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Vice Presidential Debate

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kepler.
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I know it's not till Thursday but I'm already gearing up for one of the best events of the year.

I don't care what your party affiliation but the fact is that Biden is so much more ready for this than Palin. It's going to be a disaster. So who's making popcorn and watching the spectacle with me?

Oh and feel free to start a big political argument here. I know someone will.

Sep 29 2008 4:12PM
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notomatoplz
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palin got off easy on the same sex, biden also owned her on the war in iraq, palin said "we have to wait until afghanistan is ready to take over" but isnt the whole obama plan to make them take responsibiliy of their own country without having to 'win' the war
Oct 2 2008 10:01PM
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salomon097
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lol i thought it was funny when she was like "obama and o'biden". just a mistake but still funny. joe biden even thought it was funny lol
Oct 2 2008 10:01PM
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pmills
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I'm going to say that at least his position is consistent.
if man created global warming man can fix global warming; if global warming is just nature, what'cha gonna do?



and this is whether it be the case or not -- (it is my understanding that ice caps are significantly effected by soot pollutants that accumulate on the surface-- dark spots that absorb more heat, basically drill holes in the ice, then provide a lubricant allowing the ice to slide-- i'll say it's plausible)


Oct 2 2008 10:01PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Pretty much...it's annoying.

Now on to Darfur...Biden doesn't know what he's talking about here.
Oct 2 2008 10:02PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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This pisses me off so much: A NO-FLY ZONE WAS THE SOLUTION IN DARFUR IN 2003, NOT 2008!  Typical, politicians reducing the "hot issues" to mindless talking points.
Oct 2 2008 10:04PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Great...Palin agrees with him.


Oct 2 2008 10:04PM
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J.D.
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She just agreed with him on the no-fly zone thing. Except she used the phrase "What I done".
Oct 2 2008 10:05PM
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pmills
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wasn't his point he wants to stop the genocide? you agree with that
Oct 2 2008 10:05PM
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Ben.
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yuppp
Oct 2 2008 10:06PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Yeah, stopping genocide would be a good thing.  But right now, a no-fly zone won't do that - it'll cut off over 2 million people from the airborne humanitarian aid that keeps them alive.

As for Biden's "I never agreed with McCain's Iraq strategy".....hmmmm...it turns out McCain's strategy was right and Biden's was wrong.  Why differentiate yourself on that point?
Oct 2 2008 10:07PM
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Elijah.
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It's pronounced NU CLEAR, not NU CU LUR.

It's killing me.
Oct 2 2008 10:09PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Yeah, not happy about that.

And did Biden just denounce the Bush Doctrine about ten minutes after basically saying that's his plan for Pakistan?
Oct 2 2008 10:09PM
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Danger.
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SHE JUST WINKED AGAIN!
Oct 2 2008 10:09PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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The phrase "team of mavericks" is killing me.  Although I wouldn't mind seeing Palin in a beach volleyball scene, sans Tom Cruise.
Oct 2 2008 10:10PM
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pmills
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what 'stratagy'? I don't understand how the 'surge' is a success, it's less of a failure right now, but all we're doing is giving money to the people who want to kill us, when we stop paying them, they'll have all this money able to orchestrate an attack...
Oct 2 2008 10:10PM
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Elijah.
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"Say it ain't so Joe, now there you go..."

Holy fuck.
Oct 2 2008 10:12PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Hahahaha....I love Biden's little "Look at me, I know about a small town" schpeel.  "Walk down Union Street in Wilmington, come into Katie's Restaurant."  Hahahaha...is that the Andy Griffith theme song I hear?
Oct 2 2008 10:12PM
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J.D.
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He was pretty obvious in his meaning, the original strategy, in lockstep with Cheney, greeted as liberators...

Biden has been extremely successful in this debate in getting his point of McCain = Bush across in terms of total time spent. Palin's been very successful in the whole "stop looking backwards" point, though, it's pretty endearing, particularly the answer she's giving now.
Oct 2 2008 10:12PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Hahaha...yeah, that one too.  This whole thing is ridiculous, but still, Palin's doing a hell of a lot better than anybody expected after those recent interviews.
Oct 2 2008 10:13PM
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pmills
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no it's the office theme i think
Oct 2 2008 10:14PM
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montageskier
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She is by far one of the worst debaters i have ever seen. This should have been a pay per view event, would have been a real money maker.
Oct 2 2008 10:14PM
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Ben.
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ugh.
she needs to use the word "you" not "ya"
Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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Elijah.
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She just shouted out to some 3rd graders...


