Are you voting for Obama?

RALPH NADER!!!

i wish him or ron paul would just be given the presidency!

RON PAUL!!!

  Corporate America has been granted unbelievably favorable tax breaks/shelters in administrations past. 

  The idea behind this was to create a "trickle down effect".  Essentially, it was suggested that those corporations who were suddenly saddled with additional cash flow via the tax cuts, would reinvest into the company thus creating jobs, raising wages, and resultantly; helping grow the economy.

  What actually happened was quite different.  CEO's salaries increased exponentially, jobs were outsourced to countries with exploitable work forces, and the gap between the rich and the "middle class" became grand canyonesque.

  Bottom line:  Corporate tax breaks have not, and will not, benefit anyone other than the elite.  Frankly, unless your father is a ceo of a fortune 500 company, voting McCain is not in your best interest economically (let us not even discuss the social ramifications...creationism anyone?). 

  Greatest republican success:  Convincing "Joe Six Pack" that their party represents them.

  P.S.  I'm not anal about grammar or spelling, but your posts are inane in both content and structure.  You are what scares me the most about this country...uneducated/uninformed yet incredibly opinionated and arrogant.
 

obama is a dumb shit...then again so is mccaine...i'm not voting this year.

its not that hes going to die, its that palin is going to be in charge if he does, would you like it if she was in charge?

Most people i know dont want either. so there just not voting.

well that's just stupid.

yes i am.........

hahahahahah i know, i was thinking the same thing.


o BTW NO WAY, would i ever vote obama.

that statement made god shake his/her head in disbelief

How is Sarah Palin any different qualificationwise then Barack??? Fill me in because I see absloutly no difference 

no.

then your an idiot if you cant figure it out.

Do tell me then

a few years a mayor in a small city in alaska, then 2 as the govenor in alaska a state with no real problems, vs. 8 years in as a state senator and then 2 as a national senator, which sounds more qualified to run the largest superpower in the world? not to mention ones smart and ones half retarded.

Then please don't complain for the next four, or perhaps eight years. 

Get a clue, go to the polls.

thank you.

RON PAUL FTW!!!

that's a lot of speculation and worst case scenarios you're talking about here, so there isn't really anything to say besides that I agree with your view on his tax plan, it's totally unrealistic. but again, you're talking the worst possible situation here. how much of that plan do you think will be edited out if he does become president? my guess is quite a bit of it. just because it's the presidents plan/will doesn't mean that as soon as he steps into office it will go into effect. if that were the case, U.S.A. would've been fucked a long time ago. that's why presently abortion is still legal here, George W. would make it illegal if he could. checks and balances, gotta love em.

no need to be a prick here, it's just NS.

....you was thinkin about it!

To address some issues:
      Tex - you get angry at the implication that you are, in your words "just some dumb hick named Tex," and "gun carrying, chain people to the electric chair killing far right republican" when (Jonesy) only said that it was not surprising that a person named Tex would agree with the so called "Cowboy Mentality." In some ways this is accurate - You were born and raised in Texas, then you moved to Utah, another Republican hot spot. You also use the word "hombre." These facts alone point towards the cowboy mentality. Combine these statements with what you have actually said, and it is very believable that you aren't unhappy about the past 8 years. While you have the right to feel this way, you must also respect those of who feel the US could have made better decisions, both internationally and domestically.
      You do raise some legitimate points. John McCain's death in office is very unlikely and should not be a reason for voting for Obama. Also, i agree with you that the debate not only on this site, but in this country should be focused much more on the issues, not the meaningless gossip about candidates.
Some of your comments, however, are completely ridiculous. 60% taxes on anyone, or anything under the Obama administration is not going to happen (that is also not Communism, as you claim. Please come to terms with the 21st century, the Red Scare is over). You say Obama will not be able to pay for the 95% of people he has promised to give tax cuts to. This is not true, Obama has promised not  to raise taxes for 95% of Americans. This very different from what you have claimed. I must also point out that Bush has provided tax breaks to millions using money the country didn't have, in a failed attempt to stimulate the economy. But you're right, that is "fucking bullshit."


