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McCain's running mate is the Alaskan Governor??!

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aurora.
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what!? Sarah Palin, the alaskan governor, is apparently going to be McCain's running mate. I think its pretty strategic of the republicans to do this, but she stood for nothing while she was running and has no experience. You couldn't attack her or argue against her becuase she basically kept her mouth shut and never said what she specifically stood for other than the generic republican opinion. She is better than our former governor, but vice president???! I just hope people are smart enough to make sure they understand her policies and don't just vote for McCain becuase he's got a women on the ticket the same way i hope people don't just vote for Obama becuase hes black, as much as Id like to see a women as president or vice president....

this also makes the prez race in alaska a lot more heated becuase this year alaska could be a swing state (we are very very republican) and there's quite a few people upset with the republicans here becuase of Ted Stevens and Don Young, but i think people will see that an Alaskan is on the ticket and think thats more important....

i just heard the story on the morning news that it is official but I can't find any online articles about it becuase its too soon, but maybe later I'll post one.
Aug 29 2008 11:00AM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Biden has spent more time in Washington than Hillary.  That was Obama's main point against Hillary.  What a hypocrite.


Aug 29 2008 4:23PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Yet she has more executive experience.
Aug 29 2008 4:26PM
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Tex.
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you dont have the right to question peoples political beleifs man. argue about which canidate is the best if you want but don't stay stuff like what you said in that last paragraph..

i'm an independent with more republican ideals then demecratic ideals. i'm only 19 but havn't lived with my parents since i was 16 (i've lived across the country and only saw them at holidays). so fuck you for thinking you can stereotype this sites young republicans by being brainwashed by rich ol' mom and pop. you dont know everything or everybody. my parents could have easily afforded to pay for my school but i got a scholarship and made every dollar of it go as far as it could go. for fucks sake i'm going to community college to save money on tuition while i get my generals out of the way. just because the majority of our youth doesn't use their brains to their fullest potential doesn't mean that i want my parents or myself in the future for that matter to have to pay for somebody who doesn't put in 100% effort to go to school. its so fucking easy to get scholarships, all i did for mine was go online and file for a shit ton of them.

point is, as a young person i don't want obama starting us on a path of raising taxes for the rich by almost 20%. because i plan on making a shit ton of money so i can live an easy life and fuck anyone who can't make that happen for themselves and then wants wealthier people to bail them out.

Aug 29 2008 4:31PM
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Rogge
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arguing politics on the internet...unless you people actually vote!

I don't care who you vote for, just vote in this election because I think we can all agree on two things:

1) This is a very important election
2) The Gov from AK is a fox

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Aug 29 2008 4:45PM
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papasteeze
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yeah mike, you know what, the more I look at her the more I like her! 

I want something different in office.  fuck all the issues, I am sick of thinking about them.  I am going to try something different and vote for a pretty face sort of like voting for a film star several years ago.
Aug 29 2008 4:51PM
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popNfresh44
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its funny how young, inexperienced  obama chose an old, experienced guy, and mccain chose a relatively young, inexperienced female. this is going to be a very close one.
Aug 29 2008 4:51PM
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Shpadoinkle
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So what about the Hillary supporters? What do you think is going to go down with them?
Aug 29 2008 4:55PM
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C-Burg
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Unlike the Messiah and Joe Biden, Palin has a back bone and takes a stand and doesn back down. Give her credit for that even if you dont agree with her opinions or policies. The choosen one and Biden try to appease everyone and seem to always take half stances until they see what everyone likes. Palin ( and McCain to an extent) try to move the electorate towards there position, unlike the Messiah and Biden who move with the electorate and never really take a stand.

