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CAP vs Sidewalls

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Journey
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why do all the ski companies make sidewal contruction versus cap??? cap is so much better in so many ways. sidewalls is for racing, ive skied both and can say widewalls are heavier, less durbale, not as flexy . basically just bulkier and gayer. i loved my fujatives casuesthey were cap but now i cant find a comany that makes cap models. if anyone here knows who makes cap lholla at me.

notes: sidewalls is for racing, cap is better. suck a dick no homo
Sep 26 2008 3:22PM
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b-kul
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if cap was so good dont you think there would be more cap skis?
Sep 26 2008 3:27PM
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jdec45
Posts: 180 - Karma: 10
Hmmm what a worthless posts, seriously how are you, 11,12... Come on man don't post stupid shit like that.
Sep 26 2008 4:25PM
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skibum143
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Stupid post.....you FAIL.
Sep 26 2008 4:40PM
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joystickpimp
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cap=gay
sidewall=pro-stat

Just look at some of the pros and see how many of them ride cap skis vs. sidewall
plus real skiers need skis that have sturdy flex so when we throw down of 60 booters were not on skis that are soft as fuckin cardboard. Sidewall is sturdier and gives better egdge reinforcment.
Sep 26 2008 5:05PM
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neon1peace
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hahaha i like how you spelled edge^
Sep 26 2008 5:41PM
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KravtZ
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also for those of us who can actually make turns outside the park  the sidwalls make it much nicer with the sturdiness and flex and stablilty.
Sep 26 2008 7:03PM
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Lemuel
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i dont really prefer either. i dont really care, i have had good and bad experiences with both. and face it, neither is durable. they both chip and once they do, sidewall peels and cap keeps chipping off that chip. cap is definitely lighter and poppier. sidewall has more edge reinforcement and overall reduces vibration. slanted side wall is the best IMO because it looks better and creates a wider width with less weight
Sep 26 2008 7:13PM
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carbon.pulse
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"ive skied both and can say widewalls are heavier, less durbale"

Im assuming you were trying to say "durable" and "sidewalls"?

Looking past your appaling spelling, my question is, how can having the core of the ski covered by a thick sidewall of a strong plastic such as p-tex, make the ski less durable than one covered by a thin, in most cases, single sheet of fiberglass?
Sep 26 2008 9:11PM
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fragglemuffin
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go pick up a pair of line elizabeths and tell me that sidewall skis are not flexy....read up next time before making a stupid post
Sep 26 2008 10:31PM
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huge-go
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Vertical side walls are dope though. So sturdy and they transfer power best(not sure how many people actually feel a difference). Companies have also started combining the two, like Armada with their ar50 sidewall, and rossi's mini cap. 4FRNT's doing a a twin bevel this year, so it's vertical sidewalls with a slanted sidewall at the top to deflect the edges.
Sep 26 2008 10:35PM
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Journey
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You're really smart arent you. the fucking reason i made this thread was asking why so many pros use sidewall construction.. and by the way ive been racing hard pack ice east coast since as long as i can remember and ALL racing skis have thick ass sidewalls and are heavy inflexible boards. i hit 90 foot "booters" on my fujatives and in no way did they feel like "cardboard." Im also pretty damn sure hitting huge "booters" on mad flexible skis would be harder control and stomp landings than on sidewalls that are more than an inch high, therefore increasing the difficulty of the landing....dumbass

pros use sidewalls becasue thats all companies fucking make now, just becasue they have it doesnt make it better, and it definetly doesnt make cap ''gay."

Also, if sidewall is sturdeier, how is it that the edges on my ar6's ripped out and thesidewalls chip like crazy, and my fujatives are spotless? How is it that the original fujative model i got 4 years ago and have done plenty of urban on and hit '60 foot booters" with (OMG) are also in perfect conditon? the cap is just a continuation of the top sheet, not an additonal section added on between the base and the topsheet.

