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I've been riding troubles for years and i just love em. they are so light weight and now that they have the 81mm underfoot they feel more pact. they have a perfect flex, they never wash out but you can still butter if you work them right. they are very durable especially with the base rail protectors. The best part is probably the price. when i bought mine 2 years ago i got the previous season's for like 200. I've heard good things about the suspects too but i say you should go with the trouble makers.