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What Obama is all about, check it out

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JayDope
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So after seeing countless threads ragging on mccain and palin, i came up with a few things that obama is all about, maybe it will change some of ur minds on voting for him, maybe not? I just thought id share some of this with u. Try not to make any arguements, just read it and post ur opinions, and lemme know if it has changed ur mind at all

-voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out of state abortions. personally im against abortions all together, but if i had a daughter and she went and got an abortion and i wasnt notified about it, i would not be happy about that.

-supports affirmative action in colleges and governments quotas. IMO, affrimative action was great for minorities a while back, but cmon now, i really dont think its necessary to give them advantages anymore, whatever happened to us being all equal?

-says he will deal with street level drug dealing at a minimum wage affair.

-admitted to his use of marijuana and cocaine in both highschool and college

- his religious views seem very sketchy, and seems like hes hiding something (which most if not all politicians do hide certain things)

- says after being elected his first goal would be to meet with all muslim nations....why?

- opposes the patriot act

- voted to allow lawsuits against gun manufacturers

- supports universal healthcare

- voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo prisoners

- supports granting drivers liscense to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!? is that serious?

- supports extending welfare to ILLGEAL IMMIGRANTS!? i dont want my hard earned money going to anyone trying to take advantage of our countries system

- voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform

- voted yes on allowing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to participate in social security

- opposed to any efforts to privatize social security and instead, supports incrasing the amount of tax paid into Soc. Sec. yes, he wants to increase taxes

- voted no on repealing the alternative minimum tax which now hits the middle income brackets, another tax increase

- wants to raise the capital gains tax, another tax increase

i just found alot of this interesting, and thought some of u might as well


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Oct 6 2008 4:15PM
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papasteeze
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$800,000  is what he gave them.  That is a fact. 
Oct 10 2008 12:54PM
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PhaedeD
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sorry birth records. not ones that say he was born in 2 different hospitals because that would be tough to be born in 2 different hospitals.



Oct 10 2008 1:11PM
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PhaedeD
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liberals can make up all the conspiracies they want and no one says shit we bring up facts that you cant actually prove are false and you freak the fuck out.

you will love this one drew.

obama reminds me of hitler.
Oct 10 2008 1:55PM
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Ben.
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your a fucking moron. what conspiracies have you heard from liberals. oh yeah palin is actually an alien from mars. i swear i read it on some random website that lacked any credibility.
Oct 10 2008 2:02PM
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J.D.
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Hahahaha... once again, about that education... did no one ever point out to you that it's logically impossible to prove something is false?

I was never buying all the people crying racism until lately... but the last week or so with all the "he's not like us" and "he's an illegal" and "he's a terrorist", "look at the colour of his skin" is barely beneath the surface. Fairly disgusting, and McCain is a much better man than his campaign would suggest.
Oct 10 2008 2:05PM
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papasteeze
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Any thoughts on Obama giving nearly a million dollars who are in the midst of a huge multi state voter fraud investigation?  I'm sure it was just bad judgment on his part.  oops..
Oct 10 2008 2:05PM
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Ben.
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Quite possibly yes.


We can turn this both ways. look at mccain and his relations with the keating five. This can go both ways my friend.
Oct 10 2008 2:09PM
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J.D.
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Because, they're both... Austrian?
Oct 10 2008 2:13PM
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papasteeze
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The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality", or a variation on that. This was stated by John F. Kennedy and attributed by him to Dante 
Oct 10 2008 2:15PM
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Ben.
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or for that matter his advisor Mike Dennehy, trying to get a lenient sentence for a man convicted of multiple felonies


Or his alleged involvement with Abramoff

Need i keep going?


Oct 10 2008 2:16PM
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Campeador
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I don't know why everyone is still freaking out. Obama is going to win, I give it 85-15 for Obama. McCain is just a weak candidate, I admire him as a person, but as a candidate he is weak. I agree that the recent fallback into Hillary Clinton style primary politics by the McCain campaign is an act of desperation.
Oct 10 2008 2:17PM
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papasteeze
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what was the moral crisis that kennedy was referring too?
Oct 10 2008 2:18PM
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Ben.
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I think the last 8 years are a great example of what happens when you jump to conclusions, and react too quickly..
Oct 10 2008 2:19PM
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papasteeze
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The last 8 years have been very, very good to me.  I choose to jump to conclusions.  :P
Oct 10 2008 2:21PM
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PhaedeD
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once again can you please explain to me how a cunt which means vagina can cry? now they do get wet when you turn them on this most likely is something you know nothing about.