If your such a 'real skier' why dont you give a point of view on the benefits of sidewal construction instead of jsut calling cap "gay' while inferring that i am inexperienced and cannot actually "really ski?"

im 100% posotive that i have more overall skills on skis than you do, that its unless your pro level and are exericned in disciplines of ski other than your precious "60 foot booters"


Sep 27 2008 12:59AM
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shabinka
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He never said foot. he just said 60 booters. He probably means 60 inch booters. Or if you're using metric 150ish cm booters
Sep 27 2008 1:09AM
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iggyskier
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There is no comparison between sidewall and cap construction. Take this from someone who has build 50+ pairs of skis. Cap construction is crap. There is of course some unfortunate aspects of sidewall construction, as with anything. But most of those things are minor. The power transfer, feel, and durabilty of sidewall skis is much better. The negatives are minor, like topsheet chipping. If you like cap more, by all means ski cap skis. But trying to say that cap is superior to sidewall construction is bs.
Sep 27 2008 10:15AM
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JGP.
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This is correct.
Sep 27 2008 10:37AM
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pretzels
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not so sure bro. thread creater made some really good points about hitting big jumps and his skis feeling really solid and stuff. i always ride cap constracution and have no problems (and im always stomping stuff)
Sep 27 2008 10:49AM
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phishfood
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because obviously we said that people who ride cap skis can't stomp anything....
good thing there was no claiming in that post either.

/end sarcasm


ANYway i think they both have their benifits, but in terms of overall performance and stability, sidewall skis are usually better. there are some good cap skis (dumonts) but most high performance skis are side walled anyway. personally, the only thing i like better about cap skis are how light they usually are.
Sep 27 2008 10:57AM
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joystickpimp
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First, of all your gay, just like cap skis.
Second, cap construction is cheap and shitty like your ability to have a good comeback to my original reply.
Third, im calling you out on skill, yes i am saying i am better than you.
Fourth, fujitives are weak sauce.
Fifth, why do you even ask? Your gay cap construction is gay you two were meant to be together.
Sixth, I can tell your a shity skier because the only way your sidewalls are gonna get beat up is if you cross your tips when you ski anyways. That is why cheap low end skis are cap because they allow noobs like you to cross your tips and not ruin your skis.
Sep 27 2008 7:56PM
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Commonwealth
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Armada el Rey is cap construction.
Sep 27 2008 8:16PM
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huge-go
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And calling someone gay is SOO original.
Sep 27 2008 9:23PM
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Journey
Posts: 421 - Karma: 16
haha nice one dude!!!

your "original" reply???? how?

Calling shit gay isnt oriingal, seeing as it happens in every thread.

The only way sidewalls chip is from crossign my skis? ever heard of rails, urban, grabs in which you cross your skis?????

nice one bro.
Sep 27 2008 11:41PM
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amo
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are we in third grade?
Sep 28 2008 12:10AM
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GuerillaInDaMist
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i see no difference between both of them. im a racer and i prefer sidewall because its a shit load easier to tune the skis.
Sep 28 2008 12:46AM
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clive_bixby
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hey journey nice double lazer kill. check mine out https://www.newschoolers.com/web/content/pictures/id/213868/
Sep 28 2008 12:51AM
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BigJew
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Cap skis have a tendency to delaminate, the edges pull out easily, and they lose camber very quickly.

I delammed a pair of chronics and rockered and knocked the edges out of a pair of Fujatives in the same season. My Scratches and Dynastars have each lasted a season and although the edges did come of them too they stayed structurally sound.
Sep 28 2008 1:27AM
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BULLSEMEN
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By original he ment his first reply you blithering idiot.
Sep 28 2008 1:40AM
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gregor
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You crazy foo'.

