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dope-fiend
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im sick of american moral superiority. What if russia got the atomic bomb in ww2 and moved the jews into america and kicked all the americans out and made america into jerusalem. and then russia considered the  american terrorists who fight to get the homeland back as evil people.
Oct 12 2008 11:15PM
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dope-fiend
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and for all you patriot act government goonies writing this down setting up a raid on my house, no i am not a fucking terrorist
Oct 12 2008 11:17PM
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BASS_PRO_SHOP
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DUDE! THEY'RE RIGHT OUT YOUR DOOR!!!

RUN!!!

SHIA LEBUFF WILL BE OUTSIDE WAITING IN A BLACK MINI VAN! GO!
Oct 12 2008 11:20PM
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dope-fiend
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haha
Oct 12 2008 11:23PM
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natedogg789435
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if drew doesn't understand i'm not going to wated my time trying to
Oct 12 2008 11:23PM
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ThaLetterM.
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im not sure what youre trying to say, but id like to add something..it struck me as hypocritical that during the VP debate Palin was on her soapbox commenting on Iran's lack of control with weapons etc. and how they can NEVER have an atomic bomb, when the US is the only country ever to actually use a nuclear weapon on another country

its just something most people dont consider, and when you do, it really gives perspective into why countries around the world truley hate us so much

thats my insightful comment for the night, hope you enjoyed..im gonna go play mini golf online.
Oct 12 2008 11:23PM
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An10a_Eng
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flying planes full of innocent civilians into buildings full of more innocent civilians is not how to get your homeland back. and they are killing anyone that doesnt believe what they do for allah. fuck that i think we should torture every last son of bitch thats part of their radical terrorist groups.  the war for the homeland is in the gaza strip, not iraq, not iran. the point is they hate us because of what we believe and in their fucked up heads they think killing us will get them to heaven when in reality they will all burn in hell. fuck the rules of war, that went out the window on 9/11. we should take no prisoners and torture the ones we have. as for your post, your a dumbass. maybe should know what your talking about before you make a post or preferably just kill yourself.
Oct 13 2008 9:18PM
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Carter23
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agreed. how are we not the terrorists...
Oct 13 2008 9:49PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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What is going on this thread? 

Gah...everyone's retarded.
Oct 13 2008 9:58PM
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bermbuster49
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...wtf? are you high?
Oct 13 2008 10:14PM
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JamesR
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TIme off of ns has really given me a better perspective on threads like this. I think more intelligent arguments can be found on xbox live. :)

Oct 13 2008 10:25PM
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no_steeze
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this is the only thread i've seen in weeks that merits the old:

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Oct 13 2008 10:35PM
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RudyGarmisch
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DREW YOU FORGOT CAPS HOW COULD YOU GOSH
Oct 13 2008 11:01PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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I missed one little preposition.  Jeez, can't a guy get a break around here?
Oct 13 2008 11:01PM
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no_steeze
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Certainly not.
Oct 13 2008 11:03PM
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860
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Everyone is a terrorist to someone
Oct 13 2008 11:07PM
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860
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huh weird cut me off....anyway

Everyone is a terrorist to someone and it doesn't matter whos right or wrong its who has a bigger gun
Oct 13 2008 11:08PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Tough crowd.
Oct 13 2008 11:13PM
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JOP178
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The whole terrorist situation is so fucked up.  To think people (if you can call them that) teach their children from birth to hate America and that if they kill Americans, they will go to Paradise is unbelievable.  You just can't win against people like that.  Imagine growing up and your entire life your parents telling you this group of people is evil, you should do what you can to hurt them.  We kill 1 jihadist, some radical clerk tells a group of young boys what happened, and 2 more join that fucked up cause.

