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No I don't, but I agree that the post was pretty dead-on, made a hell of a lot of sense to me.

yes.  iran will annex the united states.  that is obama's foreign policy.  uh......

maybe more realistically than barak being a muslim terrorist, papa is asking the probability of obama's campaign taking foreign donations (and what is the total summation in $$ of these supposed donations from the middle east)? 

or maybe papa is asking instead of being held captive by domestic interest groups like most politicians, will obama held captive by foreign interest groups?  or maybe just a group of friends from college helped organize donations because they really believe he will contribute a better american foreign policy to the middle east?

Mccain is not going to win anyway...I personally can not wait until Obama gets into office!

well which is more likely; secret foreign interest groups controlling obama, or friends from college who believe he's got what it takes to turn things around?

and the whole pakistani roommate issue.  can you imagine the field day the creators of those mass "obama is a secret muslim terrorist" emails would have with that information? 

It's not that sure a thing, America is fucking stupid. Bible belt. The South. Moms who get wet for Palin. This isn't going to be clear cut by any means.

i inhaled frequently... that was the point-obama

this has to do with guantanamo bay prisoners, im not sure on the percentage but the majority of them are terrorists. If taking away their rights to investigate them, and to keep me safe from any acts of terrorism then so be it. The main goal of the government is to keep the citizens of the country safe.

l-voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out of state abortions. personally im against abortions all together, but if i had a daughter and she went and got an abortion and i wasnt notified about it, i would not be happy about that.

If she is old enough to get pregnant, shes old enough to decide whether or not to have the child.

-supports affirmative action in colleges and governments quotas. IMO, affrimative action was great for minorities a while back, but cmon now, i really dont think its necessary to give them advantages anymore, whatever happened to us being all equal?

Lets be fucking real here. they still arent equal

-says he will deal with street level drug dealing at a minimum wage affair.

Eh?

-admitted to his use of marijuana and cocaine in both highschool and college

No waiiiiii. McCain was in vietnam, somehow i could see him using drugs. Not to mention ill bet you alot of presidents have done drugs in the past, considering how many people have

- his religious views seem very sketchy, and seems like hes hiding something (which most if not all politicians do hide certain things)

Palins pastor led a witch hunt. wanna talk about sketchy religious views?

- says after being elected his first goal would be to meet with all muslim nations....why?

They hate us.... He might want to repair that.

- opposes the patriot act

Sorry but i have a right to privacy, we all do. Wheres the problem there.

- voted to allow lawsuits against gun manufacturers

Again, wheres the problem, if they didnt do anything wrong, prove it in court

- supports universal healthcare

Sounds like a good plan to me

- voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo prisoners

Guantanamo prisoners are SUSPECTED terrorists, SUSPECTED, they should have rights like anyone else

- supports granting drivers liscense to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!? is that serious?

Would love to see the whole story here. But seriously, they are driving anyways, why not make it legal.

- supports extending welfare to ILLGEAL IMMIGRANTS!? i dont want my hard earned money going to anyone trying to take advantage of our countries system

They work here... its not like they come in to live off the welfare system

- voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform

.....

- voted yes on allowing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to participate in social security

Again, they work here.

- opposed to any efforts to privatize social security and instead, supports incrasing the amount of tax paid into Soc. Sec. yes, he wants to increase taxes

Increase taxes for the rich weve been over this. And i dont want some company in charge of my social security.

- voted no on repealing the alternative minimum tax which now hits the middle income brackets, another tax increase

Are you retarded? voting no on repealing a tax isnt increasing a tax. its not getting rid of it.

- wants to raise the capital gains tax, another tax increase

This is sort of a variable tax, the richer you are, chances are the more capital gains you will have, and therefore more you will be paying into this.

i just found alot of this interesting, and thought some of u might as well


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FUCK EVERYONES RIGHTS! Government thinks theres a chance you might be a terrorist? throw your ass in guantanamo, investigation? fuck that, we think your a terrorist. well torture your ass, then kill you. sounds like a greaaat idea. what if your wrong?

yeah, take it to the MOST EXTREMEEEEE that would happen there

drew all that stuff matters man. i mean i forget if it mentioned his friend william ayres or something the guy that bombed an nypd station and something else, his wife was also a nut and did a bunch of shit with the weatherman bunch. the guy just has super scary ties to things.

