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Griffons or jesters?

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cwj717
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just got ep pros and i'm gonna get either jesters or griffons..... i'm like 5'7 and weigh like 115...    what should i get.
Oct 20 2008 10:28PM
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powderlvr23
Posts: 163 - Karma: 11
on the ep pros you'll prob be just killin it. go with the Jesters. def worth the extra $$ in the long run.
Oct 20 2008 10:34PM
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*kiwiNZ*
Posts: 249 - Karma: 13

What DIN do you ride at?

Your pretty small so i cant see it worth the extra money for the jesters

Oct 21 2008 12:45AM
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cwj717
Posts: 16 - Karma: 10
ya thats what i was thinking....i dont know i cant see myself going to 16 so i think jesters are kind of overkill
Oct 21 2008 12:53AM
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Sholte
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i would go with griffins, im about your size and i find i don't need a huge din like 16 on my bacons. and griffins are a lot lighter so they will keep your setup weight down.
Oct 21 2008 12:56AM
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Balto
Posts: 25985 - Karma: 4,404
connor do not get griffons. yes you dont need a 16 din binding so get sth12s.
Oct 21 2008 12:58AM
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SkiWest
Posts: 90 - Karma: 14

Why not Griffons?? I haven't heard anything bad about them, not even from people who have ridden them.

Oct 21 2008 8:14AM
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cwj717
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cost is kind of an issue though. i cant spend more than like 250
Oct 21 2008 10:15AM
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reverendwrong
Posts: 3145 - Karma: 142
griffons are peices of shit, the lighter weight is due to more plastic and they have zero durablity, if ur gonna get marker bindings get the duke or jester, the other two blow hard dick, if i had to recomend bindings it would be any of the tyrolia bindings which include head and 4frnt, proven quality and technology.
Oct 21 2008 1:04PM
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SEABURN
Posts: 4859 - Karma: 2,752
have you ridden the griffon.....do you actually know? has the rep explained to you the griffons?
Oct 21 2008 2:42PM
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0123456789
Posts: 9226 - Karma: 148
i havent heard anyhting great about tyrolias/head and whatnot, that theyre ok, but not great, i would def take the griffons over the tyrolias.im sure the griffons are good bindings, but not as good as jesters.


Oct 21 2008 3:10PM
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Style+eeze
Posts: 6901 - Karma: 551

then you obviously can't get jesters

Oct 21 2008 3:37PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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I don't see whats sooo bad about Griffons! Everones like "Ohh, no, don't get Griffons! They have plastic!" Thats why there's Jesters! For people who don't need a top of the line 16 DIN superbinding you can get Griffons. I don't see whats so bad!
Oct 21 2008 3:47PM
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0123456789
Posts: 9226 - Karma: 148

truth!

unles youre thrown switch 10's on 80 foot kickers an all metal binding isnt a nessecity. i would have gotten griffons last yera but they only had jesters. chances of them breaking are slim to none of them breaking, and its probally not even gonna be because of the plastic on them.

Oct 21 2008 4:00PM
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Lt-Aldo-Raine
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i say stay away from both and get some solomon ti12s or with your weight some ti10s
Oct 21 2008 7:34PM
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TPatel
Posts: 207 - Karma: 10
i have the same question, however i found a pair of jesters for the same price as the griffons, so i think im going to get the jesters; however i would've gotten the griffons if this place still had them. i know a bunch of people how have the griffons and they say they are the best binding they've had.

quick question, and srry to thread steal, but what are reasonalbe prices for the jesters and the griffons? i want to make sure this price i found isn't a rip off.
Mar 15 2009 7:50PM
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shintastic48
Posts: 2909 - Karma: 46
i always use rossi. i hate marker in general. they suck. all of there stuff is made out of plastic. and its shit. so don't use it. i used to use them and broke a shit load of jesters. had the same rossis for 2 years now. 100 dollars rossis mind you. no problems what so ever
Mar 15 2009 8:26PM
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Silence
Posts: 16030 - Karma: 150
You know the Jester doesn't have a whole lot of plastic in it right..

Mar 15 2009 8:50PM
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shintastic48
Posts: 2909 - Karma: 46
yes but they still broke. it is shitty metal then lol. i still suggest rossi axial 120's best binding ever. period
Mar 15 2009 8:52PM
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pjbauer
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Mar 15 2009 8:56PM
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TPatel
Posts: 207 - Karma: 10
i know everyone here has said to get the griffon, but for an extra $50 is it worth it to get the jesters? i plan on using this binding for 2-3 seasons...will the plastic be able to last that long?
Mar 15 2009 9:04PM
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Silence
Posts: 16030 - Karma: 150
Yes the plastic will last

If you are 200lb or you are throwing 10's then go the jester

i.e. If you need a burlier binding then go for the Jester, of not then the Griffon would be fine.

For $50 i'd go the jester.
Mar 15 2009 9:54PM
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aoe
Posts: 2947 - Karma: 51
Some of the people on here making binding recommendations really have no idea. As long as a binding serves its main purpose (keep you bound to the ski and release at proper times, protecting your knees) then there are only a few other noticeable  criteria to judge a binding by:
weight
price
durability
look
feel

I've had the top bindings from the major 3, salomon 916's, look p14 and market jesters.

