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McCain just suspended his campaign

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Parkboy
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And wants to postpone the debate because of the financial crisis.

What do you guys think of this political move today? Good move, bad move? Tough to say. I think it's going to bounce back on him because I think a LOT of people have been looking forward to the debate friday. Should be interesting to watch how this unfolds towards the end of this week, as well as how the polls react.
Sep 24 2008 5:29PM
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Danger.
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Which is probably another reason that he (McCain) would like to postpone the debates... Last I checked the guy couldn't stand his own ground too well.
Sep 25 2008 3:37AM
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XtRemE11
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yeah i got alot of respect for him, for me its like this:
id rather hang out with obama and be friends, but id trust mccain with my life, so i dont know who i like more. it just seems like if obama gets elected he is gonna be so overwhelmed and not know what the hell to do, but for mccain, its gonna be easy squeezy, and he is gonna do shit right.
but obama thinks more like me and more like younger people, except isnt he against guns? cause if he is fuck that!

Sep 25 2008 3:45AM
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Danger.
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two things. first, if you agree with Obama more, you should probably vote for him. second, I see nothing in McCain that would make me trust him. Perhaps back in the day Soldier McCain immediately after POW camp I would trust, but not Presidential candidate McCain who sacrifices his ideals to put himself ahead in an election. People can change.
Sep 25 2008 3:54AM
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XtRemE11
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it doesnt matter im not voting anyway, ive gotten so much pressure from people to vote, and its getting annoying as hell so fuck it. this girl the other night was asking me about the election and who i was voting for and shit, i said im not gonna vote cause i could really care less who wins, and i really dont wanna get all caught up in all the political bullshit. and she flipped out, saying i wasnt a true american and how im such a terrible person, blah blah blah, so yeah fuck voting. if voters are like this chick and all the other uptight ass holes who are constantly telling me to vote, then i want to be as different as i can from them as possible.
Sep 25 2008 4:11AM
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whattheshit
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indifference and apathy is americas greatest threat.
Sep 25 2008 4:26AM
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punkrock32
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Or, fuck the people that bought houses when they clearly shouldn't have.  When you are barely making enough money to pay off a house the slightest slip of the economy kills you and thus kills the nation as a whole.  The general population is as much responsible as the banks.
Sep 25 2008 4:55AM
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beer.
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so normal everyday people who were psyched they could finally get a house, not the banks with personnel who have a much greater understanding of the economy and knew full well what they were doing was risky, are to blame?
Sep 25 2008 9:42AM
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Dustin.
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Actually about 3 days ago Obama and McCain met and agreed on this.  It's old news, and it won't be detrimental to either side.
Sep 25 2008 9:50AM
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Pipe_Munky
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is it really that hard for you to believe that he might actually give a shit about his country more than his election campaign?
maybe, just maybe he wants to have something left of the american economy when the new president (whether it be himself if obama) is inducted into office.

why does every move the republican party makes have to have some hidden alterior motive?


what about the democrats, has anyone here looked deeply into their campaign or have you all been lead to believe that obama is going to be the savior of america?
Sep 25 2008 10:12AM
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Dustin.
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Wow, what an interesting point to make from an Obama supporter.  Do you hear yourself talk?
Sep 25 2008 10:16AM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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McCain was a Naval Aviator, not a soldier.

But you're absolutely right about the "People can change" point.
Sep 25 2008 10:39AM
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wh@t
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right on.

the scary part is, its gotten so bad that Americans dont seem to care that they are apathetic. ironically.
Sep 25 2008 10:48AM
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drumbumocdp
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I think McCain is scared of debating obama. he wants to go try and fix and economical problem but he never has delt with economics, so what is he going to do? plus, this is the perfect time for a debate. the people should be able to hear from their leaders at a time like this. imo
Sep 25 2008 10:49AM
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coolhandluke
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instead of debating and pumping the airwaves full of hot air, why don't they go and actually ACCOMPLISH something that is very important for our fiscal future?
Sep 25 2008 10:55AM
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drumbumocdp
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very mature
Sep 25 2008 11:08AM
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king.tubby
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this is a crzy thought, but it might be nice to hear from the candidates BEFORE the ellection. i dont think a debate after the election would do much good, do you?
Sep 25 2008 11:18AM
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J.D.
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It's not the republicans and it's not a hidden ulterior motive: that's exactly my point. The fact is, every move a presidential candidate makes is calculated to help him win the presidency. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, I'm sorry, painfully naive.
Sep 25 2008 11:44AM
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Quinny
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The whole debate issue aside, the economy is the single most important component of any country. Period. It dictates all actions towards energy, immigration, foreign policy, education, heathcare, welfare, and all the other interchangeable hot-button topics. You can't have any of those 'nice' things that without a sturdy economic model.
Sep 25 2008 12:47PM
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Sno.
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Don't you think he has pressure to act a little more conservative than usual while running for the presidency as the republican candidate?  Don't you think it's more likely, that John Mccain has been the same person for the past 50 years, and that he appears to be a little more right wing on purpose while running for office, due to the fact that he has to appeal to all the right wingers, and that once elected into office he'll portray the same man he's been for the last half century?

