Member of the Month

Dlonetti
August, 2024

Online

Welcome to the Newschoolers forums! You may read the forums as a guest, however you must be a registered member to post. Register to become a member today!

Vice Presidential Debate

profile picture
kepler.
Posts: 8761 - Karma: 139
I know it's not till Thursday but I'm already gearing up for one of the best events of the year.

I don't care what your party affiliation but the fact is that Biden is so much more ready for this than Palin. It's going to be a disaster. So who's making popcorn and watching the spectacle with me?

Oh and feel free to start a big political argument here. I know someone will.

Sep 29 2008 4:12PM
0 0
profile picture
cottonwoodarmada1651
Posts: 1734 - Karma: 40
Fair enough.
Oct 2 2008 10:28PM
0 0
profile picture
anxju
Posts: 9371 - Karma: 61
i am, cnn
Oct 2 2008 10:28PM
0 0
profile picture
skodeo7
Posts: 14949 - Karma: 9,234
haha she realized what she said immediately once it slipped, so funny.

Loved Biden with the Maverick call out.
Oct 2 2008 10:28PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
does she not know what compromise is?  How do you have opposing sides and not have to make compromise



Oct 2 2008 10:29PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Did Palin just answer a question on how she'd lead on bipartisanship by railing on about what's wrong with the Democratic ticket?

... Did she understand the question?
Oct 2 2008 10:30PM
0 0
profile picture
papasteeze
Posts: 12055 - Karma: 913
her complexion of her neck is gross!  where the hell are her panty lines!
Oct 2 2008 10:30PM
0 0
profile picture
Ben.
Posts: 21463 - Karma: 683
compromise is bad. take your values and stick to em. no matter how wrong they are. that is the republican way
Oct 2 2008 10:30PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
how memorized is her closing?
Oct 2 2008 10:31PM
0 0
profile picture
cottonwoodarmada1651
Posts: 1734 - Karma: 40
It's the closing statement.  Everybody memorizes their closing statement.
Oct 2 2008 10:32PM
0 0
profile picture
Billiards.
Posts: 6853 - Karma: 816
I know for real! Thanks Palin, you began blowing it harder.
Oct 2 2008 10:33PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
get up America!
Oct 2 2008 10:33PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
ya but you don't try to sound like you did
Oct 2 2008 10:34PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Great closer by Biden, using rhetorical devices to lead up to a final "Barack Obama is ready to be President of the United States". Well executed.

So, I don't think this was a KO. I think it was about a 60-40 or maybe 65-35 win for Biden, but that could have gone a LOT worse for her and I think she beat her expectations by a mile. I think he did too, and the fact that she wasn't completely embarassed might actually become the central point of this debate.

So wait, she asked right away if she could call him Joe, and then never did so once?
Oct 2 2008 10:36PM
0 0
profile picture
Ben.
Posts: 21463 - Karma: 683
so its over. heres what i think.

biden won.
palin didnt fail nearly as badly as expected but biden still won.
she sidestepped alot of questions and got shut down on some others.
overall i was impressed how well she did, but she just sounded so scripted.
Oct 2 2008 10:36PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Chris Matthews: "I have never heard a person [like Palin] campaigning for an office while asking for that office's powers to be expanded... Not only will she not be doing any more interviews, but she won't answer the questions the way the moderater wants her to. She won't play by the rules and she wants more power, is that the message here?"

Immediate response from the panels is that Palin's refusal to answer the questions in front of her didn't play well; "I want to talk about taxes again..."
Oct 2 2008 10:39PM
0 0
profile picture
T.L.
Posts: 4729 - Karma: 3,008
Of course she has to appear friendly.  It's part of that act they put on every morning when they wake up.
Oct 2 2008 10:39PM
0 0
profile picture
papasteeze
Posts: 12055 - Karma: 913
yeah she did once at least..

