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I think it's time for a real change!

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the420skier
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 Are government is such bullshit, they tool every American citizen around like were there little puppets, and the sad thing about it is we don't do anything about it. So far we have the most technology ever(obviously), we communicate through the phone, the internet like myspace, facebook, and most of all NS, most of us don't no each other but we treat each other like friends cause we all are NSers and we have something in common. Our generation has the best communications ever, but we fail at using it for doing something right and instead we use it to complain, and talk about the shit that we wish was better and the shit that's fucked up,,, instead of banning together and making true changes.

The hippie generation has tried and yes they failed but that was almost 45 years ago, since then so much has changed and technology has advanced so much, and we all learned from the hippies mistakes. They may have failed, but I think they really just gave some people advice to try again and succeed and finish the job. The government can kill or take down 1000 people but can they kill 1M people marching and taking over. It may sound nutzz but I think it needs to happen, we need to become the change, not barrack obama or john McCain who will be just as fucked up as any other president!

The one thing that ever owned or had control of the government was big businesses but now the government is taking over that to, and once that happens we are all fucked and this country is going to be in a hell of a hole.

Maybe not this year or next year but I think sometime soon are generation is going to have to come together as one and do something right and march for are right and for our freedom.

It needs to happen before it can’t so we can start something and become that generation that everyone thanked

spark notes/ we need to cometogether and stop this maddness like the hippies did, but we will do what they could not and succeed before something bad really happens, enuf of the talk and more of the doing, let's stop the maddness!

Oct 21 2008 9:31PM
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Tortao
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you mean "our government" instead of "are government" right?
Oct 21 2008 9:33PM
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comeatmebro
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all i have to say is our...
Oct 21 2008 9:33PM
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the420skier
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hahaha, dam i fucked up! our, are same thing you get the jist of it
Oct 21 2008 9:37PM
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BMskier
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its our not are
Oct 21 2008 9:39PM
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orange.
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you fucking suck at spelling
Oct 21 2008 9:40PM
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the420skier
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ya what the fuck, i thought i did good, every word is spelled right but 2 or 3, i mean common this is a fucking ski site not a grammer site for fucking nerds
Oct 21 2008 10:02PM
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49566738265
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Ya but no one is going to take you seriously when your message is at a 6th grade level, written at a 4th grade level.  You don't have to be a nerd to know how to speak or make a valid point.  Your suggestion is of anarchy, which would never work, especially when led by some one million man skiers union like you are suggesting.

Oct 21 2008 10:12PM
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Von
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For a 15 year old that smokes to much weed and can't spell this isn't a bad analysis at least you understand that neither Obama nor McCain will bring any real change. For your own good cut back on the bud and stay in school.
Oct 21 2008 10:14PM
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the420skier
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i spelt one fucking word wrong and got mixed up from an our to an are, so fuck you. i can speak fine, again this isn't a grammer or an enlish website you shouldnt have to spell every word perfectly to get your point out! how the fuck do you no anarchy wouldn't work??? have you ever done it or been apart of it??? NO!!!!!!! million skiers, no a million people you idiot i was just saying that NS is a good comparison because there is so many chill kids (obviously not, cause they get butt hurt cause you spell a word worng) who all talk thru the internet and are all some what friends

Oct 21 2008 10:18PM
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gordie.
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V FOR VENDETTA TIME
Oct 21 2008 10:18PM
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fujarome
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face it, there will be an uprising for freedom against the government someday, in fact, there already has been...it's called a revolution. And there can't just be some sort of uprising like you said. "Are" generation just won't do it. And even if there was one, there would still be leaders to follow, rules to guide everyone, and someone to be in charge of it. Humans cannot live as free, individual and independent beings. There will always be those who need to lead (and set rules etc) and those who need to rules and leaders to follow.

And now that i think of it, i don't even mind it like this, you make it sound like a communism. I can still do all the things that make me happy, and i'm alright as long as I have that.
Oct 21 2008 10:25PM
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the420skier
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thanks man, but i'm 18 and just about to move out! and nay to the smoking weed part cause it makes me feel good and i love skiiing hi!

but i didn't come up with all of this stoned out of my mind, my dad talked to me about it and how were gonna have to do something right instead of sitting on the internet complaining about all this shit, and talking about worthless nonsense

