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Vice Presidential Debate

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kepler.
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I know it's not till Thursday but I'm already gearing up for one of the best events of the year.

I don't care what your party affiliation but the fact is that Biden is so much more ready for this than Palin. It's going to be a disaster. So who's making popcorn and watching the spectacle with me?

Oh and feel free to start a big political argument here. I know someone will.

Sep 29 2008 4:12PM
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Parkboy
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yeah, true. Even Fox is reporting it.
Oct 2 2008 11:07PM
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pmills
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OMGOMGOMG and he's black? I bet he use to do drugs and shit too.
Oct 2 2008 11:08PM
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J.D.
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Wait just one fucking minute, he's BLACK?!

HOLY. SHIT.

This changes everything.


Oct 2 2008 11:09PM
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saucybiscuits
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i couldnt agree more. i also love how she cant pronounce nuclear. she says nucular. its ridiculous
Oct 2 2008 11:10PM
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edmonton_skier
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No, shes not  she simply resorted to smiling allot and give shout outs when she was not able to answer a quesiton because of being nervous or not having a legitimate argument in which to use "maveric" in. For example the education question where she talked about teachers in her familly, instead of addressing Bidens comment on the children first policy which failed miserably.

Oct 2 2008 11:14PM
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J.D.
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CNN INSTANT POLL

Winner: Biden - 51% Palin - 36%
Exceeded Expectations: Biden - 64% (20% met expectations) Palin - 84% (7% met expectations)

Is Palin ready to be president?
Pre-debate: Yes - 43% No - 54%
Post-debate: Yes - 46% No - 53%
Oct 2 2008 11:14PM
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Hockeyfisher11
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That's a CNN poll now if you went to Fox it would be the opposite.  These polls mean nothing it all comes down to the day of voting
Oct 2 2008 11:17PM
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Campeador
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I never said that, he's as far left as he can be while still trying to remain electable, there's a difference. Obama's whole playbook is straight out of "Rules for Radicals" by the communist Chicago community organizer, Saul Alinsky. Ever wonder why Obama chose to be community organizer in Chicago?

But what the hell do you know anyway? My family has lived through the farce of politics that is the left under that bastard Allende in Chile who destroyed the economy overnight.
Oct 2 2008 11:18PM
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pmills
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you've gotta remember her expectations were to 'not set the stage on fire' which she didn't do.
Oct 2 2008 11:20PM
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Aenigma
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She exceeded my expectations by a healthy margin and I still think her performance was underwhelming.  I think this statistic is reflective of how low of standards we all had for her going into the debate, not that she actually did well.
Oct 2 2008 11:21PM
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Hockeyfisher11
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If you don't think she did well name 3 instances where she didn't
Oct 2 2008 11:27PM
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J.D.
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Actually no. It's not a poll of CNN viewers, just a poll conducted by CNN. Asking "who won the debate" and "did Palin exceed your expecations, meet them or fall below" can't be accused of being partisan. The Fox News poll showed that Obama won the first debate, by the way. They responded by not telling anyone and not posting it on their website.
Oct 2 2008 11:28PM
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Hockeyfisher11
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Yes but if I recall back wasn't John Kerry leading all the polls when he ran too???
Oct 2 2008 11:30PM
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FUUUCK
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thats all you got? really?
Oct 2 2008 11:32PM
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J.D.
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Er, Kerry won the first and third debates by low double digits, and lost the second.
Oct 2 2008 11:33PM
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Hockeyfisher11
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It's true for the campaign BASED off of change they sure do talk a hell of a lot about the past of George Bush and others.  And i would like to add..........who said that tonight??? Sarah Palin!
Oct 2 2008 11:34PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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That poll number is completely insufficient.. CNN's target audience is liberals, I bet you go to Fox News and you'll see the opposite...

If Palin didnt exceed your expectations too, then your a fool..Even if you are against her.
Oct 2 2008 11:35PM
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J.D.
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Read the thread, I already answered this. The poll was not of CNN's audience, it was of debate watchers. It is a CNN poll only in so far as it was conducted by CNN, and the questions were too simple (ie who won) to be considered in any way biased.
Oct 2 2008 11:36PM
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BravoWhiskey5280
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^ completely agree
Oct 2 2008 11:38PM
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Parkboy
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you know what's funny, all the bullshit spewed before the debate talking about how Gwen was going to be unfair and skew the questions towards Biden. Give me a fucking break. Did anyone think Gwen was unfair moderating tonight?
Oct 2 2008 11:39PM
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pmills
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no, but i'm a liberal
Oct 2 2008 11:41PM
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J.D.
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Absolutely not, if anything she favoured Palin by failing to ask ANY unexpected questions. So she was able to read off a lot of scripted answers. If she'd gone way off the board, Palin would have suffered considerably more. I don't think she completely failed to moderate, but it would've been nice to see her keep on that tack she was on at the beginning in pointing out when they both failed to answer the question.

Polls are coming out on change in opinion (ie do you find x more knowledgeable than you did before the debate, more likeable, more electable). The numbers for both candidates are basically identical, they both helped themselves equally with the electorate in terms of image. In that sense I suppose you could call this one a draw?
Oct 2 2008 11:45PM
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edmonton_skier
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Well judging from what you just said he could have repeated himself allot more because you seem to have missed his point of how much of a mess Bush got your country in, in past 8 year s: 3.5 trillion dollars of debt and nice war added to the mix, not to mention the current economic and housing crisis) Clinton had things rolling quite well during his presidency last i checked.

So yea is hard not to remind people of that, and even then not all of them including you get the message. That being said yes he did talk allot about that but only to refer to what exactly needs to be changed (the past 8 years).