I noticed early on where biden said obama and then in the next sentence said, John.  that was interesting.
Oct 2 2008 10:39PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
I wanted him to say only if i can call you hunny-bunny

Not a KO for sure, but now i almost question the authenticity of her interviews, could she have just been 'lowering the bar' so that she just had to do what she just did?

i mean she was a tv reporter, she's not exactly new to the camera...

regardless, I could have seen her do a fist pump and a 'naillleeed it; (a la jon stewart)



Oct 2 2008 10:40PM
0 0
profile picture
Deletedtoday
Posts: 4060 - Karma: 398
palin is way more connected to people then biden is
Oct 2 2008 10:41PM
0 0
profile picture
papasteeze
Posts: 12055 - Karma: 913
exactly.  and if all you star struck, politcal rhetoric lovers truly want change then you better go with with someone who says stuff like that.
Oct 2 2008 10:41PM
0 0
profile picture
T.L.
Posts: 4729 - Karma: 3,008
What is really interesting is the fact that she isnt even elected yet and already talked about altering the constitution. 
Oct 2 2008 10:42PM
0 0
profile picture
T.L.
Posts: 4729 - Karma: 3,008
Maybe in her small little town.  Not the rest of America.
Oct 2 2008 10:44PM
0 0
profile picture
Campeador
Posts: 7516 - Karma: -1,227
Biden was too dumb to realize that the West Bank voted for the Fatah party and not Hamas.

He can't even distinguish the West Bank and Gaza, he's too focused on bashing Bush. I must have heard the name Bush mentioned more times by Biden than he mentioned Obama.
Oct 2 2008 10:45PM
0 0
profile picture
Danger.
Posts: 3476 - Karma: 58
So don't ever tell me that Fox News isn't biased again.. I just turned it on and they asked a room of "undecided voters" who they thought won the debate. Palin won almost unanimously.
Oct 2 2008 10:46PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Fucking. Scary.


That's sort of like saying "If you truly want change, you should vote for the communist party, because they'll shake things up for sure". Altering the constitution to expand the Veep's powers after 8 years where the Veep has expanded those powers more than anyone in the nation's history doesn't sound like change, it sounds like a continuation of dangerous Bush / Cheney policies, but even if it WAS change, it'd be the wrong damn kind.
Oct 2 2008 10:46PM
0 0
profile picture
Hockeyfisher11
Posts: 135 - Karma: 10
Was it just me or was Joe Biden trying to campaign for HIMSELF more then he was Barack HUSSEIN Obama.  It sounds like to me that Biden was trying to get himself elected instead of his higher power. Palin was Supporting Mccain while Biden was talking about how great he was.  Sounds to me that there are still some rough feelings between the ticket!
Oct 2 2008 10:47PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
wasn't palin the older balding fella ? i thought he did a good job
Oct 2 2008 10:47PM
0 0
profile picture
Parkboy
Posts: 2303 - Karma: 32
lol seriously. There was this thing on tv the other day where they went to Pennsylvania in a restaurant and asked who they were going to vote for, everyone raised their hand for obama and the guy is like "well it looks pretty evenly split here" hahahah
Oct 2 2008 10:48PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Right... and she said Mclellan was the commander in Afghanistan. It's actually McKiernan.
Oct 2 2008 10:48PM
0 0
profile picture
canuck
Posts: 1124 - Karma: 137
Watch the polls in the next couple of days....I think you will find she did win the debate.
I think a lot of Americans relate to her..especially moms.
Oct 2 2008 10:49PM
0 0
profile picture
cottonwoodarmada1651
Posts: 1734 - Karma: 40
Where the hell is C-SPAN finding all these nutjobs to call in?  Neocon Zionist conspiracy?  Is there no one screening calls over there?
Oct 2 2008 10:49PM
0 0
profile picture
cottonwoodarmada1651
Posts: 1734 - Karma: 40
Agreed.
Oct 2 2008 10:50PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
the women independents on the CNN worm loved biden, they literally were going though the roof for him while dipping - on palin's counterpoints
Oct 2 2008 10:51PM
0 0
profile picture
Campeador
Posts: 7516 - Karma: -1,227
you're comparing a slip of the tongue to not knowing shit about the Israel-Palestine situation?