Spark notes: NUKE 'EM!
Oct 13 2008 11:34PM
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no_steeze
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Indeed.
Oct 13 2008 11:35PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I really dont see too much of a difference between the motives some of the Christian movements in this country and radical Islam.
Oct 13 2008 11:36PM
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JOP178
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I say you can believe in whatever you like, just keep it to yourself.  You can be a Christian or a Muslim, just don't try and convert people.
Oct 13 2008 11:39PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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What Christian movements out there are teaching that killing people will get you into some sexy version of the afterlife?
Oct 13 2008 11:39PM
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babujib
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Hahah I love how drew just pwns everyone at will.
Oct 13 2008 11:44PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Put under the same international pressure their religions have been, I wouldn't be surprised if many of our 'nutty' homegrown versions of Christianity switched to the same. We have some fucking whacko's in this country that believe in absolutely crazy shit - the only reason they dont draw attention is because nobody has provoked them.
Oct 13 2008 11:44PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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I don't doubt that there are whackos in this country, but hypothesizing that Christian groups would act the same as Islamic fundamentalist groups if they were under radically different circumstances is a pretty big jump, and not remotely equivalent to saying that they ARE acting the same.
Oct 13 2008 11:48PM
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KravtZ
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shut up hippy
Oct 13 2008 11:54PM
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RudyGarmisch
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In my eyes at least, its not a far jump for groups like the Westboro Baptist Church to go militant and inspire people devastated by foreign invaders to join their cause and go kill the enemy of their faith.

All religions have fundamentalist movements. Fundamentalist movements are a fucking danger to society as we know it.
Oct 13 2008 11:55PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Just to be clear, I realize that fundamentalism is not representative of the views of the average Muslim.  However, it has FAR more acceptance in Islam than the teachings of groups like Westboro do in Christianity.  They're not even comparable in terms of popular support as a percentage.
Oct 13 2008 11:57PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Most of Islam DOESNT condone the fundamentalist side. Just like Christianity, you can draw pretty much whatever message you want out of the scripture, peaceful or hateful. Part of the reason any Islamic fundamentalist groups have gained traction across the world is because their message resonates well is because their country is under American occupation or influence.
Oct 14 2008 12:01AM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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That's what I said.  But the comparison between Westboro and Hamas/Hezbollah/Al Qaeda/whoever doesn't hold in terms of popular acceptance. 
Oct 14 2008 12:04AM
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*V-Love*
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I feel the same and im pretty sure i disagree... but i really have no idea.
Oct 14 2008 12:06AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I'd encourage you to read the rest of my post then. The reason Islamic groups have gained acceptance is because their message has been given credence through our countries actions. You get a foreign invasion force in America and watch how Westboro will grow.
Oct 14 2008 12:06AM
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ax_murderer
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bahah RETARD!
Oct 14 2008 12:09AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Yeah, their tentants are much more realistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church



Oct 14 2008 12:17AM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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I read the rest of your post and I think you're wrong on all counts.  Violent Islamic fundamentalism is not by any means a new animal.  It has waxed and waned in many Muslim countries for hundreds of years, sometimes in reaction to foreign invaders or colonial powers, but probably just as often against more moderate Muslims in power.  Did it gain some popularity with moderate, middle-class Muslims as a result of the invasion of Iraq?  Maybe, but in the past 3-4 years that acceptance has evaporated as the extremists more and more often are only killing other Muslims.  That's why in places like Anbar, the Iraqi insurgents came to the conclusion they preferred us to Al Qaeda and turned against them.

I can't think of any historical precedent for violent Christian extremism rising against foreign invaders.  Can you?  And I'm not talking about resistance organizations that were nominally Christian based on the beliefs of their members (i.e., the IRA doesn't work), I'm talking about a real equivalent to extremist Muslim factions - an organization that wants to set up some Christian incarnation of Sharia law.  And I don't think Westboro would grow at all if we had a foreign invasion; other militant groups would undoubtedly rise, but I highly doubt forcing fundamentalist Christianity on the general populace would be even a peripheral goal.

Clearly you're not a fan of Christianity, but for whatever reason - and it probably has more to do with the cultural and political traditions tied to the religions than anything else - fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity are not remotely equivalent.  And to hypothesize otherwise is ridiculous, irrational, and contrary to historic precedent.

