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ski movies have to change

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Dfresh
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i realized something after watchnig rfa today for the first time, its almost the same fucking movie as forward, you know what else, i bet the footage in focused is the exact same shit too, where im getting at is
WHY the fuck does someone have the same part in every fucking movie, film for one fuckign company and no more, it is so annoying when you waste 40$ on a movie you already own, except for a few parts which doesnt even make it worth it, and when most of the movie is either footage from another movie or competition footage, it doesn't say much about the movie,
also, when it says its featuring someone, but they only have 3 tricks in the whole movie, it also makes it really shitty, i wanted to see some footage in rfa of the people it said it has, not 3 clips, in super slow motion that the songs don't even go with the skiing, its jsut frustrating, and then almost all the footage again is usualyl either competition or photo shoots (parkasauras, superpark, etc...)
snowboard movies don't do that, they have a whole movie dedicated to comps/jams called 'gameshow' (mack dawg) and in the other vids its UNIQUE footage, not the same part in every movie, and its not super super slow, they have trick after trick, not trick, lifestyle shot, trick, lifestlye shot to waste time and try to make it seem like the part is much longer then it really is,

another example i can use is skateboarding, those vids are 20-30 minutes long of trick after trick, you get Stoked on skating then

there is one person who has done it right so far, and that is josh berman, this is completely my own opinion though, his movie is sick, and this year he toned down the competition footage, and more unique parts
its not 3 or 4 people for every song, people actually have FULL parts, like the ad promises, and also, its all his footage (i think) most of the shots are from road trips he took with the skiers and kickers and what not that he was shooting at (i think i don't know for sure) whereas rfa (im not positive) perhaps borrowed some of his footage?
also, his is just about non stop tricks in each persons segment, and the tricks are not soo slow that it almost makes it boring, he edits it at just the rigth speed to make it enjoyable and get you super stoked about skiing

things i would like to see improved for next year is people filming for one company, so all their best footage goes into one film, it makes the movie better and unique, not so much repeated footage, that is basically it , if eveyrone sticked to one company you would see much more of each skier in the movie (not 2 or 3 clips) and each movie would be better bcause you would have all their best footage from the whole year

oh ya, less footage from the same locations for each person, so less jam footage , etc.. and more working with the person one on one and making their segment unique and just the best skiing possible


i have not seen 1242 so i can't speak for that, i heard that the athletes filmed just for that movie (at least some of them) so im expecting big things still , so hopefully pbp hit it right with that movie,

maybe a suggestion would be for pbp to only release one movie next year instead of two, and let some of the atheletes like chrighton and steel , olenick, etc.. film for level 1 because i prefereed their parts in that movie anyywas...

or pbp could amke a competition movie such as 'gameshow'

anyways thats it, feel free to post your opinions on this matter...

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Oct 28 2003 6:49PM
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ErikT
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very tru, i think each flick should have its own unique footy, and only its own.



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Oct 28 2003 6:53PM
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S.Harkins
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make the difference or shup up - so what your saying, close the doors on the new age movies and let warren miller take back over?
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Oct 28 2003 6:55PM
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Dfresh
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'make the difference or shup up - so what your saying, close the doors on the new age movies and let warren miller take back over?'

^i don't think you even read my post, read it again... and reply sensibly, i want this to be a good discussion...

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Oct 28 2003 6:57PM
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Itsbackfliptime
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FARP 2. We've got so many ideas.

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Oct 28 2003 6:58PM
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^^^ hhaha, that never gets old :)

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Oct 28 2003 7:07PM
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Dfresh
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sorry i should have also mentioned this, ive also seen focus this year (theory-3) and it doesn't have overlaping footage either and has different skiers, beacuse (at least i think sO) it was a bunch of friends taht went out and filmed thir skiing the whole year, and these friends just happened to be pretty good, so its like one of those movies that like normal skiers put together just for fun

except this movie was done by someone who knows how to film / edit and who has friends that are good skiers.

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Oct 28 2003 7:07PM
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Melvs
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want a change... try this... I gaurentee you will see none of these skeirs, shots, locations, in any other movie (except mabye Gwyne, but that doesn't count).