promising change he cant deliver, no experience, good speaker, trying to win a country over in a rough time(makes it easier because people want to believe things that arent true), umm brainwashing the youth( if you deny this you are an idiot, you go out and ask 85% of 18-23 year olds why they are voting for obama and they wont really be able to tell you why) the list could go on.


freak out as in attack and call people names such as cunt which is very over used and well you should use that when calling someone a pussy because i dont agree with you doesnt make me a pussy.

i do actually like when you come back with name calling though it makes me laugh just shows how immature you are. someone doesnt agree with you so lets call them names, jeeez are we still in 3rd grade here.
Oct 10 2008 2:21PM
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Ben.
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hahaha not you. i was more referring to the man in charge....
Oct 10 2008 2:22PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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ight you can say wat ever you want but I really think that this is really goin to come back and really hurt Obama
Oct 10 2008 2:23PM
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twsnow22
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haha so true... i have only met a few kids at college who dont absolutely love obama... and if you ask them why they either say something negative about McCain... like he is too old... or they just talk about how im racist for disagreeing with obama. some of this kids are retarded tho but some actually think they are super informed.
Oct 10 2008 2:26PM
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Ben.
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first of all your not funny or clever, dont try to be.

how do you know he cant deliver that change? got any proof?

ahh experience. this has been debated a thousand times but if you wanna talk experience look at the failure that is mccains vp candidate.

good speaker... wait... thats a bad thing? OMG HES A GOOD SPEAKER! he must be lying

trying to win the country over in a rough time. you fucking idiot hes a politician. how do you suppose he gets votes, by NOT winning over the people?

brainwashing the youth. have you ever looked at the youth during ANY presidential election. 75% have no fucking clue, ever. they just vote for whoever mommy and daddy vote for.

Oct 10 2008 2:27PM
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Campeador
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Not exactly.
Oct 10 2008 2:31PM
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Ben.
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perhaps not to level of this election, but lets be real, its not obamas fault. think of the kennedy years and how many people went nuts over him. alot of kids loved him not cuz of his policies but because they thought it was the cool thing to do.
Oct 10 2008 2:34PM
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Sno.
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hey drew, king of pointing out all fallacies, were you going to point out this negative proof?? Or is it ok to let them slide when they're used be someone agreeing with you?
Oct 10 2008 2:39PM
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J.D.
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Just because everyone loves guilt by association so much... "McCain has befriended a convicted felon who advised his supporters on how best to shoot federal officials, used the money of a convicted criminal to help buy a house, befriended a radical anti-Catholic televangelist, befriended a radical anti-American televangelist, was a long-time associate of Charles Keating, and hired for his campaign the publisher of a Confederate nostalgia magazine who has described Nelson Mandela as a "terrorist." This week, we also learned about McCain serving on the board of the extremist U.S. Council for World Freedom, where he worked alongside Iran-Contra figures, and a eugenics researcher studying "white superiority."
Oct 10 2008 2:40PM
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Campeador
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I meant voting for mommy and daddy's choice. Many students find themselves "enlightened" by the apparent fairness of leftist politics. Even I did at one point.

When actually taxes cause more harm than they do good. They create a huge amount of deadweight loss and disincentive. Many programs put in place to help the poor actually cause more harm indirectly.

I also think its funny how democrats always invoke the name of JFK. JFK was more of a Republican than he was a Democrat, he actually lowered marginal taxes (imagine that!), and created a surge in the economy.


Oct 10 2008 2:52PM
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Ben.
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im not saying im guaranteeing he CAN bring change either. but if were gonna get hypothetical like he is, why bother voting at all? how do i know any candidate is gonna do what he says?
Oct 10 2008 2:53PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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yo whats with you and drew dissin on everyones eduaction...
Oct 10 2008 3:00PM
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Ben.
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i dont diss on everyones, i diss on this kids because he clearly has no clue what the fuck hes talking about
Oct 10 2008 3:03PM
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Sno.
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that's a slippery slope you're climbing...

pun intended.
Oct 10 2008 4:33PM
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Sno.
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um. voting record usually helps.
Oct 10 2008 4:34PM
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PhaedeD
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exactly how you democrats think. if they dont agree with me they are wrong and have no idea what they are talking about.