Or do you honestly think it's more likely that he just changed as a person entirely the second he decided to run for president?
Sep 25 2008 1:05PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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that girl is dumb, then again so are you.
She probably doesn't know shit about the election anyway.
You, on the other hand, "don't want to get caught up in this political bullshit," Well get used to it bud, that is how our country is run, so you should pay some fucking attention to it and make an informed decision.  I'm not even going to say you owe it to your country, or that it's patriotic, because that is entirely beside the point anyway.  you owe it to yourself to learn about the issues and make a choice.

And it's not all political bullshit, grow up.
Sep 25 2008 1:43PM
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punkrock32
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Somewhat, yes.  You don't make that large of an investment without an understanding of how you are barely meeting the payments.  I agree with you that its more so the banks fault, but you can't allow the people who bought property off the hook that easily.  Let me ask, do you research a company before buying stock, or do you just go ahead and buy it because you have the funds to do so?  Similar concept, only property is larger scale.
Sep 25 2008 1:57PM
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Mr.O
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Thing about stocks is even if you are making a pretty big commitment by investing in a particular stock, you can always sell whereas in the real estate market you aren't so lucky. Not to mention the market for real-estate is so down right now that if you found out that you could not afford a mortgage, then you are pretty screwed because there is no certainty that someone will buy and then you will be stuck paying that mortgage and possibly paying a smaller one or rent for an apartment or something.
Sep 25 2008 2:05PM
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Ryno
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QUICK! everyone look at the economy and not the house bunny i chose for my runningmate!
Sep 25 2008 2:06PM
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smuggs
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I personally i dont see at all why there is even going to be an election

McCain cheated on his wife of his children, married some girl with a ton of money, while he was still married to his first wife
McCain has a deep history of lying about everything


Palin has a pregnant teenage daughter and shes an idiot.

If america votes these two ass clowns into office, i donno what im gonna do.





Sep 25 2008 2:06PM
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J.D.
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Yeah... well, there is that. A video put together by a Romney supporter during the primaries:


The interest rates at zero thing is just priceless.


Sep 25 2008 3:10PM
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Sno.
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^meh...that's why they have economic advisors.
Sep 25 2008 3:13PM
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Ben.
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not to mention isnt this bill going to be drawn up by a committee that he isnt even on?
Sep 25 2008 3:19PM
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punkrock32
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True, but you still lose money on selling the stock.  Its much smaller than a house payment, but the concept is similar.  You lose the stock (property in the house case), and are down money (paying off a house, etc.).  In both cases, research of the situation is very important.  Someone who buys a house without an understanding of what could happen, or someone who doesn't research a stock is an idiot.  You don't invest money into something without knowing the situation and potential repercussions.
Sep 25 2008 3:21PM
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Sno.
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Well, in Bush's speech, he invited both candidates to be involved in discussions concerning the bill.
Sep 25 2008 3:35PM
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Caveman.
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Because Palins daughter being pregnant has so much to do with Palin's character and integrity. God I fucking hate NS political threads. If I would have gotten that girl at the party pregnant a couple weeks ago would that make her mom a slut? No I dont think so.
Sep 25 2008 5:20PM
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J.D.
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I thought this was pretty funny... and just made a donation of my own.

"Planned Parenthood is suddenly a lot richer because of Sarah Palin.

And the Republican vice presidential nominee will soon be receiving tens of thousands of thank-you notes.

A three-week-old Internet campaign is asking abortion-rights activists to send donations to Planned Parenthood in honor of the Alaska governor.[..]

One e-mail making the rounds on the Internet says: “Instead of (actually, in addition to) all of us all sending more e-mails about how absolutely horrible she is, let’s all make a donation to Planned Parenthood in Sarah Palin’s name.”

Katie Groke Ellis, field manager for the Planned Parenthood of the Rockies Action Fund, predicts that the five-state chapter of the group alone could draw $100,000 in donations.[..]

