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if you don't wear the suspenders
than your pants won't stay up....
and if you wear them
apparently they aren't baller enough for some
if you like the straps, then just buy any random snowpants and use some sag straps to accesorize http://www.sagstraps.com
i have xl's....if i don't wear the straps then the pants pretty much fall down. way baggy, sick pants. if you wear the straps, no pow in your crack. that's nice!
I have them in large and with the straps all the way undone the waistband is almost at my knees... Im 5'11" and 140. they are super warm and confortable. And whoever said you cant sag them obviously hasnt worn them because they are huge...