Cap skis are usually tortionally soft and dont hold their structural stability for as long as a sandwich/hybrid construction.
Sep 28 2008 8:47AM
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KravtZ
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yes sandwhich skis are better we all know that but there is nothing wrong with cap skis. i ride surface watchlifes and fucken love them so much. also cap is way more durable. only so much of it is the ski also  most of it depends on the skier.
Sep 28 2008 8:55AM
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j.saaaarela
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 first of all, its all about preference
second, you= major claimage
third, PROS MAKE THEIR OWN MODELS U DUMB FUCK
Sep 28 2008 12:33PM
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GetPitted
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...I like my cap skis...
Sep 28 2008 1:11PM
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Journey
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hahahaha. why dont you go work on your sick mute grabs you little bitch!!! sick pics in your profile. great style on rails!!!  i almost feel bad ripping on you causey our like 12 and you are abosltuley terrible. and yeah im fucking claiming im better than you cause you are absolutely terrible. go suck a dick. nice best trick list...not. you little fucking queer.
Sep 28 2008 1:20PM
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camohard
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how is cap more durable? sure aesthetically i guess sidewall skis look more damaged at first because you can cut into the plastic relatively easily. but as far as performance goes, sidewall will outlast any cap ski. with cap, you have less than 1mm of a plastic compound and then a layer or so of fiberglass before you get to the wood core (at which point moisture will get inside your ski). sidewalls required busting through like 7mm of plastic. as far as edges coming out, i wouldn't be surprised if cap has a little bit of an upper hand there, though sidewall has so many other advantages as mentioned by others. cap is lighter, hard to argue against that. if you disagree with the durability claim, search around the forums for the pictures of peoples' anthems from last season, for numerous examples. you can say that it's the quality of that ski, but remember that none of these ski companies are making their own topsheet or anything, they all come from basically one or two suppliers. if cap was better, companies wouldn't be paying the huge cost of sidewalls in their high-end skis just for fun and pros wouldn't be compromising their contest results in order to ride heavier shittier skis. no they probably can't get the exact ski they want, but if they wanted a cheaper cap ski, i doubt the manufacturer would object.
Sep 28 2008 3:13PM
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TOAST.
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No, the reason you made this thread was "why do all the ski companies make sidewal contruction versus cap?" You did not say anything about pros in your original post.  And the reason that so many pros use sidewalls is because they prefer it over cap. It is all about personal opinion. I am sure some pros also like caped skis also.

Sep 28 2008 3:24PM
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jca
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Yeah man thats so cool how you make fun of a 12 year old on the internet!!!
Get over yourself, no one cares about how your better that a little kid who learning how to slay shit.

On another note I prefer sandwich skis because they feel way more solid.  And you may have noticed how all the companies low end skis are all cap.
Sep 28 2008 3:34PM
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chewy15
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rediculous thread. sidewalls skis can obviously be made to be flexy or stiff. there are advantages to both, disadvatages to both. if you land wrong on a rail or hit a rock you'll lose your edge regardless of cap or sidewall construction
Sep 28 2008 6:18PM
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Thomson.
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What ever happened to it being preference?
Sep 28 2008 6:51PM
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j.saaaarela
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ya see thats wat i said... i like sandwich just cuz i think its more sturdy for big park and pipe..... this thread seems kinda pointless to me...
Sep 28 2008 7:21PM
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mmckechnie
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its good for a laugh though
Sep 28 2008 7:24PM
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gregor
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I agree!

Cap? More like Crap!
Sep 28 2008 7:31PM
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Matty_C
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Oh the irony...