Planned Parenthood sends a handwritten thank-you card to the donor. If a donation is made in someone’s name, he or she gets one, too.

In this case, the Palin cards will go to Republican presidential nominee John McCain’s national headquarters."


Sep 25 2008 5:30PM
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Ben.
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and in this day and age they have telephones and what not that make it really simple to be in on the discussion, even if you arent physically there. as president you need to be able to multitask and mccain is proving that he isnt capable of that.

also i stand by my question. if palin is so capable why cant she run this campaign in his absence?
Sep 25 2008 5:37PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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The logic of both of you is dumb.
However, with Palin's abstinence only plan and no sex ed....well look what happened.  her daughter is a dumb hoe, and Palin....well I'm sure everybody knows what she is.
Sep 25 2008 5:39PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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I'm planning on donating too, not soley because of Palin, but it is a great program.
Sep 25 2008 5:41PM
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Ben.
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see. im in a dilemma there. cuz her daughter is such a great example of her plan NOT WORKING. but i agree family should stay out of it. then again she waves them around like trophys so.... mebbe. idk
Sep 25 2008 5:45PM
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Rachy
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Not really related to the topic, but it is about sarah palin and i didnt want to make a new post.

Enjoy, its funny even if you like McCain.

http://tinyurl.com/3vwak9
Sep 25 2008 5:50PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Family should stay out of it, but in this case, it is something you should make a note of, even form an opinion of.  The news should however, stay out of it.
Sep 25 2008 5:51PM
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Caveman.
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Her daugher is a fucking teenager its natural to rebel against your parents. What are you some kind of goody good that forms right into your parents mold that sees troubled kids as having failed parents? One of those fuckers who wont drink until they're 21 and rats out people who do because your parents and the law say not to drink? Leave the fucking family out of this.
Sep 25 2008 5:52PM
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Sno.
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well yeah, that's the argument all of the left wingers are using against mccain.  They were sure to come up with something, what did you expect them to say "mccain has made a sound choice here, we concede"

and it's really a terrible argument...obviously the whole 'campaign on hold' had headline and shock value, that's what they were going for.
Sep 25 2008 5:54PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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I don't even know how to respond to this, it doesn't even relate much to what I said.

I was saying that her abstinence only idea is just absolutely fucking retarded.  Look what came of it.  and being a 17 year old girl (or 18, whatever she is) and getting pregnant and then getting married.....Jesus Christ, is this the 1950's???

No I don't do what my parents say, I had to argue for with my parents to do what I do.  I used to drink, i still do sometimes, I smoke all the time, BFD!

and why would you care if I didn't drink, that would be a personal choice.
Sep 25 2008 6:00PM
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med75
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THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!! If anyone is interested here is a link to a Demand the debate 2008 petition. Please help get the word out that americans aren't as stupid as Republicans think!!!

http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/5583/t/3369/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=131
Sep 25 2008 6:04PM
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Fish_Sandwich.
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Americans (both sides) are as stupid as the republicans think.  Look at the last election.
Sep 25 2008 6:06PM
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J.D.
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Dude, don't even worry about it. The Debate Commission is all over it.

"The Debate Commission and Ole Miss have announced that the debate will continue as scheduled. SuveryUSA conducted a lightning-quick poll and found that 90% of Americans believe the debate should go on as scheduled."

The first debate between John McCain and Barack Obama is scheduled to take place in two days. Should the debate be held as scheduled? Should the debate be held, but the format changed to focus on the economy? Or, should the debate be postponed?

Hold as scheduled: 50
Hold with focus on economy: 36
Postpone: 10


Sep 25 2008 6:10PM
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Ben.
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but he wont admit that thats what it was. a stunt to gain votes (that failed)
Sep 25 2008 6:25PM
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EClay46
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while im not saying mccain is a "pussy" being a pow does not make you brave. the biggest pussy in the army could get captured but that doesnt automatically make him brave.

there was a video about mccain from a fellow pow in the camp talking about mccain. ill look for it later ive gotta go to class
Sep 25 2008 6:30PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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You're gonna have to fill me in on what candidates have announced about ANYTHING they've done, "Yeah, that was a stunt to gain votes."  Because EVERYTHING they do is just that.


Sep 25 2008 6:30PM
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J.D.
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Yep. The problem is when that doesn't stop once the race is over.
Sep 25 2008 6:32PM
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parkerhouse
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It draws attention to him.  We're talking about him right now when otherwise we'd be doing something else
Sep 25 2008 6:37PM
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