Oct 21 2008 10:25PM
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49566738265
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I wasn't talking about English, I was talking about how everything you wrote about (except for the fact that the president doesn't change much) was neither a new idea nor an effective one.  And your whole idea about getting out and doing something...interesting...so your first idea for effective change was get on NS....Bravo.
Oct 21 2008 10:35PM
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MitchPee
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Let me know how the government has personally affected you with all the bad things they have done. Once you can give me a reason that you are somehow harmed by the government when you are sitting there on your computer and you probably don't pay taxes, then I will be able to consider even listening to the talk about revolution.
Oct 21 2008 10:38PM
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the420skier
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ya you can't do something like taht on ur own, you need your friends to back you up! ( again NS seems like a bunch of friends cause we all share the same love, but i guess not since theres so many haters, down goes some more karma for that, bhahahaha)
Oct 21 2008 10:40PM
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Von
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How about the 10 or so years of mandated government education that he just endured? Unless he was somehow lucky enough to be home schooled or attend private school. I will never forget how much of my time was wasted by the inefficient, noneffective and mandatory public school system.
Oct 21 2008 10:44PM
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Quinny
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Much like the hippies in the 1960's, I fear the thread creator has an oversimplified idea of the problem in question. Unless there is a good understanding of what is actually wrong, any action would merely reciprocate problems for future generations.
Oct 21 2008 10:49PM
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Quinny
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Endured? Yeah, school is a real hardship isn't it?
Oct 21 2008 10:51PM
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the420skier
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ya it's defenetly oversimplified cause i'm kinda stoned, wanted to throw this down and see what others thought and did it fast, but i think we watched the hippies oversimplify things and cause of that they failed and we could learn from that. i think we need to just prove that were not the governments bitches and we won't take whatever nonsense they do and we won't suck up to there bullshit, so they know the people are on top not them

Oct 21 2008 10:54PM
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Von
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School is a major hardship, believe me I love learning and now that I am in college I am able to do a lot of it. When I attended public school I did very little learning instead I was forced to sit in a classroom all day alternating between listing to my teacher drone about something or doing the busy work that was assigned, there was very little learning and I view the 8 hours a day 180 or so days a year as largely a huge waste of my time. So yes school is a real hardship when I could have been doing something productive with my life for the first 18 years.
Oct 21 2008 10:55PM
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49566738265
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! After reading his thread I hardly think that's a good argument.

Oct 21 2008 10:57PM
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Quinny
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Point taken. I however don't think things are nearly as dire as some people love to speculate. Sure, there are problems, and we will do what we can to fix them...but things aren't as terrible as they may sound.
Oct 21 2008 10:58PM
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Von
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very very nice burn haha

but it proves my point, he is just a failed product of the public school system.
I feel bad that we're ripping on this guy so much when he says in his post that all of NS are friends, maybe it'll teach him a good lesson about the real world.
Oct 21 2008 11:05PM
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Quinny
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Oh, bullshit. You don't know what real hardship is. How about not even having the opportunity to have a public education of any kind? And you clearly did learn something if you managed to get into a college, furthermore to not fail out as far as I know. Your opinion lacks perspective. Simply because traditional education differs from higher education does not mean it is devoid of any value. Calling American public school a "major hardship" is simply laughable.
Oct 21 2008 11:05PM
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the420skier
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hell ya, no way they could do shit about 1M people who know what's goin on, to bad 98% of everyone think it's a stupid idea

the government might not have done anything to bad yet, but it seems like once something so over the top that really fucks this counry up happens, were not gonna be able to fix it fast enough, and were not gonna be ready

Oct 21 2008 11:12PM
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Von
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You're right I don't know what real hardship is and for that I am fortunate. I did learn a lot as a child and because of that I am in college, but public schools taught me very little of what I know most of it I learned from my father and friends and also by reading, living, and observing. I do sincerely wish that less of my childhood had been taken up by my mandatory public schooling because I think I could have used all of that time much more productively. Traditional education does differ from higher education and it should but since that traditional education has been taken over and monopolized by the government it is devoid of a lot of value. Maybe its not a "major hardship" to most but it is an extremely good example of how government has negatively affected my life directly.
Oct 21 2008 11:21PM
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Quinny
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Am I to assume then that you attend a private institution?

