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CoreUPT=Dynastar?

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mind_Riot39
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After reading a comment in the new story about TJ joining CoreUPT I did some research.  It makes perfect sense.  All the CoreUPT skis coming out are just re-branded Dynastars.  TJ's Change and the Candide Pow have the exact same dimensions and come in the same lengths as the Big Troubles with curiously similar looking sidewalls.  Colby's Urban Rise and the Candide Park have the same sidecut as the old TMs (112-78-102) and come in the same lengths. Guerlain's XXX Ray? Same dimensions and lengths as the Legend Pro RIder. Plus this explains where this "start-up" company is getting all this cash to sign huge riders like Colby, Candide, and TJ.

I hope this isn't a re-post, but anyway... thoughts, comments, leave em-
Oct 17 2008 3:31PM
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radoripper
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This has been discussed at length on this site, but yes, there are a lot of similarities.  But my understanding is that Dynastar only presses their skis and they do not have anything else to do with CoreUPT from a funding standpoint.  If I had to guess the way they got all of these big names, I would guess it was the lure of the Pro-Model ski and some sort of profit sharing plan.  Tell the Pros that they will get a portion of their own ski sales and give them their own ski.  Or maybe they get a slice of the ownership. 

At some point these kids have to start thinking about an exit strategy because you cannot ski professionally forever.

Regardless, basic business economics come into play at some point, and they are going to have to sell a lot of skis to put dinner on the table.  Has anyone purchased these skis?
Oct 17 2008 3:39PM
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EMK
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it would appear they are being made by dynastar this year useing their molds so the company can off the ground and that next year each pro will have a ski designed by them to their specification.

it also seems that the money has come from big business investers who are hoping to gain from a promising rider owned company. I'm not certain why i belive it or where i read it but i think the investor is BMW.

Oct 17 2008 3:49PM
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IanAvery-Leaf
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coreUPT is corrupt
Oct 17 2008 3:53PM
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FUUUCK
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major repost.

let me go over what I and others have concluded through discussion...

-skis are made in dynastars factory using the same mold.

-the skis are the same in terms of dimensions and sizes, that much we know for sure.

-they may or may not be different from dynastar skis in terms of materials and construction, COREupt hasn't discussed the details of their skis technology.

-though more and more people are buying their gear online, a lot of us want to see and feel the skis before we buy them. The internet store plan that COREupt has could mean the difference between success and failure.

-COREupt does not have the capacity to make their own skis the way they want, while still having one of the best pro teams in the industry, thus far.

-Armada started out the same way.

-Don't be offended that someone wants to make a business out of skiing, if you dont like them, don't by their product.

Oct 17 2008 3:53PM
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EMK
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^^^I'm pretty sure colby said in an interview with snowfix.tv that they simply are dynastars this year so i guess that clears up the construction info.
Oct 17 2008 4:06PM
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ArmadaSkisUK
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You forgot to add that the Richy Permin pro model is the same as the Huge Trouble too... and probably the other freeride skis in the range (non twin tipped) will be the same as the Legend range...
I doubt that CoreUPT would have changed the constrution, however these seem to be some of the older moulds from dynastar, i think they made their park twins up to 82mm 1 or 2 years back.

I'm guessing the rich french milk entrepenuers are banking on the internet store being a good selling point, and i guess that they will be promoting so much at every event to get the public feeling those skis.
Oct 17 2008 4:09PM
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RuffRydrz
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I don't think they have anything to do with Dynastar...i heard the people backing CoreUpt financially are involved with BMW so maybe everyone is going to get a BMW when they join the team.
Oct 17 2008 4:20PM
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Lemuel
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bankers invest in everything. BMW doesnt mean jack shit
Oct 17 2008 4:29PM
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blindside
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I don't see how they can afford to get all these big name pros but somehow cannot afford to press their own skis....but I don't know much about the economics of ski companies so I'll shut up.

Can you actually only find these skis online? Personally I couldn't bring myself to buy a ski that I haven't held and flexed myself.

And lastly, funded by BMW?......fucking nazis 
Oct 17 2008 4:37PM
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FUUUCK
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Thats an incredibly naive thing to say
Oct 17 2008 4:38PM
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Reaps
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Getting their skis pressed isn't a funding issue, by the sounds of it. My guess would be it is a time issue. Making production moulds could be around 6 weeks a ski (Only baseing that assumption on the other type of industrial moulds I have worked with). If the moulds couldn't get finish and a production process perfected in time for this season, they probably have just shifted all the timing for launching new skis for next season/end of this season.    This will only give them more time for testing the new "CoreUPT unique" ski's when made.


It will cost them nothing to throw a new topsheet in an existing Dynastar mould, so it makes sense to do that for now, so at least their athletes can ride a CoreUPT ski for shoots & contests instead of a blank prototype.

I do think some of their pro rider - pro ski choices are a bit odd. TJ with the Big Trouble, when TJ is mostly known as a park and big air skiing... and Rich Permin gets the HUGE trouble design, but is also a park rider.... ah well.

Oct 17 2008 5:39PM
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edd1e
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is core Upt just not another brand by owned by giant QUIKSILVER.

Surely quiksilver is just redistributing their resources (ie Dynastar, rossi team riders etc) and rebranding it as a a cool new ski company. Thats because this is the cool thing at the minute. I think they are a year or 2 late though. Not so many up and coming ski companies this year with much hype.

