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What Obama is all about, check it out

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JayDope
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So after seeing countless threads ragging on mccain and palin, i came up with a few things that obama is all about, maybe it will change some of ur minds on voting for him, maybe not? I just thought id share some of this with u. Try not to make any arguements, just read it and post ur opinions, and lemme know if it has changed ur mind at all

-voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out of state abortions. personally im against abortions all together, but if i had a daughter and she went and got an abortion and i wasnt notified about it, i would not be happy about that.

-supports affirmative action in colleges and governments quotas. IMO, affrimative action was great for minorities a while back, but cmon now, i really dont think its necessary to give them advantages anymore, whatever happened to us being all equal?

-says he will deal with street level drug dealing at a minimum wage affair.

-admitted to his use of marijuana and cocaine in both highschool and college

- his religious views seem very sketchy, and seems like hes hiding something (which most if not all politicians do hide certain things)

- says after being elected his first goal would be to meet with all muslim nations....why?

- opposes the patriot act

- voted to allow lawsuits against gun manufacturers

- supports universal healthcare

- voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo prisoners

- supports granting drivers liscense to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!? is that serious?

- supports extending welfare to ILLGEAL IMMIGRANTS!? i dont want my hard earned money going to anyone trying to take advantage of our countries system

- voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform

- voted yes on allowing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to participate in social security

- opposed to any efforts to privatize social security and instead, supports incrasing the amount of tax paid into Soc. Sec. yes, he wants to increase taxes

- voted no on repealing the alternative minimum tax which now hits the middle income brackets, another tax increase

- wants to raise the capital gains tax, another tax increase

i just found alot of this interesting, and thought some of u might as well


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Oct 6 2008 4:15PM
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beer.
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but the guy is smart, and more educated on the subject at hand than you and me.  I am not sure what possesses him to argue to such lengths with an arrogant little asian kid who thinks he knows everything after 1 year of college as a poli sci major, or a guy named KUSHBLUNTS though.
Oct 17 2008 1:53PM
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Dustin.
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Haha, why exactly do you suspect he is more educated.
Oct 17 2008 2:08PM
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J.D.
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For someone I've never spoken to or even noticed posting here, you seem to have developed a strong dislike for me. And no, they're not "foolish" or "disorganized" (odd that you should critique non-ordinary use and then say "unorganized), they're merely stylistic choices, and legitimate ones. "Firstly" is hardly Shakespearean. This practice of calling people out on archaic rules that were never rules to begin with and whose application now is laughable makes you an academic prig, not to mention incorrect. This whole argument is of course irrelevant, but the point is, if you're going to characterize someone as being categorically wrong on a point, you'd better know what you're talking about, and here, you didn't. Neither "first" nor "firstly" is right. Neither is wrong. This is the case whether we're talking about modern or traditional usage. You'll find grammarians on both sides of the issue, but as always, the OED is law.

And who the hell are you to tell people they can't say "thither"?
Oct 17 2008 2:12PM
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Sno.
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I think People have an inherent instinct to try and catch arrogant, elitist, know-it-alls when they falter.  You win this time, he was wrong. But I can hardly blame him for trying.

Oct 17 2008 2:25PM
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J.D.
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If the guy I was talking to wasn't an "arrogant, elistist, know-it-all", then apparently I don't know what those things mean.

By the way, I've never claimed to know it all, or even a lot, about anything aside from certain specific areas of the law, philosophy and English, on which I'm still obviously no expert. Just an expert by comparison to the majority of the population, having studied them a fair bit in school.

