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osama? you mean obama?
and perhaps thats because he realizes his religion has no business in his government job.

Again, what the fuck do you know? You've read a couple of books for your ethnic studies class in college and you seem to think you're an expert. You can take that poli sci degree and shove it up your ass, since it has done you no good. You seem to only use it spending all your time jerking off to how bad you "pwn" kids with your "intellectually superior" responses to threads on a website. Its about time someone called you out, no one gives a fuck that you have the incredible ability to ban screen names, you're opinion isn't worth more because your name is green. You scout through US political threads like its your job.

Again, you side-step the real issue. Instead of addressing what I said, you instead resort to calling me racist yet again. How can I be racist against Hispanics? I AM Hispanic you dumb fuck!

Perhaps in another sad attempt by you to "pwn a noob" on a website, you missed the part where I said that a significant number of those who cross the border aren't an accurate representation of the majority of Mexicans?

You seemed to also miss the part where I addressed saying Mexican trash is the equivalent of saying White trash. It doesn't inherently make them trash, since you seem to accuse me of that, but it simply identifies their race, since white trash and mexican trash are fundamentally different.

"The fact that you have mexican friends (oh, how enlightened of you to see fit to grace them with your presence)"
Again you missed the point completely. I said they were my best friends you fool. Of my 4 closest friends that I have, two are Mexican and one is Chilean, I hope that puts it into perspective for you moron.

As I said the majority of illegals come from the border regions as well as the poorest state of Michoacan. Central America and South America make up less than 10% of Hispanics in the US. And more often than not (especially for South Americans), they're here legally.

You seem to also miss the part where I say I support expanding legal immigration from Latin American countries, while putting a complete stop to illegal immigration. If I was a racist wouldn't I want all Mexicans kept out?

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/11/26/news/top_stories/20_13_1611_25_07.txt

Historical examples abound of people of all walks of life being conscripted to express points of view that don't seem to make sense given their backgrounds. It doesn't matter who you are or who your best friends are, or where you've been in your life, and suggesting that those things somehow alter the content of your argument is inherently fallacious. All that makes a difference here is the views you express, and yes, they are surreptitiously racist, and that thinly-veiled quality makes them dangerous. That doesn't mean that you really hate people of a certain background, or want to keep them all out of your country. Apparently you're nowhere near astute enough to understand the implications of your own words, so I could hardly express enough faith in you to accuse you of that based on a few posts on an internet forum. That would be a compliment to your intellect that you've done nothing to show you deserve. However, my original post with regard to what you HAVE said stands. It is racist, and nothing you've just said contradicts anything in the preceding post, except this:

"You seemed to also miss the part where I addressed saying Mexican trash is the equivalent of saying White trash. It doesn't inherently make them trash, since you seem to accuse me of that, but it simply identifies their race, since white trash and mexican trash are fundamentally different."

This is fundamentally wrong on the simple basis that white people as a group are not at risk of political marginalization, since we control the system. The racial aspect is in fact precisely what differentiates the two phrases. That "Mexican Trash" you refer to is at a distinct disadvantage from the get-go in terms of representation and financial backing and the language barrier, and are therefore one of society's most vulnerable groups when it comes to political will militating against them and pushing them into a realm where they effectively lose equal status. The mainstream legitimization of attitudes you're putting forward are a significant step in that direction, and the only decent thing to do when they're expressed is to say "your opinion is deplorable and I think less of you for holding it". People seem to think that hedging these viewpoints by saying "now I have some mexican friends" or "I don't think this represents ALL mexicans" somehow removes the sting, and so nothing is said and hate is allowed to propogate itself. But it's not okay, and something should be said: you ought to be ashamed of yourself, and yes, so far as that's concerned, your ethnic background is kind of relevant.

As far as your whiny little personal attacks on me, do you think perhaps that the reason I "scout out" US political threads is because I'm interested in the US political arena? By the way, I quoted "scout out" there directly from your post. I'd like to know where the "intellectually superior" and "pwn a noob" quotes came from in yours, because I don't recall ever having said either, nor mention that I can ban people, nor that mods' opinions are more worthwhile (exhibit a: papasteeze), nor that I'm an expert, nor than I have a poli sci degree; I'm actually taking law. But that's fine, no one could have expected you to get any of that right at this point, so no apology necessary. It would be more appropriate to apologize for any offense taken by a member of the mexican community, though, and I invite you to do so in arenas where you've spewed this trash before.