MOMENT and Bluehouse have established themselves quickly, moment choosing to differentiate by providing a high quality product and bluehouse on price. Coreupt is tring to use the caliber of their team riders to make them stand out and raise their profile. But their ski designs are now 2-3 years behind.....


Oct 17 2008 6:03PM
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=FLO=
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Read the freeksier article on coreupt, they are not hiding the fact that they are using Dynastar presses. 
Oct 17 2008 6:06PM
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RuffRydrz
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I wasn't being super serious with my BMW comment...it was supposed to be funny...sorry you didn't catch that....but hey CoreUpt is doing something right cause they are creating a shit load of buzz
Oct 17 2008 7:35PM
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A_Davis
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Yeah dynastar is big on this. Roxy does the same shit with there girl skis. And roxy boots are lange. Dynstar makes money they dont care
Oct 17 2008 7:42PM
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Lemuel
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no i wasnt say that to be a dick i was just saying that the connection with BMW wouldnt really have an effect. i caught your sarcasm though
Oct 17 2008 7:53PM
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GuerillaInDaMist
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WHO GIVES A FUCK. Pretty much all skis are the same just little tweaks here and there. dont reem me for saying this because we all know it is true.
Oct 17 2008 7:57PM
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selfportrait
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guys I have indisputable proof that this company is run by a bunch of old men trying to revitalize an old company's sinking image. this ski description tells you everything you need to know about coreupt:

"Hands Up
By Richard Permin

It's a big freestyle backcountry ski. The funky design with the hands and signs has been inspired by the logo. It gives it a very unusual and expressive look, sometimes a bit scary, close to the snowboard world."

it looks like they did their research, too. Unusual? Expressive?! CLOSE TO THE SNOWBOARD WORLD??! Holy shit this company knows what skiers want don't they!
Oct 17 2008 9:03PM
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Skibumsmith
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I heard that when Armada started out they were just Rossis. Is this true?
Oct 17 2008 9:16PM
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ECski
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your an idiot thats not naive by any means. Did you ever notice how in all of the coreupt edits they have coreupt mini coopers? did you know that BMW owns mini cooper? dont call someone naive because they brought up something that is not what they said but in a way plausible
Oct 17 2008 9:22PM
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seeingstars
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my thoughts exactly

a ski is a ski

who cares who makes it?

I've been a Dynastar boy my whole life and I didn't shit a brick when Quicksilver bought them.
Oct 17 2008 9:27PM
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Static
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maybe if you bought some decent skis you'd notice a difference
Oct 17 2008 10:08PM
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steevner
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their bindings look a lot like look's.
Also it's hilarious that the name of them is dildo, it matches the shape of the heel piece perfectly.
And for those who want to see them, they're in the "store" on the coreupt site.
Oct 17 2008 10:10PM
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seeingstars
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what are you talking about?
I've never had a problem and they're buttery as shit
Oct 17 2008 10:16PM
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Peter.
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yep, their stuff is made by dynastar

they just are using it to get their company name out there, mass producing instead of pressing their own skis right now. armada used to use rossi presses, so its not a big deal
Oct 17 2008 10:16PM
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seeingstars
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that wasn't my point anyway. Learn how to read.

What I meant was, a CoreUPT ski is going to feel like a CoreUPT ski no matter if they use CoreUPT presses or Dynastar presses
Oct 17 2008 10:18PM
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BigMeech621
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there bindings are called dildo!!!

hahahahahaha

Oct 17 2008 11:59PM
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chazz.
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yes
Oct 18 2008 12:07AM
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FUUUCK
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you're*

assuming Gus Kenworthy is going to get a free beemer for riding coreupt skis is pretty naive if you ask me haha. BMW isn't running coreupt, we should not be starting rumours.
Oct 18 2008 11:26AM
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J.D.
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CoreUPT is not attached to any other company. They are not an offshoot, subsidiary, or anything of the sort. They are independent. That they use another company's presses is hardly unprecedented. So if you don't know... now you know.
Oct 24 2008 5:30PM
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baseballski03
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coreupt is owned by quicksilver.
Oct 24 2008 8:16PM
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SpeakerCity
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lol... so is coreUPT a bad choice this year or would it be the same as chosing dynastar? cuz i have been really intrested in coreUPT as long as they are a decent ski
Oct 26 2008 11:05AM
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blindside
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I would at least wait until next year.
Oct 26 2008 12:14PM
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A.R.
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armada still presses in atomics factory.
Oct 26 2008 12:26PM
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camohard
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it's a little different though; they now have designs and stuff that are entirely their own, which I would expect to see from coreUPT within the next year or two. Im guessing they do it this way because it allows them to use an established decent ski to become respected during the infancy of the brand, while also allowing them to get their business going before they have completed all of their R & D (ie start making money sooner rather than later which would probably also help get further investment). I don't know if I totally agree with it, but it seems like a pretty good business approach, and they will also likely have pretty legit skis in the future. I probs won't get any, but those are my thoughts.
Oct 26 2008 2:47PM
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Ben.
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no it makes sense. the big trouble is what 92 underfoot? tj used to ride the el ray at some comps which is like 90 underfoot. hes a big dude he wants a bigger ski. permin.. idk lol
Oct 26 2008 4:12PM
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Yung_Gnarley
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i think that you just watched the podcast about how Armada started and saw the clip of TJ saying, "what are those (armadas)? New rossi's?"

i'm pretty sure that's it

Nov 22 2008 8:35PM
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