Aug 29 2008 4:55PM
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ax_murderer
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Been reading, I think she will be great. Very conservative, and her and McCain make Obama/Biden seem like the same old Washington and them look like change.
Aug 29 2008 4:58PM
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snowbladesforlife
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What's wrong with being a consensus builder by going with the majority of America's needs. Instead they could try to sway the electorate's opinions and beliefs and in the end, actions like the Bush admin did for pushing public opinion towards the Iraq war. Pushing the electorate is almost always the wrong decision in the long term, there is wisdom in crowds.
Aug 29 2008 5:17PM
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med75
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WOW!! I am really surprised how many newschoolers are republicans and McCain supporters. It is one thing if you are old and stuck in your ways but I thought most young people would be able to see past the BullS..... of the republican party and actually truly worried about their future.

Let me guess that you all also still think that Obama is Muslim and that there is something wrong with being muslim. I AM PRETTY DISGUSTED!!!!

Aug 29 2008 5:17PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Get your head out of your ass.
Aug 29 2008 5:21PM
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iggyskier
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Ugh.  Please....just stop.  First off....Palin is running as VP, not president.  Thanks, none of us were aware of that.....

and second, you prove you continue to have no idea what you are talking about and follow what I call the aspenduke-sticks-her-head-in-the-sand-while-she-continues-to-shit-over-all-of-us-with-her-stupid-and-ignorant-comments-that-continue-to-make-her-look-like-one-of-the-most-uneducated-people-in-the-entire-world. 

Palin has served as governor for less than 2 years of the 47th most populous state in the country, and before that all she did was serve as a city council member and then two terms as a mayor of a town of....wait for it...less than 7,000 people.

Obama has been senator of Illinois (the 5th most populous state in the country.....) for 4 years, and before that served on the Illinois state senate from 1997-2004. 

We don't even need to delve any deeper than that.

Govern for 2 years, mayor for 6....

Or senator for 4 years, state senator for 8 years.....hmmmm....I wondering which politican has more experience...

MaCain COMPLETELY threw his main argument against Obama out the window with this pick, particualrly because he is someone whose health has been in question and whose presidencey could very well be taken over by this women....

He cannot sit there now and say that Obama does not have enough experience when he picks Palin as his VP. 
Aug 29 2008 5:25PM
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iggyskier
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4 years in the Senate, with another 8 years in the state senate.  You continue to have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
Aug 29 2008 5:27PM
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Aaaron.
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bingo
Aug 29 2008 5:28PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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You mean kind of like Obama completely threw out his argument that America needs someone who's not a "Washington insider" by picking Biden?  Oh, I understand.


Aug 29 2008 5:29PM
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iggyskier
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Palin = anti-abortion = throws the Hillary supporters away.

Palin is going to pick up votes from moderate republican women who may have voted for Obama, but now may consider otherwise.
Aug 29 2008 5:30PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Alright, let's get one thing straight here....you're a moron.  That is all.



Aug 29 2008 5:30PM
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Ryanvdonk
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pull your head out of yours, her experience is on a state level, which is completely different than national, so that argument is completely useless of excutive vs. senatorial experience. you really just need to shut up, you talk way to much.
Aug 29 2008 5:31PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Oh, please. I'm not the only one in here that's talking about how Obama has no experience compared to Palin.

She still has more executive experience than Obama. You can't throw that out the window.

State Senate is fluff. Like a cloud on a sunny day.



Aug 29 2008 5:34PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Yeah man, because nobody has EVER gone from state government to national.  Completely unheard of.  Riiiight.


Aug 29 2008 5:36PM
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Shpadoinkle
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She is the "president" of AK. Obama is a Senator - Yea or Nay?
Aug 29 2008 5:37PM
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iggyskier
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No, you are not the only one, but you are the one who more than anyone on NS comes out and continues to prove that for the good of humanity you should be locked in a room and forgotten about....

And what...being the mayor of a town of 7,000 is a trial by fire?  give me a break.




Aug 29 2008 5:38PM
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Ryanvdonk
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yeah, but saying that state executive experience is more valuable than senate experience is not right either, which was my point, or do you disagree that being a senator gives you vital experience with national and international issues that one does not get on a state level.
Aug 29 2008 5:42PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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You still haven't addressed the hypocrisy of Obama choosing a Washington insider as VP.