I'll never understand why my responses to people bitching at me give me a reputation as arrogant or elitist. If people want to be assholes, I'm obviously going to respond in kind.
Oct 17 2008 2:31PM
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Sno.
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Because you're so quick to jump on the grammar train
Oct 17 2008 2:39PM
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J.D.
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I don't recall ever having made that the focus of any post, unless you mean my comment on choosing words carefully earlier. In the case of legal writing, word choice is essential, simply because judges are notorious for obsessing over the meaning of a particular word used in an instrument or statute in order to determine the author's purpose. Consequently it was worth mentioning in the context, which pertained to legal writing, and hardly "elitist".
Oct 17 2008 2:44PM
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J.D.
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I wish I could change the title of threads so that I could make this one "Why JD is a dick". Someone should make that one in site discussion.
Oct 17 2008 2:46PM
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Sno.
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I don't think you're a dick. But! "dick" was the first thing to go through my mind when I read this (and I don't even like jumeister):

Firstly, why you're using the word "regard" in this context baffles me. I assume you're trying to sound smart, but just say "look at".

Oct 17 2008 2:50PM
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beer.
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that sentence for starters.  just kidding.

I dunno I just doubt you're in law school, I could be wrong though.  not saying that you aren't law school material, I don't know you, but that you might not be that age yet.  also JD lists a lot of very relevant facts, so aside from formal education, he also is pretty well-read.  moreso than me, and I try to keep up to date on shit.
Oct 17 2008 2:51PM
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J.D.
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Okay. Touché. In my defense he was being an asshole to a friend.
Oct 17 2008 2:53PM
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Static
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^ there're video's on hulu and youtube as well for those interested in watching rather than reading, which takes a little juice out of the jokes. McCain was kinda funny too.
Oct 17 2008 8:57PM
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ThaLorax
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agreed. i never said that gaining citizenship should be like going to a grocery store and purchasing milk.
Oct 17 2008 10:05PM
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wilkesyachtingco
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no retard. more taxes for everyone who has a retirement account, everyone who owns stock, or anything of the kind.  you are probably the biggest moron on this website. you are a swineherd.
Oct 17 2008 10:05PM
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twintipteles
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Obama was awesome, I'm about to watch mccain's.
Oct 17 2008 10:05PM
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twintipteles
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fuck, I can't seem to embed this, heres the link

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/dintofinley/2008/10/the-october-surprise-barack-ob.php
Oct 17 2008 10:10PM
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J.D.
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Are only 75% of capital gains included in the taxable base in the USA, as they are here in Canada? Because I've always found that to be incredibly inequitable... the guy who makes 100k in a year from income should not be taxed more heavily than the guy who makes 100k in a year from the disposition of capital property, if your tax system is based on ability to pay (as it probably should be). I understand the rationale of attempting to encourage long-term investment, but given the fact that higher income earners are the ones taking advantage of capital gains in general, it seems pretty disingenuous for the rich to be complaining about progressive taxation when they're benefiting from potentially easily the largest exempt base of taxable wealth accrued in the country, not even mentioning capital cost allowance's ability to diminish annual taxable income and facilitate tax planning. Besides, it would seem targeted exemptions would be better suited to incentivizing particular investments. Consequently if you were going to raise any tax rate, capital gains might just be the one to go after, current market conditions notwithstanding. Ignore this whole post if the tax base re:CGs down there differs from up here.
Oct 17 2008 10:23PM
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soup
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me and my friends were really baked last night and somehow got glued into the american presidential debate, and were fucking canadians.  anyways as I was watching I was so disgusted at how mccain looks, acts, talks, appears off camera, and overall hate him.  Obama is the fucking shit he looks balled, he is highly intelligent, very well spoken, knows his shit, is a very quick thinker, and is just tired of shit.

he has probably been thorugh so much in his life to get to where he is today and he is the classic character from a movie, just tired of white-nigger-hating-rednecks running his country like its a fucking shit show.  that guy has his shit together on so many levels its unreal.

If mccain wins I will have lost the last bit of surviving pity I have for America and will watch as America crashes and burns with a pale, prune looking man running their pathetic excuse for a country.
Oct 17 2008 10:43PM
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JayDope
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a letter to Obama, thought it was interesting, check it out....