Nothing brings out deep seated racism like politics.

You are a racist!   :P   hahaha  gotcha!   Shame on you for saying that.  jokes....  anyways...

Any thoughts on the hidden anti-obama vote?  I had some interesting conversations today and ironically and coincidently, the race issue is rearing its head.

Another really bad subject to talk about is one that I hear a lot but have yet to see it posted and that is the speculation of how long before someone "gets" him. 

I think the "hidden anti-Obama vote" is something that can't be assessed until it's all said and done in November, but it worries me in Florida. Not so much in Ohio. But who knows what role it'll play, maybe it'll just come out in states he would've lost anyway.

I also think that while you can kill anyone, as they say, assassinating a president in this day and age is as close to impossible as makes no odds. I would lay a pretty weighted bet that he'll live out his term.

dude i know athesist that find abortion wrong. I cant belive we live in a world where it is cool to kill inocent humans. Obama is untrustworthy and may sound like a sly guy but i can tell he is hiding something.

im conservative  as well...  but you just made us all look retarded

assassinating a president really wouldnt be very hard at all i dont understand what you are talking about lol. to do it and get away with yes to do it just to do it and not give a shit what happens after that wouldnt be hard.


on a side note, jd what exactly do you do for the less fortunate and how many homeless people have you brought into your home?

I'll just end this argument by restating what I wrote before. There's nothing racist about wanting to enforce your country's immigration laws. Expand legal immigration, stop illegal immigration. Allow members of the hard-working, ethical Mexican population in, keep the trash out.




I want immigrants from Mexico Central America to be able to come over here legally. Its necessary that we start keeping track of who is coming in and out of this country. Keep track of who has a criminal record and who does not. Encourage those who come over here legally to learn English and assimilate into US society, rather than form a separate society within a society. Prevent employers from paying illegals under the table and cheating the system out of tax dollars, while lining their pockets by exploiting those who are too afraid to stand up for themselves.

lol. i agree with abortion but only to a certain extent. rape would be a yes to abortion, if its in the first month or 2 yes thats fine. obama is ok with post birth abortion if anyone knows what that is lol. a lot of babies were saved my nurses and put up for adoption while the mother thinks the child was taken out of her and just left on a table to die.

Word. JD - if you disagree with this, you're wrong. If you call racist, you're an idiot. There's really not much of a choice here.

wouldent post birth abortion just be murder..... that is so  messed up...is he really fine with that? I dont like abortion either but im pretty sure anyone who is down with abortion wouldent be down with that

Lastly, how can someone not have anything but contempt for people like this. This is what I mainly refer to as Mexican trash, the strong criminal subculture among illegal immigrants and the 2nd generation.

for being so well educated, owner of a company and politically enlightened you sure spend a lot of time on a ski website populated by people half your age.

how the fuck is rape not an exception??

That's a massive oversimplification that ignores everything written on the subject by ethicists regarding developmental moral personhood. There are plenty of legitimate "in between" positions... You are in some sense right in saying that his position implies it's okay to kill innocents in defense of the bodily integrity of a rape victim, but some people (JJ Thompson for example) put forward a case made by analogy that that's actually not all that objectionable a view. I think abortion is a legitimate debate, though I am pro-choice. I really hope technology solves the problem eventually, though touchy feelings on the subject have and will no doubt continue to weigh down scientific progress.

so anyone that supports abortion is untrustworthy? like half the country does

He's saying that if you think getting an abortion is murdering a child, it makes no sense to say "but where the child was created by rape, it's okay to murder them". Which it doesn't, but it depends on your views on when a fetus can be attributed moral personhood to the extent that it warrants the protection of society, to put it in an extremely crude way.

maybe he is trying to teach you something??

i guess if he has a business and is well educated and can find a lot of time to be on this website means he must be doing something right.