School doesn't just serve you to cram random facts into your head, it tunes your brain to how you receive and organize information. Its not just about learning, its learning how to learn. I honestly suspect you are taking it for granted and consequently undervaluing the experience. I felt the same way when I was in high school. Even now many years later I'm still not a big fan of academics of any level, but I do acknowledge it has value and it enables many opportunities I would not have has access to. There are some good things, ad there are some bad...thats life in a nutshell.
Oct 21 2008 11:36PM
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Quinny
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From the way you write, I'd say you could use a few more classes.
Oct 21 2008 11:44PM
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the420skier
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school is definitely a lode of crap, 80% of what i have ever learned has been from mistakes, my parents(mostly my dad), and observing shit!
Oct 21 2008 11:44PM
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Quinny
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...and for the record, you sound like a spoiled brat.
Oct 21 2008 11:45PM
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Von
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Yes I do go to a private school but I don't associate state colleges with public schools because of the obvious differences. I understand your point about school helping you learn how to learn and surprisingly I've done a lot of that in college, I really really like school, schooling, and learning. It was the setting of public school that discouraged me from learning and I took the burden on myself to become educated not just conform to some standereds that the federal government has specified.
Oct 21 2008 11:45PM
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the420skier
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oooooooo sorry load of crap, i think i need to get more hi and come back to this subject
Oct 21 2008 11:45PM
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Quinny
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To be honest, you really lack an inherent understanding of what learning is. It a combination of many factors, including the ones you listed.
Oct 21 2008 11:47PM
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Quinny
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This may come as a shock to you, but all schools conform to some stranded...from community colleges all the way to Harvard. The public school system is not perfect and probably needs some retooling, but its hardly the miserable hardship some of you paint it as. There are in fact a number of people that actually enjoy some of the aspects you hate. Not everyone's learning style is perfectly suited for it, but that doesn't mean you can't take anything away from it. You're really not giving school its fair shake. You figured out how to read didn't you?
Oct 21 2008 11:54PM
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Von
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But thats what I want. I want to be able to choose whose standered I want to subject myself to, not have standereds placed upon me by the federal government (remember schooling is  mandatory until you're 16).  When I started looking at colleges I was able to choose the school that I thought would best fit me, but up until that time I had no such option, I was told to go to the school that was closest to me and my parents would be arrested (face legal implications) if I did not. Again I love school just not public school.

And I was taught to read by my parents before I started pre-school.
Oct 22 2008 12:02AM
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Quinny
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First off, I not sure why you are making a big deal of basic education being mandatory...it should be.

Second of all, its actually the state government that really determines the curriculum and funding.

Third, you and your parents did have the option of putting you in private schools. Though if funding was an issue, that is a legitimate dilemma. Of course from the way you sound, you would agree with Bush's philosophy of education by allowing people the opportunity to private schools through vouchers and such. Essentially you want a free market, not that there is anything wrong with that at all. I'm on the fence in that debate.
Oct 22 2008 12:12AM
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Von
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1. Making basic education (most often public schooling) mandatory forces children into schools and settings that may not be best for them and removes any feeling of freedom from their lives. Believe me its fucked up to be told that your parents will be arrested if you don't go to school.

The word Federal implies that both State and National governments are involved in a process, so when I say Federal government that includes both.

My parents may have been able to send me to private school because my grandparents were well off, but it would have been a huge economic burden to my family (My college is not because sadly my grandparents past away but before they did they made sure I had enough money for college). Though the voucher system is still publically funded and is a form of income redistribution, it is the most ready alternative to our current system and would greatly improve upon it by giving students an invaluable tool, choice.

I just want freedom, and when it comes to school I desire academic freedom.
Oct 22 2008 3:36PM
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the420skier
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fuck it all!!!!!!!!!!!, i love to learn but not by some stupid brainwashed highschool teacher that has no idea what she is even talking about,

o and FUCK IT ALL

Oct 22 2008 3:45PM
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49566738265
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But if there is too much freedom in the system (such as having everything left up to citizens on an individual level), the system doesn't work.

Suppose kids/parents had a choice of whether or not to attend school.  Poor families, for example, might decide they would rather have the child work for the family.  Well since he is entirely uneducated, he isn't really the greatest candidate for 99% of jobs and will have difficulty for the rest of his life.

The next point, on the level of society as a whole, deals with who pays for public schools.  The voters and citizens in a community.  Say you live in an extremely poor community where 95% of the families don't want their kids to go to school.  They decide at city hall that they don't want to pay those taxes now.  The school ceases to exist for those 5% that do want to go, and they are trapped in the cycle, theoretically forever.

Even the worst schools are good enough to learn something from if the kid works at all.  As long as you have a book, you have the ability to learn.  The system doesn't always fail, sometimes the kid has to try to learn to.  You can't be spoonfed, spit it out, then complain that your hungry.

Oct 22 2008 3:46PM
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blindside
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Just for the recored you misspelt "there", you meant to write "their"

that is all.
Oct 22 2008 3:48PM
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the420skier
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O FUCK! i fail hard at life that's like 4 incorrect words! SHITTTTTTTTTTTTT
Oct 22 2008 3:50PM
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Von
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So a child works for his father because the father decides that its in his sons best interest to learn a trade or develop a certain skill set, whats wrong with that. If your parents have any wisdom they will know that good schooling=better so it will be in their best interest (and yours) that they provide that schooling for you (from any sort of school they wish, religious, trade school, anything).

So what if 95% don't want their children to go to school, that just means that the 5% who do will have to find a different way then the public school to educate their children (any sort of private school or homeschooling will do im sure). Just because the public school in the town closes (from lack of public support) doesn't mean that there won't be any other schools in a town that children can attend.