Oct 14 2008 3:31PM
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Upgrayedd
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Uhh...The Crusades?  The Crusades define violent Christian extremism.
Oct 14 2008 3:37PM
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VT_FLO
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i think that's sarcasm
Oct 14 2008 3:40PM
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yellav
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We are the terrorists. You should really do a little research into a lovely group called the CIA.
Oct 14 2008 4:09PM
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KravtZ
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if u dont like it here then get out....u prob wont find many other places with such high living standards plus im sure every country has done "terrorist" activities
Oct 14 2008 4:11PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Not really.  The Crusades were much more about clashing cultures than clashing religions...the two are admittedly similar in some ways, but they're not the same.  And "fundamentalist" Christianity had nothing to do with that, seeing as it occurred during a time when the average person didn't even have access to a Bible.  It also wasn't so much about Christian groups rising up to fight foreign invaders as it was about nominally Christian European powers sending forces to fight foreign invaders elsewhere.  It's not really a good comparison to what Rowen was talking about.

Oct 14 2008 4:12PM
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yellav
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i'm peacin to canada next year homie. if you really think the world terrorists are a group of muslim extremists hiding in caves somewhere and not the united states of america then you really have some learning to do about your beloved red, white and blue and the powers behind it.
Oct 14 2008 4:20PM
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BASS_PRO_SHOP
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canada and america are basically all in the same now. only thing defining different countries is a few words and imaginary borders. and when talking about terrorism, remember. its a violent act against civilians to gain political power. CIA is an intelligence gathering agency.  most they did was some black-ops and infiltration. not blowing up public areas. the media calls radicals terrorists when they attack an army outpost or base. they're wrong on that point.
Oct 14 2008 4:33PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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You have some learning to do about all of modern Western civilization.  But your naivete is....cute.
Oct 14 2008 4:48PM
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Upgrayedd
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I contend that this is an apt analogy.  At the behest of Pope Urban II, European kings sent military forces to dislodge the foreign invaders from the Holy Land to the end of setting up a Papal protectorate.  The impetus for this was in a large part an expression of intense religious piety that grew at the end of the 11th century among the lay people. 

Though I studied this in Medieval European history, I believe Wikipedia will support my contentions if anyone wishes to check.






Oct 14 2008 4:52PM
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yellav
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yeh i will give you that. i'm hoping british columbia will just be further from all the bullshit of society. its a fact that the CIA has assassinated and corrupted many southern american leaders just to boss around their resources. theres a reason why hugo chavez calls george w. bush the devil and its not because he's insane.

imagine if aliens invaded the united states with much better technlogy, much greater numbers and really no cause. then on alien news weekly anyone who fought back against the invasion were terrorists and evil.

that may be a bad analysis but the fact is the "terrorists" are just a small group of radical muslim extremists who have an easy scapegoat of us invading their country on no means which we provide to them to recruit people. the only somewhat legit reason i can understand why we are in iraq besides the obvious control of uneeded resources, is maybe the overthrowing of sadaam. given, he was a pretty evil bro, but when the fuck did we become world police.
Oct 14 2008 4:53PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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That still doesn't fit the mold of fundamentalism we're discussing.  Religiously motivated foreign policy?  Definitely.  Religious extremism?  Probably.  Fundamentalism?  Not really.
Oct 14 2008 4:55PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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I think it has more to do with maintaining a balance of power in the region that favors our interests and uneasiness about creeping Chinese hegemony.
Oct 14 2008 4:58PM
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yellav
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i find it cute you assume we are civilized. civilizations should be living in complete world peace. civilizations don't have thousands of people dying of hunger every day. the future will look back on us as a bunch of poor brainwashed barbaric fools.
Oct 14 2008 4:59PM
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BASS_PRO_SHOP
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yeah i agree that we should be nothing like world police. we should focus on our own problems until there's a big enough problem that other countries are willing to stand in- not be convinced to. and i agree with you that bush is insane which leads me to partially agree with the last statement that we went into iraq for the oil. i think that was an incentive, but mostly because bush HATED saddam so much. and isnt bush just crazy enough to launch a full fledge attack against an oppressive leader because of a grudge?
Oct 14 2008 5:01PM
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yellav
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and instilled values of daddy bush
Oct 14 2008 5:04PM
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