Is everyone out of their mind?

ORLY?

If you want change then you have to put someone truly different in office.  Whether it be good or bad, I agree, time for a huge change.  

The McCain/Palin ticket will bring about more change than Obama ever will, especially if McCain kicks the bucket.  IMO of course!

I am a libertarian, here is some good stuff on the socialism bit

http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=longstreej&date=080929

agreed that McCain will do more good than Obama

so you think Palin will do more without McCain??

Check out bob barr. He has a weird mustache and is like ron paul
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/splash/?s0820

hahahahaha  oh definitely..  not sure whether it will be good or bad though.    

that's the dude who ate the cheese that borat (sacha) gave him, and he still kept chewing after borat told him it was made from his mother's tit or whatever. funny shit.

were just a bunch of monkeys

someones got to get in there and really mix things up. we are on a long road to no to a place i dont want to go...

we need to implement some of locke's ideas and take back this motherfucker

f the 4th branch especially

uhh we're nearly socialistic?

you just lost all credibility on this.

you make it sound as if things are necessarily better in other countries.  the fact is you don't know enough about politics to really make statements as bold as this.

Voting for a third candidate is really the only way to show the nation your dissatisfaction with our two party system. I truly hope people consider it if you are fed up with the way shits run in this country.

oh and just to insult you some more, you're just another one of the legions of moronic libertarians who don't understand jack shit and like to pretend both candidates are the same.  they are the same in that they are both mainstream politicians, like anyone who has ever had a shot at the presidency, and therefore aren't going to really change the status quo of american politics too much.  that's where it ends.  oh and by the way I'm also a libertarian, but I don't live in a fantasy world.

that being said, I can't believe that anyone actually supports mccain.  the man lies nonstop, and has made without a doubt the stupidest VP pick I'll probably see in my lifetime.  the woman can't even handle katie couric.

you call yourself liberatrian but your voting for barack? that makes sense..

move to canada fuckers. our politicians are idiots too, but we're rarely stupid enough to believe that our candidate is the rock our church is built on every 4 years.
governments should fear their people, americans seem to let themselves fear their governments. individually, you guys are just as smart as any other country in the world, but collectively you seem to get so caught up in left v right, dem v rep, religeous v secular that you lose sight of the fact that it doesnt matter how much you like your preffered candidate, they need to be made accountable to you and should be MADE to act as such.

Socialism in a nutshell is the idea that that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth into a small section of society who control capital and creates an unequal society.

"Our entire political apparatus in the US has shifted to the left. The Republican Party has become the Democratic Party of just a few years ago while the Democratic Party has become the New Socialist Party in America. They have been hiding their leftward shift behind the nomenclature of "Progressive" while taking on the socialist philosophy. But there is no outcry from the American people. There is no outrage at the con game the democrats have been running on the American people. No. Instead, the American people have given them control of the legislative branch of the US government and stand ready to give them a socialist President in November. We urge you to drop in on the Democrat Socialist Party of America's website and stay there a while … and when you come away, you will have a new understanding of the Democrat Party in America." from JD Longstreet

The remainders of the Socialist party of America now focus their support for the Democrat party. Why? Because the Democratic party is becoming more and more socialist every day.

Some examples of socialism in America include the support of socialized health care, welfare programs, subsidies to businesses, and especially Social Security. The New Deal of the 30s created this dreaded program that still burdens us today.

"the Social Security system is founded on stealing. Here, the loot is forcibly taken, again under the guise of "taxation," from the young and given to the old. The recipients always rationalize the process by convincing themselves that the money, which was plundered from them was retained in some type of investment pool which earned interest. They block out of their minds that the politicians spent their money years ago and that they are now engaging in the classic socialist scheme of using the political process to take from those who have and give the loot to others.
What will then happen to the elderly in a system in which there is no Social Security? Probably the same thing that happened in America for its first 150 years when the American people refused to use the political process to steal from others. Some people saved for their old age. Others depended on their children for help. Others relied on friends, neighbors, or private relief agencies. Those Americans had faith and trust in freedom and in the caring nature of others. They did not believe that politicians, and their bureaucratic minions, were the only good and caring people in American society. And the result was not only the most prosperous society in history but also the most charitable society in history." from Jacob Hornberger

If you didn't read any of this, at least read this The United States of Socialism

I'm not saying things are necessarily better in other countries. I meant to make it sound like things have changed here in America. Did you know that we didn't used to be taxed? Did you know that
our presidents have consistenly violated our constitution?


Before you tell me that I "don't know enough about politics to really make statements as bold as [I do]", maybe you should learn a little about me first. Don't you think it's a bold statement to judge my credentials without even knowing my history?

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If you think I am someone who "don't" understand and "pretend both candidates are the same" you either didn't read my post or are you are in fact living in a fantasy world where libertarians support oppressive lying democrats.

I never said the candidates are the same, they are two puppets that will create mayhem one way or the other. Obama will continue to push america towards socialism and McCain will support big business and tax the little guy. I believe I said that these two candidates are changing anything, they are going to continue the downward spiral, quote me on that.

What is my fantasy world I live in? A world where I believe that our government shouldn't be curropt and instead should follow it's own rules?

If you can't believe that ANYONE supports McCain, think he lies NONSTOP  then you are pretty ignorant.

Obviously people support him, he provides tons of rich old white people with exactly what they want. Who do you think runs this country anyways? Oh yeah, rich old white people. Obama and McCain are both liars, same with most politicians. Prove to me how McCain lies Nonstop and maybe I won't put them in the same boat.

America is corrupt and is turning socialist. Where's your credibility?

the US is one of the most socialist countries in the world.

Who else bails out their airline industry?

Who else bails out their auto industry?

do you know what a lobbyist is?

lobbyists are one of the major sources of corruption in politics

though they are necessary, their exploitation has been accepted as another part of the system

they fund presidential campaigns, in turn presidents must give the lobbyists (or rather corporations) what they advocate when they become elected

in short, corporations sponsor our presidents

http://mccainsource.com/corruption?id=0006
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0523-02.htm
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/obamas_lobbyist_line.php

I think its time for another Revolution, V style, we are overdue for one anyway.

ohhh nooo taylor, sparking controversy... nice work... yea iowa jibber, revolution, start that shit in iowa and it will spread to both coasts.... anyways this topic is just depressing, obviously any politician who has a legitamate shot and getting into a position of authority sucks... otherwise they wouldnt be there... blah i wanna just form my own nation, pick politicians every year by a dice roll, so no one can have too long to fuck shit up entirely

  if the government pisses you off you should just off yourself or move. i dont think there is going to be a revolution any time soon. you ever try to fight a marine?

this is such a crucial election on the path our country is going to take. such an interesting time, but if things keep going in the same direction i wouldn't put one in the realm of impossibility in our lifetime

The colonists fought off the supposedly superior British.  If the government seriously fucks with our 3 natural rights, then as a people we have the responsibility to take action for the common good.  I'm not saying its time for a major overthrow of the gov, just something with a message to penetrate the extremely thick skulls of our government.