     To address your statements on the skiing industry - Yes, it is possible that Obama will end tax breaks for large ski companies. To be honest I'm not sure how many tax breaks ski companies actually get but for the sake of argument, let's assume you are correct in the statement that prices will rise. This year the Epic Pass is 500 bucks, thats a lot, but consider what you get, unlimited skiing at some of the best mountains in North America. I realize many mountains charge more for less, but i think we would all gladly pay more for the guarantee that 25 years from now we can still ski on the mountains we love. My point is this, Obama is far more committed to the environment than McCain, and while Obama is far from perfect, we can still move in the right direction. Many Republicans are advocating more drilling, which would not only do relatively little to ease gas prices, but such a policy would do nothing to slow carbon emissions. For decades the United States has funded dictators and brutal regimes through oil consumption. Thus oil is not only bad for the environment, it is also bad for human rights around the globe. This is the biggest reason I support Obama, he realizes that it is time to embrace the technologies of the future and support an environmentally clean future. This will not only ensure skiing for decades, but in the long run it will make us safer and more respected and influential abroad.
     As for health care - Obama wants to make health care more affordable by tweaking our existing system, not Socializing it as you suggest. I am sure you are aware that Obama has a web site where he explains this, so why have you not at least glanced at it? While I don't agree with everything that Obama proposes, I do think that everyone should have access to some level of basic health care.

     To IluvBread - You have to understand that although many people base their decisions on who to vote for on rumors and shallow ideas, there are far more people voting based on issues that matter to them. I could care less or good Obama of McCain looks, their environmental and international policies  are what really matter to me. Just because you don't agree with me on who is the better candidate doen't give you the right to call me a shallow idiot.

     For those who say "Palin understands my life because she is living it" - I know there aren't any soccer moms here but nonetheless I must ask, how does that make her qualified to be vice president? I have this thing where I like our countries leaders to be smarter than me. I don't feel that Palin has a deep understanding of international relations, economic theory, environmental issues, or much of anything else needed to lead our country.



Holy shit that was long. I apologize if any of that came across as hostile, I merely wanted to make some statements about how I feel about what has been said. To close I'm going to say i agree with yommytacoe - Obama is not the greatest man on earth, but i believe he is the better man for the job. I have the uppermost respect for McCain, he has served his country like few others, but I simply don't agree with many of hes governing policies. The botom line is, Obama is the man to lead our nation.

lulz again

i love it when rich white teenagers say they won't vote democrat because of wealth redistribution...

just cause i make mad loot the black man wants to take it from the white man...

If I was old enough Id vote for Obama, but it would have nothing to do with him looking better.

obama

werrrd.

... but i'm from canada

to be honest, i dont know why anybody would ever want to be president. over half the people in this thread probably don't even know what the presients powers are.. and who gets blamed for everything when shit hits the fan?.. the president.  i'm not saying that i agree with everything that george bush has done, but the 2 worst attacks ever to happen on american soil were Pearl Harbor and the 9/11 attacks.. give the guy some fucking credit. not only were there the 9/11 attacks but there was also hurricane katrina and hurricane ike.. its not like the guy has had an easy going. but most kids my age just jump on the bush hate bandwagon cuz its the cool thing to do, just like they jump on the vote obama bandwagon because thats the cool thing to do. it just pisses me off when people have opionions but no reasons for them.


i agree that obama would probably be more focussed on environmental issues in office, and those issues are extremely important to me. but it really doesn't matter what he does. we need to get the 300million+ people in this country on board to fix the environment and with the little information most people know about global warming, climate change, whatever you want to call it.. its not likely to happen anytime soon. that makes me sad.