I assume when you say this your talking about the Induced Infant Liability Act, something he voted "present" (not for or against) on, not because he wants to abort born babies, but because the wording of the bill may have forced doctors to attemt to revive aborted babies born waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay earlier than that.

once again another present vote... interesting.

did you read my whole post, and why he voted present?

ya. so what he voted present like 140 times or something and actually yes or no like 5. as president you need to be able to make decisions.

haha what a pussy way to vote

- says after being elected his first goal would be to meet with all muslim nations....why?



are u fucking dumb, he would try and sort the problems out over there instead of just blowing the shit out of the countries. Also the better friends u are with them the easer it is to get oil and its cheaper. Working with the countries we can help get terrorist.....

clearly we must always jump to conclusions immediately. think with your dick not with your brain.

shut the fuck up

these people never liked us, they hated us before we went over there and started bombing them or whatever.

hmm, somehow i think they might have liked us a little better before we invaded like imperialistic assholes. it might also have to do with the absurd amount of blind support we have for israel. is Ahmadinejad a scary fucker? hell yeah. but what no one points out is that the israelis would just as much love to see iran and the rest of the muslim nations wiped off the map.

just to make it clear, this is NOT me talking...


i know a muslim man who was born and raised in Lebanon, his feelings on iran are as fallows.. "bomb them, they are not peaceful muslims, they are terrorists"

again not me, but someone who is pretty close to the situation.....

i am lebanese and i have heard a few people from lebanon speak like that.

kind of a generalization, and i agree, a large portion of them are nuts. but not all of the middle east is. and really? would talking hurt? i have a feeling not talking is kinda what got us into this situation in the first place.
also why do we choose to support israel, when they are just as nuts? id like to see a more middle ground approach rather than taking sides

you dont think we have tried talking... as crazy as america has acted the last few years i doubt they were just like fuck these people lets just hit them with a surprise attack and fuck them up. no they talked and it didnt work.

it wasnt working? we had a much better relationship up until about 8 years ago. the minute he entered office people knew one of his plans was to go into iraq. needless to say they werent psyched. bush didnt want to talk he wanted to invade, and nothing was gonna stop that. THAT is a large portion of why they hate us. am i saying they are gonna love us? no, but perhaps not hate us anymore.

opposes the patriot act...
the only thing he has said attractive but then again mcCain is just as bad if not worse
RON PAUL 08 hhah

i dont support bush to try and make it seem like i do.

dont try*

i never said you did. i simply said his last 8 years have fucked us over, with his entire lack of diplomacy.

ya i agree and we need to fix what has happened and on that note since im sure bush wanted some oil money fuck it im over arab oil why the fuck cant we drill in our own country for our own fucking oil?

or better yet find other sources of energy! but to a degree i agree thats better than dependance on foreign oil. im fine with offshore drilling, but i dont want to see it in alaska personally.

because we have been raping  the shit out of our natural resources for decades. the united states uses 25% of the worlds oil. we cant come close to getting this much out of Alaska. what we need to do it find alternative forms of energy. we will ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO find new forms in 20 years. so why not start now?
Obama '08!

ya man thats the point we use some of ours along with some foreign oil while finding new energy sources. we have enough oil in the united states to use for a long time. there are many more places to drill other than alaska.

well i agree with alot of the things he says.  maybe not the immigration stuff, but most of the other stuff

right... i guess we are getting at the same point from different angles. i agree with you

we are the united states why we are still relying on other countries for energy i dont know.

so do you have any negative things about obama you can share with us?

k so obama is a possible leader of our country... but he cant even stand up for what he believes so he votes present.... i can see how its stratigic but thats not a great quality in a leader

why, because he doesnt want to vote for something he doesnt believe in entirely, but supports aspects of it?
the current president has your way of thinking, commit commit commit. look where its gotten us

There are some small reserves in the US. Mostly natural gas. There is also oil in the form of oil shale or Bitumen in Colorado and Utah that some people think is around 1 trillion barrels. But there is no way to get it out of the ground economically right meow.

None of the people running know shit about the petroleum industry and I am talking about Palin too. Bull shit she knows what she is talking about.

Here is the deal. There is not enough domestic oil for this country EVER to be 100% energy efficient. However middle eastern oil contributes about 15-20% of our supply. We could stop that. But the real problem is that their massive reserves control the price.

I work in the oil and gas industry and I know that things are going to change. We need to develop alternative energy technology. Shit if everyone in America put a solar panel on their house energy crisis solved. Room temperature metal is not very efficient at conducting electricity the energy saved from even a low energy source on your roof is insane.

I could also see cars switching to CNG but that gets us into the same problem as oil and it is hard to transport and store.