now enjoy the benefits of their hard work.  I find it ridiculous that you criticize people with opinions on poverty as you sit there on your Apple notebook and rant.  My parents are firm believers in the American dream because they both sacked up and worked hard.  Anyone can do it if they try.  To say otherwise, unless you are talking about physical disability, is bullshit.
Oct 28 2008 9:39AM
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Dustin.
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Oh I see, your talking about my grandfather who was in fact a dirt poor illegal immigrant until he earned enough to become legal.  He became a chemical engineer after earning enough to go to college.  Do you have another example?  The one you gave was of a person who just accepted their status and complained about it.
Oct 28 2008 9:42AM
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Dustin.
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You keep saying "the system is set up" but I fail to see how the system disallows people to work.  People wouldn't come here from all over the world to find work if it didn't exist, so what are you talking about?!?!?
Oct 28 2008 9:45AM
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Dustin.
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But brooooooooooooooo!  He knows all about it because he has so much life experience in this area!!!!!
Oct 28 2008 9:49AM
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tahoed
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I swear if some of you changed the amount of time that you bitch the same thing to the same people unwilling to accept your ideas about taxes, to work hours for actual money, you would have more money than any politician will ever tax you.
Oct 29 2008 6:17AM
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grown-ninja
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the reasons i like Obama:
he wants to give amnesty, social security, welfare, and drivers licenses to illegal aliens
he want to have a national healthcare system
he has little/ no foreign policy experience
he's a senator of 143 days and personality i'd prefer a congressman or governor to run
he spent 500,000 getting the american flag remover off his plain and replaced with the obama sign
he's against our second amendment rights (do not tell me he is not look at what happened to Chicago)
people vote for him primarily due to his color not because of his political is ideologies
and he wants to cut taxes for people making under 250 000 thats 95 percent of the country, with a deficit we have and all the new spending obama is proposing even taxing the wealthy will not make up for all this money a 2 year old could figure this out to cut taxes you need to cut spending it doesn't work the other way around

but than again i'm not a fan or mcCain either
Oct 29 2008 8:40AM
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dylhole
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And you think the Republican party is planning tax cuts? 
Oct 29 2008 11:22AM
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skiminnesota
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you guys need to look into what Obama is spewing. because the top 5% of Americans start at 150k not 250k. it is also indisputable fact that the bottom 50% of Americans only pay 2.9% of the countries taxes. 

so if Obama says tax cuts for 95% of americans, and then turns around and talks about 250k, he is either dumb? or blatently lieing? pandering? or misleading MOST of americans.
Oct 29 2008 11:34AM
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Ben.
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they both do it. and either way were fucked. it just comes down to who you think is gonna fuck us less.
Oct 29 2008 2:16PM
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Ben.
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you also dont call people faggot and queer like this kid did
Oct 29 2008 2:16PM
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Ben.
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first of all, i never said that. second of all, i live in chicago, you live in summit county. which one of us do you suppose has a bigger poor population/more ghettos. i may not know it first hand, but ive certainly lived around it more than you.
Oct 29 2008 2:18PM
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Ben.
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so the millions of people that live with barely enough food are choosing to do that i suppose? i think not
Oct 29 2008 2:19PM
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J.D.
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Okay try and follow me now, genius.

"You will get a tax cut."
"You will not see your taxes increase."

See how those are entirely different things? 95% of Americans get a tax cut. Those under 250k will not see a tax increase. So, those between 150k and 250k may not pay less tax, depending on how their finances are set up (the source of your income, be it employment, business, rent, capital dispositions, interest, royalties etc etc etc affects the tax you pay),  but they won't pay more, either. Okay? Okay.
Oct 29 2008 2:30PM
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An10a_Eng
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it is a shame that i can only rate you a 10. there are not enough words to say how right  you are
Oct 29 2008 2:30PM
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skiminnesota
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Barack needs some better writers. hahahahahahahahahaha! 

95% = 150k..... NOT 200k.

so what is it, 200k? is it 150k like Biden has been spouting? i need some sort of explanation here Barack.





Oct 29 2008 5:03PM
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Ben.
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you do realize how ridiculous your nitpicking is, so his percentages are off. its based on incomes not percentages. even if it was 150k who cares? they are still damn well off (and im not just saying that, if it was 150k it would affect my family)
Oct 29 2008 5:11PM
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skiminnesota
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ben, that is because his numbers have been steadily going down. at a rally in July it was 250k and under get a tax cut.

But Senator Obama has not always been precise discussing that policy. He has suggested that workers making less than $250,000 would also receive a tax cut. For example, Senator Obama said, "If you make $250,000 a year or less, we will not raise your taxes. We will cut your taxes."

http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/28/1603288.aspx 


now Biden is saying 150k thats 100k of difference between july and now.

further more if he thinks he can be president of the USA he really should know that HIS numbers do not match up.
Oct 29 2008 5:19PM
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Ben.
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and mccain cant agree on jack shit with his vp. they call a diva and i forget what else. also its the campaign, his tax plan probably isnt totally finalized yet.
Oct 29 2008 5:23PM
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smuggsVT
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increasing taxes at this point is only going to send us further into a recession.   this is because consumer spending will drop which will fuck our economy in the ass.
Oct 29 2008 5:48PM
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Ben.
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will it? His plan only taxes the richest people in america, people that probably would not be THAT affected by it overall, and would continue to spend just as they do now. PLUS, tax cuts for the lower classes would most likely result in more spending by them.