Bottom line for me, the government sucks at spending money wisely no matter who you choose to put into office...  i dont want my brother to not be able to afford to send my nephews to a private school to get an awesome education in hopes that they can turn out as successful as him. redstribution of wealth is a load of shit, you get what you pay for and you also get what you work for.  i'm not voting for mccain as much as i'm voting against obama.
 

i'm not entirely sure what I'm suppose to give Bush credit for?

For re-starting a war in Iraq on false premises that ended up killing more Americans than were lost on 9/11?

For handling Katrina by putting a guy who runs a horse-show in charge of Fema

For the destruction of Habeus Corpus

For Torture

For spying on Americans and acquitting the telecoms companies  so no one gets in trouble

For cheating his way into the presidency and then being the president who's taken the MOST VACATION TIME


Tex what is this bandwagon you're talking about? I'm almost certain that by giving Bush some credit for the things he's done means I want him locked away as a war criminal, but ya lets cut him a break because he's a good old boy

my point is that the things i pointed out aren't exactly the easiest to deal with, the handling of hurricane katrina was a result of terrible mis-comunication between local and federal governments.

what was he suppossed to do after 9/11? not retaliate? but i agree that he has been been fighting elsewhere in his "war on terror"

and i think its funny how you critisize him for torture.. i bet you support aborting a living fetus.. thats funny cuz you probably dont support the death penalty. (i'll just point out that i dont support abortion or the death penalty) kinda 2 oppisite ends of the spectrum? but maybe my assumptions about you are wrong.

Uh... no. I think the highest effective tax rate (total tax payable, divided by income, before exclusions, credits and benefits) in the USA under Obama would be in the 30%s, for people making large sums. Even in Canada where there's socialized medicine the highest tax rates are in the mid 40s and the highest effective rates are obviously lower than that. As a doctor pulling in, say, 200k, he'd be looking at low to mid 30%s effectively, at the very most. So I'm not sure whether to call your 60% figure an "exaggeration" or just "pulled out of your ass".

By the way, your use of the word "communism" in that knee-jerk way is an obvious disclosure of ignorance regarding both communism and income tax. Just sayin'.

whats sad is you don't even really know whats gone on in the last 8 years

with Katrina, don't you think the decision to put someone with no qualifications in charge might have been the cause of the problems  with 'communication'

After 9/11 the whole country backed him the whole world backed us into going to afganistan to go get the Taliban, and Bin Laden. But then all of a sudden bush decided that we've gotta go to Iraq too, so he conjured up some lies, and sent Americans to their deaths so that he could finish daddies job.

Our constitutional rights have been eroding away under his presidency. Your right to unauthorized search and seizure gone. Your right to a trial by your peers gone. This is not something you can over look

You try to bring abortion into the picture to legitimize torture? They are hardly comparable. Abortion is contingent on your view on where 'human life' begins, under what views can you legitimize torture with?

go eat some bread

btw- obama 18 on the 26th

no I am not, he seems like a good guy, but i wish he had more time under his belt. he seems kind of young to be president. but i bet in a few years he would be a awesome president. Also i cant vote for some one who is for abortion, i wish that was not a topic in elections. If he wins i would be ok with it. If he loses its the same and i would hope he would try to run again in a few years

  Unfortunately, the policies of the Bush Administration have only amplified the failings of te public school system. 

  Your casual dismissal of public schools succinctly details our fundamental differences.

  The (your) idea that public schooling, and it's educational value, is inherently inferior is troubling.  Shouldn't all Americans be entitled to the same quality of education?  Essentially what your suggesting is that because your brother worked hard and is successful...his children should be entitled to, or grandfathered into, the same degree of success.  I'd like to believe that all Americans, not just those with successful parents, have the same access to an "awesome education".

  How many potential leaders, doctors, lawyers, engineers have wasted away, while some jaded and underpaid teacher rattles off useless information that's only meant to prepare them to be marginally successful on a completely arbitrary state test?  A state test, mind you, that in no way reflects a student's aptitude and/or performance (don't get me started on the cultural bias)...yet determines whether a particular school's funding will be cut or not. 