And no, obviously Palin doesn't have much experience, but at least she's in touch with the middle class.  That's clearly a lot more than you can say about McCain.  And as much as Obama would like you to think he's some sort of working man populist, the guy pulled $4.2M last year.

Aug 29 2008 5:42PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Thanks, that's what I think about you too.

That's where she started out. What's the matter with being mayor and then becoming governor?
Aug 29 2008 5:42PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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I would say that being a senator and being a governor can both give you valuable experience in much different ways.  One is not more valuable than the other.  I disagree with Aspen on this.



Aug 29 2008 5:43PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I'm not saying that executive experience is better than being a senator, because they can be equal. But I'd rather have a person who's been a governor for two years for VP than a man who has been a senator for almost four that is running for president. Just go look at his voting record.
Aug 29 2008 5:47PM
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Leo.
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are you STILL trying to make the obnoxious accusation that palin somehow is more experienced than Obama?

first off, palin's entire history is a bachelor of arts in journalism from the university of idaho..............
then, she was mayor of a town with less than 8000 population for about 10 years until she became governor for not even two years yet.

Obama on the other hand got a degree in political science from COLUMBIA university, and then proceeded to graduate second in his class at Harvard Law School.  He has had EIGHT years of experience on the illinois state senate, and is going on FOUR in the senate. 

I do not understand how you can make the argument that Palin has more experience for her position than Obama.
Aug 29 2008 5:49PM
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J.D.
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Biden doesn't even live in Washington. He's known, chiefly, for speaking his mind when it would be politically much safer (and often probably a whole lot smarter) to just shut the hell up. I don't know that he fits the typical washington politician mold. In any case, he was chosen for his foreign policy credentials and because he had a more complete national plan than any of the other people who ran on the Democratic side, with the possible exceptions of Hillary and Bill Richardson.
Aug 29 2008 5:50PM
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iggyskier
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I don't like the Biden choice, but I am also not in the circle of people who think Obama is the end of all candidates.  There are things about him I don't like, including his choice of Biden.  But then again, there wasn't really ANY VP picks who you couldn't on some level make that argument for.

But in the scheme of things, he is the nominee that will far better represent me..

Those who think that he is completely perfect have their head deeper in their asses than aspendukes....actually...naw that ain't possible.

And Palin honestly is not that bad of a person, so this is not an attack on her.  It is commentry on the fact that MaCain has continuiously come out and said over and over Obama does not have the experience to lead, but then he picks someone else with arguably far less political experience than Obama.
Aug 29 2008 5:52PM
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iggyskier
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yeah yeah yeah...I know you are but what am I....

keep it up.  I think you'll graduate kindergarden on of these days....
Aug 29 2008 5:56PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Ok, throw out like the last 6-7 posts because you guys are getting confused.

Palin is not running for president, she is running for VP for McCain. (Don't ride on McCain's age.)
Obama has almost four years experience in the US Senate, but he is running for president.
In my eyes they probably have the same amount of experience, but in different areas. I just think that a person with only 4 years in the US Senate is not fit YET for president.
Aug 29 2008 5:56PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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J.D., first of all, I know you don't seriously think that living in Delaware makes you not a "Washington insider" when you've been a senator for 3+ decades.  Come on.  Seriously.

Secondly, Biden's also known as being a bit of a closet racist (see his 7-11 comments and his "complement" to Obama last year) and as far as foreign policy goes, yeah, he has experience.  But you know what?  Bush has lots of experience running the country, does that make him good at it?  Biden voted for the Iraq war and then against the surge.  He backed the idiotic "3-state" solution in Iraq.  Earlier this year, he was still backing a no-fly zone in Darfur, which would have been a great solution....in 2003.  So do you REALLY respect his "foreign policy credentials"?
Aug 29 2008 5:56PM
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funk.
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hahah.. hah. Hah!  she's in for some trouble then..
Aug 29 2008 6:01PM
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iggyskier
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ugh...

ok.  Walking through this slowly so you can understand.