this isnt getting into the moral aspect of it, (i realize people think differently on that) but purely from an economic standpoint i dont think it will really kill our economy.
Oct 29 2008 5:53PM
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Parkboy
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Despite the McCain campaign talking points "why would you raise anyones taxes," he proposes to do just that. It's a matter of reading the fine writing on the wall. He is going to tax healthcare benefits which is a disaster, especially for union workers, who often receive an incredible healthcare plan.
Oct 29 2008 6:15PM
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GGreene
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who really gives a fuck if obama is a little bit more socialist than some of our previous presidents?
most of the socialist countries in europe seem to be doing way better than we are.
Oct 29 2008 6:44PM
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Parkboy
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Anyone who really thinks Obama is a socialist is either

A. Grossly Misinformed

or

B. Intentionally trying to mislead others by claiming it.

keep in mind, either way, you're stupid.



Oct 29 2008 7:10PM
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canuck
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What do you think "spread the wealth around " means? You are stupid for thinking he is not a socialist.
Oct 29 2008 7:28PM
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Coalescent
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The Reason I DONT like Barack Obama is,

What has he shown that he can do for our country.  I agree with ATL on the first page.  He is telling us all what we want to hear.  Of course every candidate will tell us that, but he has NEVER even run his own business, served in the us military or shown and MAJOR leadership credentials.  How do we know how someone will act under pressure if they have never done anything even close to receiving the pressure they will receive when in office.

Oct 29 2008 7:34PM
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Rajna
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You Suck.
Socialism is sooo much more than "spreading around the wealth". stop spreading ignorance.

de-regulation was working really well with our economy and such for george bush, its not like were mid recession or anything.

greedy fucking republicans.
Oct 29 2008 7:34PM
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canuck
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Actuallly at it's very core, socialism is "spreading the wealth around"
Oct 29 2008 7:37PM
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Rajna
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at it's very core yes it is(collective ownership and distribution of EVERYTHING is equal and even, not just your wealth), but that wasn't how i was referring to it as. Your neighbor isn't gonna be entitled to start sleeping in your home just cause Obama is elected.

McCain is an avid supporter of de-regulation of the economy just like Bush, a free-market economy plan is the last thing we need right now.
Oct 29 2008 7:48PM
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Parkboy
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Go to Dictionary.com and look up the word "irony."

You're statement is a perfect example.
Oct 29 2008 7:49PM
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Parkboy
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If Obama was truly a socialist he would be proposing long term nationalization of industry assets, where the workers take over the means of production.

I'll leave it to your ritz-cracker sized brain to figure it out from there.
Oct 29 2008 7:52PM
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Ben.
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Shown any leaderships skills? Hes done a ton for the city of chicago.
Oct 29 2008 8:04PM
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spliff.Life
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hahaha part of al quede lol
Oct 29 2008 8:06PM
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Ben.
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hahaha idk why but that made me laugh. and want ritz crackers....
Oct 29 2008 8:09PM
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dylhole
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Thats funny, because it doesn't seem like McCain, or Palin are all that good at telling people what they want to hear.  You'd think with all his experience he should know what to say to please an audience...
Oct 29 2008 8:19PM
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Ben.
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Dude, i live here, i know. unless that was sarcastic.
Oct 29 2008 8:30PM
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canuck
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No sarcasm, he hasnt done a ton for Chicago.
Oct 29 2008 8:43PM
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Ben.
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for one hes done a ton to try and reform the school system. but you wont take my word for it and to be quite honest im not in the mood to do this right now so whatevs.
Oct 29 2008 8:49PM
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J.D.
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Then you probably didn't need to call him a liar for stating an opinion... did you miss my post at the top of the page?
Oct 29 2008 8:49PM
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Manbearpig..
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haha
Oct 29 2008 8:53PM
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Manbearpig..
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what countries are socialist?
Oct 29 2008 8:58PM
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canuck
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oh no!!! not you,,,,

IHe wasnt stating it as opinion he was stating it as if it were fact... and for that it is a lie. Obama has NOT done a lot for Chicago.

Oct 29 2008 9:06PM
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skiminnesota
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Obama said he wanted to give a tax break to all families making under $250,000 per year, which he said was 95 percent of American workers. For those who make more, he said he would roll back the Bush tax cuts to the same level that they were under President Clinton.

straight from the big man himself. what now?

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/10/22/_obama_its_the_economy.php

seems like Barack has been duped! or its the american people are being duped?

so is it intentionally pandering? lying ? or plain stupidity?  or has he been played by his advisers ??
Oct 29 2008 9:40PM
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skiminnesota
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sorry that first little part should be in quotations, it was copied right off his website.
Oct 29 2008 9:41PM
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Ben.
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hahaha justin you dont give up do you?
Oct 29 2008 9:42PM
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skiminnesota
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haha nope, not when JD acts like beotch when posting against people who disagree with him.


i already told him he is far smarter than I so i dont see the need for condescension or smart ass reply's  on his part.
Oct 29 2008 9:47PM
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Manbearpig..
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ive seen other moderators say faggot so this is a little hypocritical
Oct 29 2008 10:12PM
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Manbearpig..
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and you need to grow up
Oct 29 2008 10:14PM
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