you should also try and find out more about this thing going in eastern pa i think my dad said about how obama has yet to give up financial records and his birth certificate and a few other things which for one you have to show when you are one of the presidential candidates but also this judge in pa decided to open a case the obama party tried to get it squashed and the judge said no. i dunno much more about that but my dad was explaining it to me, sounded pretty shady.

if im accused of being a terrorist, or do i know what habeas corpus is....specify pleaseeee...and please the asshole name calling was not necessary, try to keep this mature as possible.

honest to god, no wiki look up here..


the right to trail by jury, due process, innocent until proven guilty.... i know i didnt ace that.....

i would hope you would know that justin....


and to you jaydope. thats not the extreme. its the government taking away human rights just to "protect america"

u dont know what goes on in guantanamo and neither do i, btu if its going ot protect me then yeah do what it takes to get rid of the terrorist organizations

honestly fuck those people.

i wasnt sure if u were serious when u said dont answer that MY DEEPEST APOLOGIES!!! i wouldnt know what i would do if i was held without habeas corpus, and we r not talkign about me or u here, we r talking abotu prisoners in Guantanamo bay, do u have feelings for them or something? becuase i sure as hell dont

wtf u think those people are going to do when u let them go.... go home and work at a starbucks...

u have alot of sympathy for criminals in guantanamo bay, thats scary

so you have no feelings for anyone who as ever been accused of a crime, wrong or right? nice

And  let me list the reasons you are a douchebag

-says he will deal with street level drug dealing at a minimum wage affair.
     This sentence does not make sense.

-admitted to his use of marijuana and cocaine in both highschool and college
     What do you give a fuck if he has done drug before.  Some of the smartest people I know smoke weed.

- his religious views seem very sketchy, and seems like hes hiding something (which most if not all politicians do hide certain things)
     What the fuck do you live in America for if not to practice the right to hold any religion you want. The fucking pilgrims came over here for that exact purpose.  I personally think you are a terrorist for even saying that.

- And Finally -

- opposes the patriot act
     The patriot act if the single most sketchy act that has ever been passed.  If you had ever read it you may have a bit different opinion of what you just said.

I realize the irony of me saying "what do you care if he has done drug" and saying that some of the smartest people I know smoke weed in the sentence, by the way.

a birth certificate shows where you were born i mean thats something the public would probably want to know the truth about thats all im saying.

for the most part when i meet someone or im learning about someone i dont know and i read all the stuff that papasteeze posted i judge them. i have to judge them, judgement is a part of life im sorry you dont like how i see obama. you are associated with the people you hangout and work with. you say you work with an urban terrorist group, not work with as in do shit with them but you do a news story or something. well thats fucked up if they are doing some major illegal shit. how can you just sit there and let them do whatever they are doing with contacting authorities.

whatever none of this really matters anyways obama will get elected and then assassinated nostradamus already predicted that shit.

Jay i totally disagree with you on almost everything and to be honest some of your views are scary as shit. but on a better note, ill see you at creek this season....when obama is President!

I'm not voting for him, but I wouldnt be upset if he won. 

And all those things that you said have nothing to do with any reason I would ever vote for any president.  I don't care what their view on abortion is, etc.

I only care about their economic policy that they aim to implement.  Because that is all that effects me.

All other matters should be done on the state level. 

i know rezko or whatever is a fraud and obama bought a super expensive house when he had no fucking money.... how does that work. why cant i buy a huge fucking house, damn to bad i cant get rezko to get some arabs to toss over a few million for my crib. i know obamas wife is a fraud, taking pay from a non profit hospital.. 150k a year.

it does seem a little strange to be able to graduate from columbia, have a $12,000 job for a couple years, then go to harvard law school. 

unless his "rich white grandparents" set up a college fund, or he got full rides, or some secret muslim society is funding the biggest conspiracy known to mankind, then shouldn't he be swimming in debt?  i would like to know a little more about this, if anyone has an knowledge of his fiscal history. 

ya everyone would but he wont release his financial records and birth certificate which you are REQUIRED to do as a presidential candidate.

oh and drew, ya guilty by association. i dont know obama im going to catagorize him with his friends, family, church, people who have taught him in his life and many other people/things. just like the guy that taught him a bunch of shit in hawaii i forget the guys name but i know that he was a huge part of the communist party in russia until he was forced to leave russia. so obama has been taking notes from communist/socialist, thats not really what i want in office and i mean if you listen to the shit he is saying it is very communist/socialist.

haha and jay i just read what u wrote about your karma haha since these 2 threads and me taking mccains side my karma has went down like 2,000 points hahaha! people think like taking karma away really hurts or something lol

Schlorships and loans just the everybody. And help from family.