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Oct 28 2003 7:15PM
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bigskia
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Alrighty..good ideas but there's a big difference between skiing and snowboarding
1. How many people ski and buy PBP/Level 1 Production...movies? Answer not a lot, thus smaller budget, Johnny has been quoted as saying he's run out of money multiple times. Snowboarding on the other hand has huge budget due to it's popularity

2. Number of pro snowboarders/skateboarders compared to skiers. Sure it would be great if everyone filmed w/ one company but there's not enough meat to go around...as well, we all as in newschool skiers are bitchy kids who only want to see the best. that is why few people despite their probably superior quality in many subjects will buy movies like White Dreams of Skodeo7's movie...not trying to be mean i'm sure you guys and all your riders did real sick jobs

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Oct 28 2003 7:31PM
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winterparksuks
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focoused has way different footage then rfa
high life has different footy from everyone so does junkshow diaries happy dayz and rfa are the same pbp needs to get more creative they still make great movies though AHHHH I SAID THOUGH AGAIN!!!!!
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Oct 28 2003 7:39PM
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JibbaJabba
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^ couldnt have said it better myself.

It is impossible to compare the snowboarding industry to the freeski industry, even though I see it almost daily on NS and on the hill. People are always talking 'but snowboard movies this' and 'snowboard companies do that' and its ridiculous. I am actually really proud of all the advancements skiing has made in just one year. We have a lot of cool things happening right now. Sure it would be cool to see skiing become bigger, but do we really want to be the corporate whores that snowboarding has become?

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Oct 28 2003 7:45PM
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by the way, the ^ was pointing at bigskia.

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Oct 28 2003 7:46PM
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gambino500014
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Well i personally enjoy lifestyle shots and stuff...... and as for FOCUS by theory-3 media, its not jsut a group of friends riding its so much more, there is alot of work put into that movie just as much as amy other movie, therefor using the same money? no T3 has almost nothing for a budget and they still made one of the sickest movies of the year and its for sure a contender, the skiing isnt just par, its up there with the higher level of pro riding
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Oct 28 2003 7:49PM
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TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsJik
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maybe a ski movie with a bit of a plot/stroyline mixed into the movie and funny things like you'd see in cky added in for extra watchability value....hmmm, also music choice is key....



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Oct 28 2003 7:57PM
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Schwags
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production styles is one thing alot of ski movies are missing. I know this has been said over and over but look at skateboarding production companies and snowboarding companies they all vary in style of production and have a certain emotional feel to them.. As cheesy as that sounds they stand out far and above to most ski movies.

dont take me wrong the companies out there with the budgets get great shots and capture excellent footage but they put a certain boundry on what they do with there videos.. Hopefully soon they catch on that people dont wanna see the same movie every year with updated footage.

the skiers are progressing why not the videos?
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Oct 28 2003 7:59PM
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Schwags
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and the budget argument is overrated.. budget doesnt buy creativity, unless you pay other companies to do your dirty work..
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Oct 28 2003 8:03PM
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i bet 1242 is going to rock it like never before
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Oct 28 2003 8:07PM
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tan
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its hard to follow 10-15 riders around during the year


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Oct 28 2003 8:18PM
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JibbaJabba
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Did anyone else think Forward was a step above other ski vids? That movie redeemed ski movies for me and let me know that at least Josh B is on the right track. And from the looks of the trailers, it looks like Focus and Pengiun Milk will be really unique too.
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Oct 28 2003 8:28PM
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LancePenetration
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Due to injuries, fuck-ups, bad weather, bad luck, hangovers, etc. some people get smaller sections than originally planned.

It's a lot easier to shoot a skateboard movie than a ski movie. No worries about avalanches, shitty conditions, tracked up terrain, and whatever else. And blue days are easy to find, unlike in the mountains.

If everyone is fighting for the same skier and the same footage, it sounds like there's a lack of talent around.
Oct 28 2003 8:30PM
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east
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yeah RFA is your average ski porn but 1242 looks like it's going to kill it
Oct 28 2003 8:30PM
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jjjibs
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snowboard flics kill it..ya i know were sick of hearing about snowboarders...
its true..there flics are core..mik D., shane szocs are icons but their parts have been the same for 3 yrs going.
i just see sections of RFA and wonder if thats all that skier did all year or what?
but hey..the stuff still rocks..always room to improve..peace..
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Oct 28 2003 8:31PM
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gambino500014
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spaeking of snowboard videos, anyone see the shakedown yet? so sick
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Oct 28 2003 8:39PM
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i can't wait to see lame


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Oct 28 2003 9:15PM
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Jeff_Thomas
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I agree 100 percent with mr schwagler.
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Shakedown was pretty ill





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Oct 28 2003 9:44PM
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o yea for sure, the stuff thrown down was sick, like just nuts
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Oct 28 2003 10:35PM
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JP Walkers seg was sicknuts. Double cork ...