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/3618048/
Oct 18 2008 12:19AM
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SteezyMcDizzle
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Its pretty sickening that someone who makes 100k a year and owns a house can pay as much as 30 to 40 thousand in various taxes. That's like working four or five months for nothing.


Oct 18 2008 1:49AM
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ThaLorax
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Depending on where you live, 3-5 months of the year is spent working to pay off your taxes alone.



there's something wrong with that
Oct 18 2008 4:17AM
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Campeador
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try working 6 months of the year for the government.
Oct 18 2008 2:51PM
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ThaLorax
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depends on where you live and your income level but yeah, it's fucked up. nothing more than a system of debt.
Oct 18 2008 2:57PM
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EClay46
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-supports affirmative action in colleges and governments quotas. IMO, affrimative action was great for minorities a while back, but cmon now, i really dont think its necessary to give them advantages anymore, whatever happened to us being all equal?

im going to have to say you are very ignorant, i can tell just by this post. i live in a very diverse and "racially tolerant" area ive been born and raised in california, and i experience racism all the time. i met a friend of mines grandma and i extended my hand to shake hers and she looked at it like i was a leper! It isnt as prevelant as it used to be but racism comes into play all the time, not all people are consciously racist but even if they dont think of it, often times it has a subconscious affect.
Do you know how many swatsitkas ive seen tattooed on people at the beach or walking down the street?
do you know how often ive heard people yell from there cars while im walking "Fuck you nigger!"

racism is still very common, step out of your little box and open your eyes. have you ever heard of de facto discrimination?
Oct 18 2008 3:28PM
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Sufferboy
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i don't like obama at all but he is going to win and there is nothing we can do

Oct 18 2008 4:24PM
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Ben.
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Not really interesting at all.
1) Palin first of all didnt "clean(ed)-up Alaska 's quagmire of political scandals." Troopergate bud?
Not to mention mccain is a "washington insider" too.

2)"This indicates to me and others like me that you may very well be an angry black man seeking to punish our country for sins of a different generation. I am not racist."

Really? Calling him an angry black mine trying to make people pay for past generations sins? Hes just trying to rationalize his racism.

3) religion has nothing to do with policy, hence that whole "separation of church and state." Not to mention the fact that its been addressed hundreds of times in hundreds of threads, that a LOT of people dont choose not to work. They get fucked over.

4) This guys a moron. Does anyone TRULY know where life begins? No, in terms of abortion its a personal decision that varies from person to person. THATS what obama was trying to say

5) Oh no! Scare us with "islamic extremism" Its not appeasement its called not being the arrogant assholes we have been for the past 8 years.

6) Im guessing if he supports it, he supports it for his children as well. As i said when you brought this up in your original points, If a kid is old enough to have sex, they are old enough to decide whether or not to abort.

7) Ahh yes. Blame a presidential candidate because of who supports him! that makes perfect sense.
Oct 19 2008 2:11PM
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dman1260
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I think its funny what everyone is saying about the raising capital gains tax. 

Raise taxes for exxon mobil?  Capital gains taxes don't affect corporations, they affect individuals. 

More taxes for Wall Street?  Once again, won't affect companies, only individuals.  The rich people working there will be affected, but so will everyone who owns any stock, mutual funds, or any long term investment.  That's a huge portion of the population, probably your parents and friends included. 

Raising any tax right now is very risky, people are already hurting and making people pay more of their discretionary income is not a good thing.  And yeah, maybe it won't affect the average person too much, but 5% of the population accounts for 90% of the countries income, so putting a strain on those individuals will trickle throughout the economy.  I am an Obama supporter, but raising taxes is a contractionary policy  and now is not a good time to further slow the economy. 
Oct 19 2008 4:08PM
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Ben.
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ok. so if 5% of the population is making 90% of the economy, dont you think they can probably afford those higher taxes? its not exactly like they are struggling
Oct 19 2008 4:22PM
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