You guys on here are being insane and racist. In college I lived with 2 kids from Saudia Arabia who were devout Muslims, and they were some of the most consinderate and kind people I have ever met.

Whatever if you are afraid of change and far right you will believe whatever you want but listen, take a step back and look at the statements that you are making. You are sounding like 911 conspiricy people.

jay dope I suggest you stop responding to this thread, you really are making your self look like a fool. your rational concerning habeus corpus is on the level of an 8th graders. Im just trying to help you out buddy.

If we're going off the politically correct definition, which I do not agree with at all, they're "freedom fighters".

i still think drew is a terrorist.

Apparently he wont disclose his early financials because he does not have to?  Lame.  He should show everyone how the American system can work for them since he says that only in America could a person like him rise to the presidency.

Where there is smoke there is fire.  I still think this guy is on a mission for himself and no one else.

what christian likes abortion srsly?

random AND pointless.

I could only imagine who'd be placed on THAT blacklist...

hahaha not really osama is all for it

Haha you're an idiot, two of my best friends are Mexican. There's no difference in differentiating white people from white trash and Mexican people from Mexican trash. Maybe you "enlightened" Canadians should take all of them, they'd love your free health care.

Its not so much even the illegals that I dislike, many of them are good people. However, that does not change the fact that they are from the dregs of the social ladder. They reproduce like its nobody's business, and their kids are a plague. Even in Mexico, those border cities are full of Mecian trash (see I said it again), not even surfers will drive down anymore. They don't accurately portray the majority of Mexican people, however they are the majority of those who hop the border, and they are trash.

These people are dangerous, if you don't believe me J.D. why don't you take a tour of Baja California Norte? We'll see if you come back alive. I doubt you've ever even been in a 3rd world country, unless you were behind the gates of an all-inclusive hotel.

Lets just say there would be a lot shorter lines in airports...


I honestly think this war we are in right now is based on ignorance of the Islamic world... just like the Vietnam War and Korean wars happened over ignorance over what was going on in China...


I'm sure if a new Mccarthyism came along today, everyone in a turban would be an outcast...


In fact.. it almost came to that directly after 911.... pretty sad.

did u end up making ur flight?

Wow. You're actually a bad person on top of your ignorance. Congratulations, you've fully failed at life.

The fact that you have mexican friends (oh, how enlightened of you to see fit to grace them with your presence) does not detract from the racism, offered expressly or surreptitously, in what you've said. Nor does the caveat "it's not all of them, just some of them".

First, the phrase "Mexican Trash" is inherently racist because it implies that some aspect of their being "trash" results from their being "Mexican". Otherwise, there would be no reason to mention their race. The fact that you do demonstrates that you think their hispanic identity is significant to their being "trash", to the notion that they "breed like a plague" and that they're "dangerous" (you know this is the first time I think I've seen fear walk hand in hand with racism... oh wait).

Actually the simple fact that you call them all "Mexicans" is in itself revealing, people from central America result from a variety of backgrounds and aren't describable by some amorphous national identity you're ascribing to them. Having lived in Chile one would think you'd have become aware of this, but then, as earlier noted, you're spectacularly ignorant. Consequently this blindness isn't all that surprising, and properly qualifies you to host a conservative radio show. Congratulations.