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na man i'm just kidding, just had to point it out.


on another note, mr. threadmaker you were evidently born without a large and crucial portion of your brain. claiming to be better at skiing than other kids on the internet is, quite frankly, an embarassment...

fear not little indian, puberty will come, it always does, and your all too evident adolescent anxiety will be a thing of the past. good luck sir and hang in there!
Sep 28 2008 8:13PM
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Journey
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FUCK ALL YOU BITCHES. none of you obviously know shit about skiing or the construction of skis. and yeah, im claiming im better than all of you faggots. Why the fuck do you want such stiff ass skis for park??? fucking retards. and yeah im better than all of you. im gonna make an edit this year and rove all of you wrong. FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 29 2008 10:26PM
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invader7
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hahaha your a real character arntcha. all of ns knows that sandwich construcion skis are better from personal experience. coming in here and claiming that your the best skiier and the smartest is reall mature.. what grade are you in? but if your little cap skis are holding up on your little twenty foot jumps and not washing out, falling apart, and losing camber after a season i guess stick with them. oh


and your a fuckin faggot

Sep 29 2008 10:38PM
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Silence
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Explain why 90% of park skis are sidewall.
Explain why 90% of promodels are sidewall. (And don't bother saying because they have a higher margin)

The only cap skis out there tend to be the price point crap.
Sep 29 2008 10:51PM
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Aenigma
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Why did you ask a question if you didn't want an answer?  Cap skis generally aren't as good, live with it.

Go ahead and "rove" all us "retards" and "faggots" wrong.  Please.
Sep 29 2008 10:56PM
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durkin.
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capped skis definitely are more durable, but the reason most skis are sidewall construction is because they generally perform better and the riders who design them or for whom the skis are designed for don't care if the skis don't last long, nor do the companies as warranties only last a year anyhow.

and yes journey is better than you. and yes he likes his capped skis as do a lot of good riders
Oct 2 2008 1:57AM
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SnowJumperAK
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The real question is Why are 12 yr olds on this site? Where the fuck are your parents? I can gurantee your parents seen me they would not let you talk to me on the hill. and if they did they are all sorts of wrong, the day my 12 yr old talks to someone like me, i can gurantee an ass beating, for them talking to a old dude like me, and the dude for talking to a 12 yr old. get a life. yeah skiing awesome, and its fuckin great that kids are stompin some sick ass shit. My kids ski and they are 4,5, and 8, it doesnt mean im going to let them check out newschoolers so they can read about dudes smokin blunts and fuckin bitches though, come on, i thought this was a ski site, not a whos cooler than who site. Skiing is a lifestyle, and i live for the white fluffy shit every year, doesnt mean i need to brag to every dude on this site how bad ass i am or how much better i am, man what happened to skiing? There was days that we charged serious pow on some 65mm white rockets and had no prob, now its all about whos skis are fatter and who can say what they can do, rather than do what they can do. dont get me wrong i love my fat twin tipped skis, but seriously if your just here to rip on other dudes, peace, dont need you around. been watching this site for like 5 years now, and i got like 5 posts, shit half of you havent even been skiing long enough to remember what skiing was before "parabolic" skis came around. Get a life, shut up and ski, give advice, pat a bro on the back for hittin a switch 9 or something, but who CARES? Cap, sidewall, all prefrence, i loved my caps, but they did get pretty tore up over a few year period, sidewalls are great too, does it fuckin matter? ski, by yourself, with 800 inches of pow under you, and the last thought on your mind is "shit i wonder if my caps can take this beating im about to dish out" or "i hope my sidewalls dont get knicked"
S. Pete
Oct 2 2008 5:28AM
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Calb3rt
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^amen. next time im down in anchorage we should smoke a blunt, not so much talking about fucking bitches but ski instead... don't have to let your kids know shhh.
Oct 2 2008 5:36AM
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Pwn.Mode
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this is kinda funny but i got a question are you referring to sidewalls or top sheets chipping? cuz top sheets on sidewalls skis chip but the sidewalls are burly as fawk. everyone is going to have their opinions about what skis they like to ski and why. sidewall skis are more torsionally stiff, which makes them more stable at speed and hold edges better, they're also more duriable. cap skis are light, that's about it. every ski is going to be different but as far as build goes that's how it is. so prefer what you want to prefer, ski what you wanna ski.
Oct 2 2008 5:56AM
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skiP.E.I.
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Much hubris?
Oct 2 2008 7:00AM
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