All 3 preformed the basics. I've killed breaks on the salomons and the looks but they have otherwise stayed intact. And the jesters are currently holding up great.

I would recommend going with the griffon. It's much lighter then the competition, preforms the basic tasks as well, and they are durable, despite people complaining about the plastic. There is a reason there is plastic. it is designed around a lighter rider. And provided you are within that weight range (you clearlyu are) you should have zero worries about the durrability. Anybody bashing them simply because they have plastic heal tower and toe wings is an idiot. A good binding design will incorporate exactly how much material (weight) is needed and no more. Sure my looks were durable, but they were heavy as @#$%. Marker has designed a binding of minimal weight that holds up to its intended rider (under 200lbs). Get them, don't worry.
Mar 15 2009 10:56PM
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Z_rob
Posts: 3076 - Karma: 152
marker bindings in general are awesome bindings.

idk what everyone is talking about, a few of my friends ride griffons nothing but good things coming out of their mouth, im probably gonna throw a pair once i get my bents next season.

but ya i would look into salomon bindings too, they are pretty good as well
Mar 15 2009 11:08PM
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i.ski.troll.
Posts: 4692 - Karma: 247
i love my griffons! they let me out when i need to be let out and hold me in when i wanna be in. there super light too
Mar 16 2009 12:10AM
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searle
Posts: 152 - Karma: 18
I saw a guy totaly rip the heel piece off his 120's just landing weird off a jump, i wouldnt recomend these but i personaly use griffons and have had no problems wat so ever and I weight 40 pounds more than you
Mar 16 2009 12:22AM
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Silence
Posts: 16030 - Karma: 150
Ripping a heel out of the ski is more of a problem with the mount or the ski core than the binding
Mar 16 2009 12:29AM
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Squid.
Posts: 1904 - Karma: 23
I got my jesters for $200

Also, there is a huge amount of terrible advice in this thread. I have heard about more bad stuff happening Salomon STH 12 and 14s (Brakes breaking, heelpeice cracking) and Looks (heavy, heelpeice ripping out) than I have about the Jesters or Griffons. I mean Rossi riders don't even use the current Rossi or Look bindings, they use the FKS series. If you want a binding the everyone agrees is bombproof, go with the Rossi FKS 155s

And like has been said before: the plastic doesn't matter unless you are 250 lbs+ AND throw down huge 12s 17+ feet out of the pipe or off 80ft kickers.
Mar 16 2009 7:57AM
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Squid.
Posts: 1904 - Karma: 23
Sorry for the digression. OP: you aren't very big, you would be fine with Griffons
Mar 16 2009 7:58AM
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highaltNM
Posts: 552 - Karma: 52
same here.  i have griffons on two pairs of skis (I'm 5'11" 170) and they work great.  i chose them because of how light they are.  no issues with durability other than scratches.  get the griffons.
Mar 16 2009 2:36PM
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hedgehog
Posts: 1595 - Karma: 167
mine have been fine. i'm 160 and my DIN is on SIX right now, and no pre-releases.
Mar 16 2009 2:56PM
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Dr_Feelgood
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wow, if he weighs 115 lbs he has no need to get high din bindings. griffons for sure
Mar 16 2009 5:06PM
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0123456789
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lol im like 140, my dins were on 8 i kept pre releasing on my jesters, no theyre on 9 no problems.
Mar 16 2009 5:27PM
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Silence
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Very rarely have I heard about specifically Look heelpieces ripping out - but if that's the case then it's a problem with the mount or the ski, not the binding.

As for Rossi riders not using current stock - well nice way to generalize. I know the FKS is still the preferred binding, but plenty of racers use the current PX18.
Mar 16 2009 5:42PM
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GreenHorn
Posts: 4896 - Karma: 1,209
griffons. they are pretty much the same binding just jesters have a higher din. and you dont need it at your size.
Mar 16 2009 5:56PM
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aoe
Posts: 2947 - Karma: 51
I don't usually pick on individual responses but this is just ridiculous.
-First of all, you are very misleading. All of markers stuff isn't 'made of plastic'.

-You don't have a basis to say they suck and 'not to use it,' There's no way you've had the experience to use enough of markers products to form that opinion.

-"i've used them and broke a shit load of Jesters." Right, I'm sure you did.
 First of all, Jesters have only been out since last year, hardly enough time to have used 'a shit load.' Secondly, as has been mentioned, they aren't made from plastic. Both the heal tower and toe wings are made from metal.
 How many is 'a shitload.' I call complete and total BS on you. The Jester is designed for an aggressive, heavy rider. Judging from your profile pic, you aren't that heavy. You also say that you have been using the 120 for 2 years and they are clearly shown on your skis in your profile. So how many other pairs of skis could you possibly have owned, mounted with Jesters I might add? So, you have been using rossis for 2 years, but have also had the chance to break 'a shitload' of jesters ( a very high end binding) in the year and a bit that have been on the market, all while still using your rossis mounted on your current skis and been able to say that they have had no problems. Clearly, there isn't enough of a time fram for you to have broken a bunch of jesters.

I've been here for over 8 years and your'e one of the only members i've individually called out. Congratulations.
Mar 16 2009 6:13PM
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Dr_Feelgood
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Mar 16 2009 7:12PM
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Motes
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id go with the griffons just because of your weight you wont need a 16 DIN binding

Mar 16 2009 7:19PM
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