Oct 10 2008 6:03PM
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mackinnon
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lollllllllll
Oct 10 2008 6:04PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Oh please. If you're going to stereotype, I'm going to call all republicans brash ignorant gun-toting rednecks.
Oct 10 2008 6:07PM
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PhaedeD
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ya sorry i didnt mean it like that i was more just saying you as in those 2 little boys.
Oct 10 2008 6:07PM
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Nico_G
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O SHIT that kids name is KUSHBLUNTS WITH A CAPITAL K!!!!!! HE MUST SMOKE MARIJUANA!!!!! ZZOMOGZZZZZ YOUR SOO HARD!!!!
Oct 10 2008 6:17PM
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Ben.
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you may notice when i argue with people like skiminn or quinny i dont call morons. why? because they actually have well thought out opinions, rather than just spouting idiocy like you do. it has nothing to do with democrats and republicans, it has to do with knowing what your talking about
Oct 10 2008 6:18PM
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mackinnon
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YES.

i just voted earlier today (absentee ballot). one more for mccain.
Oct 10 2008 6:22PM
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Alex_G
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dude don't be sarcastic...hes sooooo hard! especially during videochats with skiers whose nuts hes on!
Oct 10 2008 7:03PM
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7-11_Slurpee
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I dont have anything against obama as a person. but i think his ideas are a bit too extreme. Universal healthcare as one of them.
Oct 10 2008 8:42PM
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mackinnon
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word. universal healthcare is unrealistic and a bit socialist in my mind.
Oct 10 2008 8:47PM
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miker92
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woohoo! someone in this thread talking about real issues!

im a little undecided on universal healthcare. i mean it sounds great but youre right about whether it could actually work. i think its japan that has a really legit universal health care system that actually works out considering their government, the size of their country, etc. itd have to be tweaked quite a bit to work here.

as for the socialism thing, im gonna throw it out there that i have really liberal views except i tend to lean more economically conservative. i support basic socialist principles under the assumption that they could be instituted in an ideal situation. because this isnt the case, i support a free market. this all leads me to question how the hell the government can buy up almost a trillion dollars of assets without a huge mccarthyist outcry. that whole thing scares me a lot more than universal healthcare does.
Oct 10 2008 10:59PM
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PhaedeD
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redistribution of wealth is what communist countries try and do, it doesn't seem to work well.
Oct 11 2008 12:05AM
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josh.
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dkushblunts your a spoiled sheltered brat who doesn't now a lick of any thing related to politics

and universal health care works, at least here in Canada, i can choose my doctor and i dont have to wait in massive lines to get into the e-room, even walk in clinics aren't very crowded, and as far as i know mri's and other things of that sort arent very crowded.
Oct 11 2008 2:28AM
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Ben.
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again. know what your talking about!!! universal healthcare isnt a redistribution of wealth like communist countries. There will still be rich, middle class, and poor. The poor just might have health insurance.
Oct 11 2008 5:25AM
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PhaedeD
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lol ya redistribution of wealth in other countries isnt for health care.
Oct 11 2008 9:21AM
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PhaedeD
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btw josh before you want to be an idiot why dont you read where i nicely asked jd about the canadian health care system because i wasnt fully aware of how well it works. im not talking about canada though im talking about places like russia.
Oct 11 2008 9:22AM
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Ben.
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what? you idiot redistribution of wealth in communist countries is to make all people "equal" economically. something thats not a part of that plan anywhere because it doesnt work
Oct 11 2008 11:50AM
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PhaedeD
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dude i know!!! i get that im saying it doesnt work... sure maybe it will work here but i dunno i guess we will have to wait and see.
Oct 11 2008 12:48PM
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J.D.
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A little message to fearmongers and those the fearmongers have suckered in, from John McCain himself, finally taking the high road for at least 30 seconds of his campaign:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/MSNBC-McCain-DefendsObama.wmv?mid=6568

(Rally attendee says he is afraid of bringing his kid up under an Obama presidency)

McCain: "He is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States. If I didn't think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be running."

...

Older Woman: "I have read about him. He's an Arab".

McCain: "No, ma'am. No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."

I honestly think McCain hates this business of lying, misleading and fearmongering that's been going on for the past week. He seems really deflated and disappointed by it all, and is grudgingly playing along because his campaign staff tells him it's the best way to narrow the gap in the polls. But he really needs to tell them to shut up and run this thing right, win or lose, because you do not put "country first" by dividing that country to win an election... and if he wins this election out of fear and hate, that's what the result will be: a bitterly divided US, much like the last 4-5 years.
Oct 11 2008 1:32PM
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mackinnon
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has anybody looked at the UK's universal health care system? personally, i would not want to be depending on that...
Oct 11 2008 2:03PM
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twintipteles
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I will definitely vote for mccain/palin because obama is such a cowardly, america hating communist. I mean, Palin is obviously the true patriot evidenced by her husbands seven year membership in the AIP. What screams out a true love of america like joining a group who's founder states ""The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."




Sarcasm.
Oct 11 2008 2:55PM
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