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Oct 28 2003 10:41PM
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if you want change, then why not do it, whats stopping you from changing
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Oct 28 2003 10:44PM
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AHHH yes...Warren Miller

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Oct 28 2003 11:15PM
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SteveXs2
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Something you didn't consider

Well, maybe you did, but I didn't read your whole post cause it got too gay after the first couple paragraphs.

My point: Compare how Professional Snowboarders there are to Professional Skiers. There's a huge difference, sure there are loads of really good skiers out there but they don't have the time to film all the time because there aren't enough ski companies out there that can pay them to ski full time.

Snowboarding is huge, that's how it is right now, there's lots of money in the industry so they can pay pro boarders to go out and film all the time. But with skiers, there are way less that are living there life with just skiing, most of them are considered a pro but skiing is not actually their profession, they have jobs, and many have futures outside skiing, they certainly don't have time to go and ski every day. But, they do have incredible talent so the companies that want them in their movies go out and film them when there's the chance so they can give them a spot in their movie.


Right now, freeride skiing is small, there aren't too many skiers out there that are jibbing and hitting backcountry booters for a living. There's money in Freestyle Skiing like moguls and aerials, there's money in racing, and there's even some money in big mountain, but when it comes to jibbing, there's not much money.

You can't expect too much when people are scraping the bottom of the barrel, when skiing grows over the years and there are more athletes and when there's more time, then you can compare snowboarding to skiing. But until then, sit back and wait because there's nothing you can do to change it.


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Oct 28 2003 11:25PM
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in response to the first post, yes i felt the same way after watching RFA and forward. and i thought 'what a shitty trend in ski movies'. COMPLETELY UNTRUE its just that you (and i) bought the two movies that were the most similar. Focused has footage that NOBODY has, everything in focused is original, the music fits...that movie is perfect and there is nothing like it. RFA on the other hand has no flow, super short segments, and generally bad music. French Toast, has footage nobody has, smooth editing and music. I think you had every right to get your panties in a knot after watching only those movies, but don't assume. 1242, Focused, and French Toast all have footage nobody has with full segments and smooth editing/music...so don't worry

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hanklambo
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i want to see poorbyz team up with robot food... i think if they could come up with a good way to mix skiing and boarding into one badass movie itd be soo dope... I also agree with having people film only with one company
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Oct 29 2003 6:34AM
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andrewh
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i totally agree with you.
i understand that there is a much larger pool of pro snowboarders, but there are alot of skiers out there now too. i think that we are moving in the same direction as snowboarding as we gain more popularity.i think for now that ski movies need to get their own styles. so far ive seen forward,exact science, and rfa. and ive seen most of the snowboard movies. what i noticed was that rfa had bad flow, bad music, good riding, no originality. there were sections that seemed identical to the style of robotfood (abma/olenick etc.), overedited sections like steeles, and sections that didnt even flow with the music at all. the only sections that i really enjoyed were iannicks and belan's, and pollards(kinda). forward, and exact science on the other hand were amazing and both unique, i also think that speshul will do it and 1242(im hopin). but as for now, as the skiing grows, production companies need to focus on having a creative and original style.
Oct 29 2003 7:07AM
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ColoradoFlats
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yeah, even last year some of the footy (pretty much all of warren millers newschool shit, etc) was bought and re-used, which is super lame and makes the movie suck ass if you ask me..seeing the same shit over and over in 4 different movies is not the idea here...film your own shit, use your own shit...my opinion