This kind of attitude is the result of racism not being addressed as readily anymore, and the assumption that bigotry is now somehow dead. It seeps back in through the extremes of the right side of the political spectrum and poisons the discourse until it starts having real political effect and people start being directly marginalized, whether they be classified by race or simply lumped into categories that effectively contain those races like, say, those living below the poverty line... hey look: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5886592&page=1 . Half of the reason you seem to think they're so dangerous is because of criminal convictions, but whose attitude is putting them there? To paraphrase Tim Quigly, the unemployed, transients, the poorly educated are all better candidates for imprisonment.  When the social, political and economic aspects of our society place certain groups disproportionately within these economic ranks, society literally sentences more of them to jail. So no, the "Mexicans" aren't really the dangerous ones. People like you are.

dude she was on the board of trustees or something, that position is held by people that give money to the hospital not take money from it. my grandmother is on the board at a hospital she gives like 100 grand a year to it. Is everyone so blind that they dont see the connections between obama and the middle east?

You're being pretty ignorant.

First of all, I'm from California, so I feel the "brunt" of this whole immigration wave thing coming in...

Whenever I've gone down to Tijuana, or Mexicali, or Tecate, in Baja California (Not Baja California Norte.. nobody calls it Norte.. ever..) I've had a great time. Sure, the people are typically poor, but shit.. its the same as almost every other part of mexico I've been to.. Mexico City, Mazatlan, Cabo, Guadaljara... I've never been to Cancun, but I'd imagine it would be very similar to any Mexican resort city with high american influence, and be very much like Cabo San Lucas or Puerto Vallarta.



I have stayed in the best hotels, and some of the worst. I have DRANK THAT WATER... There are good parts of mexico, and bad parts... saying that the boarder towns in the north are full of Mexican trash is the most retarded thing you can ever say.. the country has a corrupt government, and a huuge differentiation between rich and poor.

I have had a great time in Mexico... In all parts of the country... Just because all the people dont live in endless suburbs in fake houses, driving fake cars doesnt mean they are trash...

Yeah, he doesn't look like you so he must be a terrorist. Is this actually okay to you? Do you even know what a "trustee" is? They're entitled to recompense for their role in the administration of the trust assets, usually as determined by the trust instrument (as was the case here).

God the Right is getting desperate and crazy lately. Do you guys really think you're going to convince people Obama is a terrorist who embezzles money from sick kids? Come the fuck on.

maybe she wasnt a trustee but she was something else that is not supposed to receive any money from the hospital but she did. look it up its in the news search google for it. on a side note i dont understand why you care so much JD you live in canada right? the usa does effect canada somewhat but why dont you just worry about canada a little more than the US. maybe start a thread about canadian politics or something.

btw JD you were right though they can be receive pay from the hospital but somehow she went from being payed $120,000 a year to $316,000. 120 was in 2004 before he took senate office 2005 he took office and her salary doubled. i dont know how that works but it just doesnt make sense in my head. then again a lot of things dont make sense to me. if you can explain that, that would be awesome!

There are any number of reasons compensation packages can rise, and they operate on essentially the same basis as salaries. That it doesn't "look good" to someone superficially glancing over the numbers makes it perfect fodder for cheap political stunts: the more dramatic something is, and the more you have to do your research to really understand what's going on (no one wants to do research, that takes effort), the better it will play with empty vessels at rallies, regardless of what side you're on. For example, the BC Liberal party (which oddly enough is actually our conservative party and aren't liberal at all... go figure) recently raised bureaucratic salaries for people in government, which have basically doubled in the last couple of years. On the surface that just looks like they gave themselves big pay hikes, so everyone got upset about it. Realistically though, the increase was matched to compete with salaries for similar jobs in other provinces. If you aren't willing to raise the pay rate to compete, the really good labour is going to go to those who pay more. It's just common sense, in any context.

As for your other post, I doubt you'd be telling me to go post somewhere else if I didn't disagree with you. Silencing dissenting opinions... doesn't sound very American, now does it? I care about the US elections because they're crucial to what happens to the world (it hasn't just been US financial institutions collapsing lately, you might have noticed) and there is a real question as to which direction the country will go in after January. Up here, it's pretty much business as usual in the political sphere. I don't think the Conservatives will get their majority government, nor do I think the Liberals and NDP will be able to form a coalition government. Status quo. Next election, once Michael Ignatieff takes over the reigns, will be a lot more interesting.

i just dont understand how here pay almost doubled in 1 year and i believe she was a vice president or something and also the PR person for the hospital. none of the other VP's of the hospital got a raise like that.