  Thanks No Child Left Behind Act!

  Frankly Tex, you sound like an entitled, ungrateful classist.  And worst of all, you don't seem to know it. 

  One other thought...clearly the President is never AS to blame, or thank for that matter, for much of what happens during his/her presidency.

  That being said...Tex, your defense of Bush betrays the fact that you are unquestiongly Republican (NOT to be confused with conservative)...and that you're willing to ignore fact and logic in the name of...loyalty.  Anyone who is willing to venture even a vague suggestion that Bush has been a good, or even fair, president should have their next vote stricken regardless of whom they vote for.  God help us.

  When I read these political threads, and posts like those courtesy of Tex, aspendukes, or idiot kids singing Obama's praises for no reason other than believing him to be the "edgy" candidate...I can't help but think of sports fans.

  I for example believe the Philadelphia Eagles are the best team in the NFL and that they should/will win the Super Bowl every year.  They are my favorite team.  I constantly willfully ignore facts and logic in support of my team.  I couldn't imagine cheering the Cowboys...it'd be like blasphemy...shit my identity as an Eagle's fan is dependent on my hatred for the Cowboys.  Guess what else!  My PARENTS love the Eagles...do you think that may play a role in my love?    

  The parallels are scary. 

Depending on where you live thats actually a yes.

California: Doctors are taxed at over 50%, after accumulating 8 years of school debt or more, they get to look forward to working a stressful job 6 months for the government. Don't believe me? Highest federal tax bracket is 31%, California state tax 11%, City taxes another 3-4%, Property taxes another 4% varying with the price of the house. Once all the other miscellaneous bullshit taxes we pay are added up its easily over 50%. How much more money should they be allowed to steal in your opinion?

And whats it all for? So my neighbor can slave away almost 6 days a week as a cardiac surgeon to support losers? So he can live in a house that is down the street from a low/no income apartment complex where's he paying for the welfare checks of dumb whores that pop out another baby another daddy every 9 months.

But I guess its only "fairness" as Biden likes to put it.

 Obama doesn't set state income taxes...take that up with the governator.

  By the way, that was an absolutely disgusting post devoid of any compassion and/or sensitivity.  Your callousness and oversimplification is appalling.

  So in the face of your borderline cartoonish evilness:

   Fuck you and your thinly veiled hate speech you piece of trash.

I am voting for obama. for many reasons that i do not want to mention here because i hate arguing politics especially on something as kooky as the interenet. 

I do not mind mcCain but the Sarah Palin woman scares the shit out of me.  I agree completely with what Matt Damon said about her.  " a bad disney movie"

God i fuckin hate politics.....who the fuck cares

u live ..then u die.....nothing matters when u die

well said. i traveled a lot this summer and in the past and every country hates America so bad, its wack. I just want to see this country go in a different direction than what it's been like with Bush. Clinton was the most recent good president

THANKYOU!


atleast i am not the only person who thinks its ridicules..........


dont forget social security either, another 7% baby!

yes i need to register

drew, you live in the Peoples Republic of Minnesota....


i bet your rents make more than mine make too, just ask them how much they payed in taxes last year.


not that this will change you mind of you even want to hear this, but i know linemen for excel that payed over 40k income taxes. a lineman, thats a blue collar middle class job right? 


o BTW this guy is a democrat living a republican lifestyle.....  guns, trucks, dirtbikes, snowmobiles, you name it, he does it.

Anyone who hasn't registered yet can do so here

http://www.voteforchange.com

o definitely i can appreciate that part...

but taxes, he is right on.


i dont know though, IMO the idea that someone works 6months, just to pay the government, its NUTS. IMO

you dont know anything about me man

  No, I don't "know" you.

  And yet, I still stand behind my statement, based solely on your contribution to this thread.

hahaha yeah get on that