I'm surprised Biden, the self-proclaimed "greatest friend to Israel in the Senate," wouldn't know who governs the West Bank. How about that for a "you can see Russia from Alaska" moment?
Oct 2 2008 10:51PM
0 0
profile picture
T.L.
Posts: 4729 - Karma: 3,008
Gotta love the CNN squiggle-ometer
Oct 2 2008 10:52PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
did he actually say hamas was in power or did he just recognize them as a legitimate constituency, contrasted with others who call it a terrorist organization?
Oct 2 2008 10:54PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
It's not a slip of the tongue if you say it four separate times, dude. She named the wrong commander. But that kind of thing isn't what dictates who won these debates anyway, which is why no one's talking about it. What will determine the lasting factors of this debate will be whether people buy the connection between Bush and McCain and whether Palin's folksy attitude will be considered endearing or unpresidential.
Oct 2 2008 10:54PM
0 0
profile picture
Danger.
Posts: 3476 - Karma: 58
She may have exceeded expectations (which were extremely low after her interviews) but she in no way WON the debate. She dodged questions and never gave a full answer related directed to a question. Biden had his way with her in many instances and there was not one substantial Palin rebuttal directed at him.
Oct 2 2008 10:55PM
0 0
profile picture
Campeador
Posts: 7516 - Karma: -1,227
He claimed that under the "failed" Bush policy that Hamas had taken control through democratic elections in the West Bank, which is completely false. The West Bank is governed by the more moderate Fatah party. I'd put a good deal of money on that I know more about Israel than the "greatest friend to Israel in the Senate"
Oct 2 2008 10:57PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
I think the fact that she refused to answer questions and was unable to rebut certain factual assertions about McCain's voting record and comments in the past will disallow any possibility of anyone reasonably thinking she actually won tonight. But I think the fact that she didn't say anything completely ridiculous or lose track of what she was talking about to the point of parodying herself (she did get off track a fair bit but no worse than happens occasionally in debates) will mean that this won't hurt her. Which I think is a "win" for the McCain campaign in that sense. If people start thinking of McCain as more Bush as a result of what was said tonight, it's a loss for his campaign. I'm not sure that'll happen.
Oct 2 2008 10:58PM
0 0
profile picture
cottonwoodarmada1651
Posts: 1734 - Karma: 40
They be legitimate in the sense that people actually vote for them, but there is NO question that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Oct 2 2008 10:58PM
0 0
profile picture
cottonwoodarmada1651
Posts: 1734 - Karma: 40
Hahaha...that should have been "they MAY be legitimate."  I wasn't going for a Mr. T impression.
Oct 2 2008 10:59PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Matthews will be on at 12pm est on MSNBC, if you have it I suggest watching, he's really good at this post debate stuff.
Oct 2 2008 11:00PM
0 0
profile picture
Campeador
Posts: 7516 - Karma: -1,227
Or the closest thing the Americans have to it, Saul Alisnsky's protégé Barack Obama.
Oct 2 2008 11:00PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
do you think she won't have any more interviews with Katie Couric?

I hope that someone will hold her feet to the fire and make her answer the question.
Oct 2 2008 11:01PM
0 0
profile picture
Campeador
Posts: 7516 - Karma: -1,227
katie couric is worthless, South Park was right one when they said they weighed crap in "courics" hahah
Oct 2 2008 11:02PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Keith Olbermann is reporting that McCain is pulling his entire campaign out of Michigan entirely: no direct mail, no staff, no ads. Is that true?
Oct 2 2008 11:03PM
0 0
profile picture
J.D.
Posts: 21362 - Karma: 5,142
Goodbye credibility... yeah, Barack is a Communist. He's a terrorist too, I hear.
Oct 2 2008 11:04PM
0 0
profile picture
pmills
Posts: 7162 - Karma: 59
i think my point is that she stumbled all over the place with every interview she has given thus far, it'll bring her debate into question if she falls back into her pattern of awful interviews
Oct 2 2008 11:07PM
0 0
profile picture
cottonwoodarmada1651
Posts: 1734 - Karma: 40
Dude, did you know his middle name is Hussein?!!?!?!!?!
Oct 2 2008 11:07PM
0 0
All times are Eastern (-4)