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Oct 29 2003 7:48AM
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overtime
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thats the reason i like independent film companies more than big ones like poorboys and laevel 1. there are more snowboard independents than skiing, but itd still be nice to see more orignal stuff.
and speaking of bad ass independent snowboard films, before u die, u have to watch skids 2. best snowboard movie ever, beats most ski movies, good riding, stellar editing, and funny as shit
Oct 29 2003 9:17AM
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skifreak915
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yeah its seems like all the Poorboyz movies are all the same. The same shit over and over. I want to see more vids like , Chapter 3, Blizzard of Ahh's or P-tex Lies and Ducktape. Those were great.
Oct 29 2003 9:47AM
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FARP was a bad enough of idea, now FARP 2? no
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to big of a Forum
Oct 29 2003 10:09AM
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Caden
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whoever up there said something about snowboarding has more footy cause they have more money, that's a big load of shit. berman basically does the whole vid by himself. maybe has a few cameras, but basically just the highest end mini dv. and look at focus. theory 3 definately does not have a high budget. they managed to do it. money isn't always the answer.
Oct 29 2003 4:39PM
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salomonrider
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FARP sucked...give it up. How can u change a ski movie..thers skiing and music, thers not much more you can add
Oct 29 2003 5:34PM
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linefreerider
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THE PARKING LOT EPISODE!!!! again, nice job pat. but really, a lot of ski movies do have a lot of footage. exact science was pretty good. FORWARD RULES ALL






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Oct 29 2003 6:36PM
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i think i got all the anwsers to your questions boys and girls.. eric iberg is making another film this year under the poor boyz label. it will be an eric iberg/tanner hall film made out of tanner new studio in his house. shane nelson is being brought in to edit the whole damn thing. he has done mike wilson's seg in stereotype and belanger's in rfa. the cast is small and we already began filming. the riders are
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Oct 29 2003 8:00PM
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SteveXs2
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Caden, dude, you're fuckin retarded. I was implying to the fact that, sure, they have lots of footage, but a lot of it is the same, like what this whole post is about.

The snowboarding part I was implying was that there are more riders able to film all the time so there's like 1 camera crew on one group of boarders instead of having 5 and seeing the same stuff in 5 different movies.


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Oct 29 2003 8:23PM
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be38
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I don’t think I have seen a ski movie since clay pigeons, or flying circus that hasn’t followed the trends of skiing. in my opinion Wind up films made the best movies ski movies, except a lot of it was big mountain. Creativeness is hard to do because it might not be accepted, that’s why most ski movies look the same because they do what’s popular at the time. like hip hop in ski movies and jackass stuff was cool has hell two years ago. Now it sucks. Its just what happens. 80’s music is probably going to be in all of next years ski movies. Ski movies seem to be on the bottom of the list because they are the newest in the industry(skateboarding, snowboarding). Personality will come in ski movies soon because more movies will be made. Its good to see that you guys want more from these movies
Oct 30 2003 12:04AM
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Jeff_Thomas
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breathe and stop?

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Oct 30 2003 12:15AM
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sim
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im sorry, but Belangers part was one of the slowest in RFA.

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Oct 30 2003 12:25AM
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Jeff_Thomas
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Belans part was the sickest section RFA. Pops huge to Johnny I quite njoyed it. Not Typical PBP and it was what the film needed. Huge props.
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Oct 30 2003 12:35AM
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Oct 30 2003 8:47AM
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tan
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i myself enjoy seeing the lifestyle of the skier, because some of them aren't so different than mine ( with the exception of the sponsors and super nice terrain parks) but its cool to see how they live , and what goes on outside the slope. ITs also cool that they are incorporating more art into their shots, and not just filming riding. So ummm fuck you dude, skiing is going in the right direction.


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Oct 30 2003 10:19AM
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Belan's Segment was sick in RFA! Was a new style of segment and it really showed what skiing is to all of us riders. That's what I found made Plehouse's Exact Science so good. It was a movie made by riders that showed not only trick after trick but it showed the lifestyle and the true passion they had for skiing. It was a diffrent style then most movies and many people don't like it because of it's not hip-hop music or whatever, but it showed true dedication and was a perfect example of was skiing means to alot of us!! Like the crash segment, you get so into it, they show the pain and frustation, and the rider after the bail and you know just what he's thinking cause we've all experienced it!! Samething when they show the rider when he finally stomps it, you can see and remember that amazing feeling! Props to Plehouse for a sick film!! Keep em comming!






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