I'll agree she's doing better than I thought she would, but she's so fucking annoying...
Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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J.D.
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She's been doing it a lot too... the "joe six pack" comment had my hand over my face. But she countered that response really well, the "extra credit" line worked brilliantly.

I really hope they get back to education.
Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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Calb3rt
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It is so obvious how much more intelligent Biden is than Palin, she pretty much rambles off sound bytes and nothing really is organized logically.
Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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Mexico
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yeah seriously
Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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The surge was definitely a success - it wasn't the only thing that's led to Iraq's turnaround in the past year, but that wouldn't have happened without it.  And Biden certainly implied that the surge is a success when he talked about why it wouldn't work in Afghanistan.
Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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ECski
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Both Biden and Palin have said nuculur about 3 times Palin more
Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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pmills
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i still don't think it's commendable to be doing better than awful.

Is she going to/can she stand up to this standard in her next interview?



Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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anxju
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lol on the vice prez subject palin was talking about what it means and she said "john mccain has already tapped me" of course she followed with "and told me i would lead these points, etc"
Oct 2 2008 10:15PM
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J.D.
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By the way, this has to be the most entertaining VP debate ever. Really watchable and way, way better than last friday's.
Oct 2 2008 10:16PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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If Biden didn't think that would be the outcome, why did he vote in favor of the war?  You mean he was the only person that saw this bloodbath coming and he STILL supported it?  Shit, the man must be a total psychopath.
Oct 2 2008 10:17PM
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J.D.
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"Cheney is the most dangerous Vice President in American history."

No kidding, he shoots people in the face. DUCK!
Oct 2 2008 10:18PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Hold on...I was distracted by NS for a second and all I caught of Biden's last response was that the VP isn't a part of the legislative branch.  Did he really say that?  He didn't really say that, did he?  It's too bad the average American wouldn't catch that anyway.
Oct 2 2008 10:19PM
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mellifluous
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"darn right"
Oct 2 2008 10:19PM
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pmills
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how is Canadian debate going,  i think Ryno is all alone watching Layton and Harper
Oct 2 2008 10:19PM
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J.D.
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Are you watching or just typing? His response was what he was voting for was the power to use sanctions of leverage, and warned that if there was a war, any action without the support of a broad coalition would lead to ten years of war and cost billions of dollars. So that's his response.

She's rambling now.
Oct 2 2008 10:20PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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You're just saying that because this is the first ever VP or Presidential debate with a MILF.  Pervert.... :)
Oct 2 2008 10:20PM
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J.D.
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Yeah you caught me. Actually, I'll say this now:

I wouldn't.

But then I don't hunt cougar.
Oct 2 2008 10:22PM
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pmills
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John McCain is change?
Oct 2 2008 10:22PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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If that's your position, wouldn't the responsible thing to do be to vote against that bill until it SAYS that?
Oct 2 2008 10:23PM
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Rachy
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there palin is again with her "this is a nation of equal rights" blah blah blah....

Then support them you idiot!

She seriously needs to stop saying Maverick.
Oct 2 2008 10:23PM
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Uncle_Remus
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 she says maverick one more time and im going to kil my self,,, and im dead :x

Oct 2 2008 10:23PM
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Ben.
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shit. i would

as long as she didnt scream out randomness as we did it


putins head! alaska watches russia! taxes! economy!
Oct 2 2008 10:23PM
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Calb3rt
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Palin doesn't have any specific arguments, everything is really generalized and kinda sounds the same. It is hard to tell what question she is answering sometimes.
Oct 2 2008 10:24PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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You have to be pretty naive to think there'll be real change from either ticket at this point.
Oct 2 2008 10:24PM
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papasteeze
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is anyone else watching this on high def.?
Oct 2 2008 10:24PM
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J.D.
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"John McCain is the man we need to leave." - Sarah Palin

Hahaha. Not seriously, but that's a pretty bad slip of the tongue right there.

Biden is ripping McCain a new one.
Oct 2 2008 10:24PM
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J.D.
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Hey, you get no argument from me, I just quoted you his answer. If you'd been here 5 or 6 years ago you would've seen page long threads from me ranting about how terrible an idea the war was and how obvious it was that the WMD thing was a farce. But he makes one good point; McCain's sound bytes from back then are utterly damning, he sounds like Cheney.
Oct 2 2008 10:26PM
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Uncle_Remus
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blah blah in Alaska landis tanaka is spansorcized by oakley blah blah bipartizen blah
Oct 2 2008 10:27PM
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