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The Prefect Utah Ski is....?!?!
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What is the prefect ski for utah? A rocker ski made for playing in the powder? A super stiff fat ski made to rip apart a mountain? Rr some thing I didnt say?
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check out the liberty BFF's
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Props for the liberty BFFs but that is definentally not what you would want.....
maybe the Hellbents which are an all around fat twin and not 200mm in the waist. but then again its more how you ski and what you want to use them for
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You should check out the LL2's or the Live Life's if you want a stiffer ski. They are both great skis and rip everywhere.
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your an idiot if you think hellbents are an "all around fat twin"
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what are they for then enlighten me
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traverses, cattracks, parking lots
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Hellbents are made for powder and big mtn, not as an all around fat ski. Sure you can get down to the lifts on groomers, but no one in their right mind would buy hellbents as an all mtn ski.
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uhh thats kinda what i meant as an all around fat twin maybe a versatile fat pow ski might have been better
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I havent skied them myself but iv seen plenty of kids riding them on days where there isnt that much powder
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really depends upon what you do. Do you stick more with the groomers, or do you like to do the backcountry? The line sir francis bacon is a very very versitile ski, but is a little soft for some people. Maybe the prophet would be a better ski for what you want. But i think the bacons make a great all mountain ski.
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That's why I said they can get you down to the lifts on groomers. I never said it wasn't doable to ride them around, but come on. The hellbents are made to excel in a particular area not as a ride everywhere ski. You can really ski any ski down a mtn, but how well it performs along the way depends on the ski. i bet a lot just loved the graphic haha.
As I said, no one in their right mind would buy hellbents do be an all mtn ski. If someone bought a pair without the intention of it being the powder ski in their quiver, they wasted their money. They could have gone with another fat ski that performs a hell of a lot better for their intentions.
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no i agree its not an all mtn ski but it is still a ver versatile powder ski for its dimensions. but i totally agree with you on not buying it as anything but a pow ski
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Sorry, should have quoted him. That reply was in response to VTjibber.
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it comes down to what you want to do, how you ski. personally, id say bacons. dimensions are shweet to ski all the time, in deep snow and days after the deep snow has gone. something rockered pigeon holes you, something too stiff isnt gonna be as playful, or as fun on deep days. something too narrow will be better when the snow isnt falling, but much more sinkable.
105-115, traditonally chambered, traditional sidecut (on the mellower side so it doesnt hook up in powder) medium to softer flexing (personal preference). theres a bunch of stuff in that category (atomic pimps, rossi steeze/s6, vcts) but bacons are my favorite.
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you sound about right ^^. Im not sure about hellbents. They seem really soft for "bigger" mountain kind of skiing where you would need something stiff. But Ive never skied them so Im not sure
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id go ARVs there a pretty solid everything ski
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Great in the deep, will suffer a bit all mountain:
Rossi S7
Armada JP vs. Julien
186 EHP
186 PM Gear Lsaha Pow
Salomon Czar
Moment Bibby Pro
Praxis Powder RX
Praxis MTN Jib
Not as good as above in pow, but better all mountain:
k2 obSethed
Moment Garbones
Moment Ruby
Rossi S6
Line Sir Francis Bacon
Volkl Katana
Faction 3.zero
Armada ANT
PM Gear Big Bro (fat bro)
Praxis Big MTN 110
Atomic Thug
I don't mention the Hellbent, EP Pro, Chopstick, Kuro, or Praxis Hybrid, because in my opinion they all suffer too much all mountain to be a 1-ski quivers.
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sorry, most of that shouldn't have been bold.
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true or live lifes 1's........ if you like stiffer skis... or bacons/ lizzies all would be fun if you like a fatter ski.
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4frnt vct
liberty helix or double helix
volkl gotama
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such a stupid thread. Dif skis are better in dif conditions and dif types of skiers like dif skis. Its not like utah always has the same snow and eveyrone skis the same there
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yeah, they basically side slip down the mountain with no poles
basically you need 2 skis, get something like bents or spats and also a pair of prophet 100's or bacons
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im going to say it
stfu noob, u obviously have never skied a hellbent and have no idea what you are talking about. imo most of the people who dont like hellbents have probably never ridden them. hellbents all though are not the greatest all mountain ski(far from it) still ski the rest of the hill really good, especially for their size. i felt more stable on them than my park skis since they are so stiff underfoot and the edges wernt fucked up. the bents are even fun in the park, i can 270 on, off and 450 off on them, i pretzeld on them(2 in 2 out) i hit the bottom jump in main on mammoth on them and the middle jump(70 and 85 footers) and i spun both of them no problem. i played around on forest trail, and had no problem doing 1s, 3s, 5s and switch 1s, 3s and 5s over jumps that are only 20 feet at the biggest. i know you may be saying claim but i dont really give a fuck, because this is the truth, i could carve on them and it felt so stable and then powder is just unreall and butters are so sick.
dont knock it till you try it
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I never said I hated hellbents. Nor did I say it's impossible to do the things you are saying. What I was saying is that people don't buy hellbents for those uses (even if they do try em out and enjoy them on non powder days). Just because you like to do those things doesn't change what hellbents were designed for. They were designed for powder, and if you think I am a dumb noob for thinking that so be it. Did you buy your hellbents for the purpose of being an all around mtn ski, or did you buy them to shred some pow? Like I said, if someone was looking for a real all around fat twin they should be looking at other skis that suit those needs a lot better than hellbents. Yes, you can and you do, do cool things on your hellbents. But are you really telling me that I am wrong in that there are other skis that would perform much much better than them as a versatile all mtn ski?