Oct 2 2008 11:58PM
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J.D.
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CBS Poll of undecided voters:
Biden - 46
Tie - 33
Palin - 21

Oct 3 2008 12:00AM
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Campeador
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Yea right, a draw...

Palin destroyed Biden. All you fools were going in expecting Palin to be a trainwreck, instead she spoke eloquently and overall sounded positive. Biden on the other hand, your 20 year political veteran and supposed "exceptional debator" was made to looks like a fool at times by a 2 year governor of Alaska. He was negative almost the whole time, he always had that creepy smile on every time Palin spoke, and was wholly unable to refute any of the statements he himself had made against Obama when they came up.

And whats with all these Canadians acting like there opinion is of any worth at all. When it comes down to it I'm the one who's going to be voting, while you vote for whoever it is that you vote for, I won't pass judgment on your Canadian elections.


Oct 3 2008 12:02AM
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Campeador
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and stop quoting all these bullshit media polls, there's no greater source of political misinformation.
Oct 3 2008 12:02AM
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freezed
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she was avoiding the questions like crazy. i mean, of course i expected that, but it was still really frustrating.
Oct 3 2008 12:03AM
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Parkboy
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Fox News Online Poll

Biden 56

Palin 41

83,437 votes.
Oct 3 2008 12:04AM
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Campeador
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Fox News, Palin - 86% Biden - 12%

Media polls are bogus
Oct 3 2008 12:06AM
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dwigt
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While listening to Palin in the debate i couldn't help but feel like she knew absolutely nothing about what she was talking about.  Not only could she not answer a single question with a straight forward answer, but instead of trying to point out what is wrong with Obama and Biden all she could talk about was how great she and McCain are.  I remember on point where the question was about what she would do about bankruptcy and she started talking about energy and how she is an energy master.

and if i hear someone call John McCain a maverick one more time...
Oct 3 2008 12:08AM
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Parkboy
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where is that one? can you link it for me?
Oct 3 2008 12:08AM
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Campeador
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same goes for Obama and "change"
Oct 3 2008 12:08AM
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edmonton_skier
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no... Fox news is...
Oct 3 2008 12:09AM
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J.D.
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You're a moron. The US election is a global election, it matters to everyone, irrespective of where they live. If you need any more proof of that, look at how the TSX did when congress shot down the bailout plan this week. It doesn't matter where people live, they can still have legitimate opinions, and the reason you won't pass judgment on the Canadian election (were you even aware that we're having one?) is because you know absolutely nothing about it. If more people in your country actually took an interest in other countries' politics, you might gain some new insights. Well, probably not. I mean, if you're so blind that you actually thought Palin won, you're pretty much in the tank from the get-go. The most you can say about tonight is that she did way better than expected and held her own. She definitely did not win. You can't win by not answering the questions.
Oct 3 2008 12:11AM
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edmonton_skier
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well... change is sort of the focus of their entire presidential campaign. i dont think maveric is for theirs. I nearly lost it when she said global warming wasnt caused by humain... thats flat out wrong
Oct 3 2008 12:11AM
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AngryFromBend
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even the conservative bastards at fox news have biden as winning.


end of story.
Oct 3 2008 12:15AM
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J.D.
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Ironically on MSNBC Hardball is on, and Chris and both his commentators agreed that Palin won because she "beat the spread".
Oct 3 2008 12:16AM
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Campeador
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If you factor in expectations going in and political/debate experience then yes Palin won. The way people were talking before the debate, Biden should have won by a landslide.

I'd say I know more about other countries than you do homie. Seeing as how I've spent a little under half of my life outside of the US. And the fact that I know more about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than Biden does. I'd be surprised if anyone, anywhere in the world really cares about Canadian elections outside of Canada.






Oct 3 2008 12:18AM
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Parkboy
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^ can you link the fox news poll you found for me?
Oct 3 2008 12:20AM
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edmonton_skier
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yea.. previous CO2 cycles happened over tens of throusands of years... not 30
Oct 3 2008 12:20AM
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J.D.
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You clearly don't know more about international affairs if you think no one cares about Canadian elections outside of Canada. You should care, if only for simple economic reasons. What happens up here makes a much bigger difference to how things go down there than who wins elections in the Middle East, which gets coverage all over cable news down there. I won't say you don't know more than me, because I don't know you and you don't know me and it would take someone spectacularly and unwarrantedly arrogant (because you'd also have to be pretty bloody dumb) to say you know more than someone you don't know and don't know anything about. But judging by what you're saying here, I can't say I'm terribly impressed with your credentials. Feel free to post your IR degree though.

It doesn't matter if you factor in expectations, it's still a loss. If the Rams go up against the Titans and lose 33-30 in overtime, they'll exceed expectations and everyone will be impressed, but it still goes in the loss column. So don't start trying to tell people she won.


Oct 3 2008 12:25AM
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skiminnesota
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just out of curiosity JD. why dont you post on your own country's political threads? 




Oct 3 2008 12:27AM
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dangerdad
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for a grown adult, that is the most uneducated comment i have heard in a while. They have been rising, but global temperature rise has been exponential over the past 250 years, ever since the start of the industrial revolution
Oct 3 2008 12:29AM
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edmonton_skier
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well by the looks of it theres enough shit to clear up in yours as it is.
Oct 3 2008 12:29AM
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Campeador
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Because I don't even think he honestly cares, until he looks around and realizes he's in Canada.

Dude spouts off worse than a liberal from Berkeley, and I've had my drunken arguments with them before.
Oct 3 2008 12:37AM
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