Even the best public schools hinder the education of their students through the bureaucratic, inefficient and ineffective way in which they operate.
Oct 22 2008 4:05PM
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comeatmebro
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spelled, grammar, english, know, a part, are so many, wrong, through...and that's just one paragraph.
Oct 22 2008 4:11PM
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blindside
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loll I'm jus playin, your a cool guy, i haven't read much of the thread but I'm also 18 and nowhere near moving out so tons of respect for that and I wish you all the best!
Oct 22 2008 4:12PM
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fujarome
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do you really think kids shouldn't have to go to school? You may have hated it, but where did you make friends? Where did you learn to read, do math, interact with other kids, and just in general do something you might not like, but have to anyways? And don't even say you learned it all at home, because i seriously doubt that, it just isn't possible. you may not have liked it, but you have to go. With this attitude, you can look forward to many years of true, unemployed, freedom. And can you imagine how much respect the US would lose from other countries? You might say that doesn't matter, but then when the US leaders in the future are complete dumbasses because as whiny kids, they didn't want to go school, compared with everyone else in the world, you'll care.

I get what you're saying, school might not be that fun, and you might not think you learned a lot, but you did, even if you don't notice or use it daily. School got you into college, which is where you claim the real learning started. It should absolutely be mandatory
Oct 22 2008 4:14PM
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Sufferboy
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ok all knowing

is this going to happen?
Oct 22 2008 4:15PM
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the420skier
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thanks man, it's pretty ruff but you gotta do it sometime or another! 

Oct 22 2008 4:33PM
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Von
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Did you read anything I wrote?

I love school, school is amazing, learning is amazing, I just don't like public schools. Its laughable that you think it would be impossible to learn everything that is taught in public school by myself. I learned to read before I entered school (my parents taught me) and I learned to do math partially at school, though this was only through a special program i was enrolled in not normal classroom learning, and partially by private instruction and a personal appreciation for math. I would claim that most great thinkers are primaraly self educated and owe little of their knowledge to their formal schooling much less any of them who attended a public school. I do agree with you that schools are a great place to learn social skills but that's not just reserved for public schools, you can have the same social interactions at private or religious schools as well as through various homeschooler networks (I know some kids who are homeschooled and they have plenty of friends).

As for my unemployed future I am currently 19 and have been working since I was 14 and have only once been fired from any job (I took a vacation that was a little to long...) so if I can somehow keep myself on the track I've been on I'm not to worried.

Again I'm not complaining about going to school or learning I'm complaining about public school so I imagine that our leaders of the future would just have to attend a private school to fend of the worlds criticism. Don't for one second pretend that public schools have created an educated populous that can more effectively run a  democracy, I'm pretty sure that last 8 years has proved that wrong.

And public school had nothing to do with me getting into college, in fact I was kicked out of high school when I was 17 and got my diploma online (which was sweet cause I didn't have to sit in highschool for another year) then went to a community college for a semester and transfered to my current school (University of Puget Sound).
Oct 22 2008 9:03PM
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Sufferboy
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Come on come on
I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
is life worth living should I blast myself?
I'm tired of bein' poor & even worse I'm black
my stomach hurts so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a negro
pull the trigger kill a nigga he's a hero
Give the crack to the kids who the hell cares
one less hungry mouth on the welfare
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers
give 'em guns step back watch 'em kill each other
It's time to fight back that's what Huey said
2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead
I got love for my brother but we can never go nowhere
unless we share with each other
We gotta start makin' changes
learn to see me as a brother instead of 2 distant strangers
and that's how it's supposed to be
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
but things changed, and that's the way it is

[Bridge w/ changing ad libs]
Come on come on
That's just the way it is
Things'll never be the same
That's just the way it is
aww yeah
[Repeat]

[2]
I see no changes all I see is racist faces
misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under I wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
'cause both black and white is smokin' crack tonight
and only time we chill is when we kill each other
it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other
And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks
But some things will never change
try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game
Now tell me what's a mother to do
bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you
You gotta operate the easy way
"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way
sellin' crack to the kid. " I gotta get paid,"
Well hey, well that's the way it is

[Bridge]

[Talking:]
We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.

[3]
And still I see no changes can't a brother get a little peace
It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East
Instead of war on poverty they got a war on drugs
so the police can bother me
And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do
But now I'm back with the facts givin' it back to you
Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up,
crack you up and pimp smack you up
You gotta learn to hold ya own
they get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone
But tell the cops they can't touch this
I don't trust this when they try to rush I bust this
That's the sound of my tool you say it ain't cool
my mama didn't raise no fool
And as long as I stay black I gotta stay strapped
& I never get to lay back
'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs
some punk that I roughed up way back
comin' back after all these years
rat-tat-tat-tat-tat that's the way it is uhh

[Bridge 'til fade:]
Some things will never change
Oct 22 2008 9:58PM
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SteezyMcDizzle
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you got some good points in there man
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