People take park specific noodle skis and will make it work for them in other situations, but they will still always be a specialist type of ski. They will kill in the park, but always suffer atleast a fair bit outside of it. Sure a skilled rider can do amazing things with almost any ski, but skis are designed around their specified environment for a reason. I know you didn't buy them as your all mtn ski, and I know you wouldn't advise anyone to either. I know you would name off a list of much more suited skis for the job. No matter what you say or can do on them, they were still designed and produced as a killer pow ski not a groomer ski.
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How has the dynastar xxl or pro rider not been mentioned yet?
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skied on hellbents last winter, and loved them, but they are way to much $$$ out of the pocket. if i could i would rock those thing every day. so much fun
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dude u didnt say that, you said that hellbents suck for a powder specific all around ski. and they do not at all, and me doing certain things doesnt mean that it is meant for that, but it does mean that it is also good for those other things besides powder
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Exactly where did I say the hellbents suck. You might want to read all my posts again in this thread. I was saying no one would buy hellbents without it being meant for powder. Hellbents are not an all mtn ski, sorry but they weren't designed to be a groomer ski. I said as an all mtn ski, which is a lot different than what you are talking about being an all around versatile powder ski. Look at the prophet 100, that is all mtn ski. Hellbents are a powder ski no matter how you cut it. Any ski can get your butt down the mtn, but how well compared to a ski designed to be all mtn and not a specific killer powder ski? Are you telling me you wouldn't shake your head in astonishment if someone bought a pair of hellbents as their all mtn ski? How about someone that has never and never wants to ski powder buying hellbents? That is what I have been saying if you would just read my posts instead of jumping to the dumb noob conclusion.
If you really think I am so dumb that I am mislabeling hellbents as a powder ski than you should contact k2 and tell them they are dumb noobs that don't know how to classify their own skis. So why don't you go back and reread this thread and tell me where I said hellbents suck. I have never seen hellbents classified as an all mtn ski by anyone. They are powder skis.....they were designed to slay powder....exactly where the hell am I wrong in saying that?
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god your an idiot, of course the bent is a powder ski, but it is a powder ski that kills it everywhere. u didnt use the exact words hellbents suck but i didnt even say u said bents suck, i said you said they suck as a powder all mountain ski. while it may not be labled a powder all mountain ski it still skis very well all mountain. thats like just be cause saying a ski is an all mountain ski makes it suck for park
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Wow, you just refuse to really look at what I am saying. You love your hellbents so much that you are acting like a zealot jumping to their defense at the drop of a hat. Hellbents are great skis, and it's great that you have so much fun on them. But for crying out loud, read what I'm actually saying. People don't buy hellbents for their groomer or all mtn ala true all mtn ski aspects. They buy them because they want a powder ski. I'm sorry if I struck a nerve saying no one in their right mind would buy hellbents for anything but projected powder riding, cause it seems like you might not have. I read in the thread right above this and you go on the attack when anyone says what is true about hellbents. Stop attacking people just cause you love the skis. Your love for them doesn't change what they are and what they were made for.
Why would anyone buy hellbents for their groomer handling? Anyone buying hellbents just wants to get away from groomers and get back to it's true shining glory environment, well except you it seems. The price of a specialty ski that absolutely shines in a specific aspect is that it suffers in other aspects. And no matter what you say, it does take major hits in other environments because of it's true specialty design. They are classified as powder skis because of the benefits in deep snow and they are not classified as true all mtn skis (what I have been saying) because of the negatives it does face on non powder runs.
People...buy...them...as....powder....skis....not....as.....all.....mtn.....skis. That has been my whole point this whole time, but all you hear is blah blah blah omg he's hating on hellbents.....blah blah blah.....attack mode engaged. So proceed calling me an idiot for seeing hellbents as powder skis that people actually buy to ride...omg...powder.
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dude, i never said people buy them for an all mountain ski, where in my post did i say that. i said they are a powder specific ski but it excels all over the mountain. i never say anything saying the hellbent is an all mountain ski, i actually affirmed your statement that it is a powder ski. i just said that it is good in other areas as well. ive read all of your posts completely maybe u should look at mine.
and i would have to disagree with you on your "Why would anyone buy hellbents for their groomer handling?" this is a big reason on why i and im sure many other people choose hellbents. while they are an amazing powder ski they ride everywhere else pretty good too. u can ski powder all morning and when it gets tracked out you can hit the park or the rest of the mountain.
let me give you an example of a typical day on hellbents, for me
I go to the mountain(mammoth) on a powder day, yes powder, and i head up top ill ski down something like huevos grande, its a decently steep run with some cliffs, small/large and ill come down maybe doing a small drop, from here ill cut across to the back of 3 where there is a 5 or so foot rock drop which you can drop about 10-15 feet, ill hit that maybe 180 or 3 or switch 1. i make my way past mccoy station and ill go into forest trail. on forest trail i hit rails and jumps. i jump back on the gondola for another lap. this is the reason i bought hellbents, they are powder skis but they let me have a great time everywhere else that isnt powder
im sorry for calling you an idiot, ive just gotten annoyed with ns lately because of all the idiots on here ive noticed lately and you originally just seemed like one of these new idiots. now i see you are only kind of dumb(haha) but i think if you read my posts a little more accurately u would see ive been agreeing that the hellbent is a powder ski, and i think it is just good everywhere else and that its versatility is a major selling point. and when i say versatility i mean versatility among other powder sspecific skis
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out of all the skis I have skied the best all around fat ski out of the 08.09 set is the huge trouble. It just kills it in all sorts of soft snow conditions as well as being able to hold it down in gnarly terrain. Such a versatile ski.
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i was waiting to see that ski mentioned. beat me to it.
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