MaCain is old.  He has had a lot of health issues.  He is running for president.  Palin as his VP.  Is it possible that he would die during his presidency?  Sure, more so that someone who is 25 years younger for sure.

If he dies....who becomes president?  (still following).

The VP.

So when a old, frail, candidate with his health in question picks a VP with very little experience, there is a definite concern that if he happens to die....that we will be left with someone with very little experience running the country...which is exactly what he is using as his main argument against Obama.

Does this makes sense at least?



Aug 29 2008 6:03PM
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J.D.
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Firstly, I'm trying to point out that he doesn't fit the stereotype of that "washington insider" everyone's so concerned about. Secondly, please, don't throw any credibility you might have accrued in this thread away by inferring that Biden is secretly a racist because he speaks without thinking. When you talk that much, on the record, you're going to slip up sometime. Thirdly, you're comparing Biden to Bush? Who the hell has voted with Bush 90% of the time since 07 and 95% in 2008? Come on. Fourthly, it's not a "three-state" plan so much as a regional one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/23/AR2006082301419.html
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"This plan is consistent with Iraq's constitution, which already provides for the country's 18 provinces to join together in regions, with their own security forces and control over most day-to-day issues. This plan is the only idea on the table for dealing with the militias, which are likely to retreat to their respective regions instead of engaging in acts of violence. This plan is consistent with a strong central government that has clearly defined responsibilities. Indeed, it provides an agenda for that government, whose mere existence will not end sectarian violence. This plan is not partition -- in fact, it may be the only way to prevent violent partition and preserve a unified Iraq.

To be sure, this plan presents real challenges, especially with regard to large cities with mixed populations. We would maintain Baghdad as a federal city, belonging to no one region. And we would require international peacekeepers for other mixed cities to support local security forces and further protect minorities. The example of Bosnia is illustrative, if not totally analogous. Ten years ago, Bosnia was being torn apart by ethnic cleansing. The United States stepped in decisively with the Dayton Accords to keep the country whole by, paradoxically, dividing it into ethnic federations. We even allowed Muslims, Croats and Serbs to retain separate armies. With the help of U.S. troops and others, Bosnians have lived a decade in peace. Now they are strengthening their central government and disbanding their separate armies."

I do respect his credentials and note that he has a deeper understanding of the politics of the region than McCain (see repeated Sunni - Shiite confusion there). I still prefer Bill Richardson, but from where I sit, Joe has a good head on his shoulders.

Aug 29 2008 6:07PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Of course she's against abortion. She knew that her son (who is now 5-7 months old?) was mentally retarded when she was still pregnant. They said that she should get an abortion, but she didn't. She has strong family values. I think she's gonna get a lot of female voter support.

Anywho...I don't know my stance on abortion. If I got pregnant I don't know what I would do, so I'm not going to talk about it.
Aug 29 2008 6:07PM
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J.D.
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Well, it didn't take long for the first salvo to come out...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/palin-mccain-vp.html

"... Questions have now arisen over whether Palin used her office to try and fire her ex -brother-in-law from a state trooper's position. Palin asserts the charge is untrue, but the Alaska Senate this week approved the hiring of an independent investigator to look into the allegation."

Minor scandal = good appetizer.


Aug 29 2008 6:09PM
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funk.
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I think there is a piece of the puzzle that we are missing still.  When do ballots get printed? it has to be after the conventions are over which means there would still be time for some type of candidate swap.  Mccain might just have a heart attack or become too inept for the task due to his Alzheimer's.  Even after ballots are printed, what happens if him and Palin just switch spots? people would still know who to vote for.  I think something has to happen before presidential debates.. Mccain would never be able to hold his own there.  Sadly not a heck of a lot of people watch them.
Aug 29 2008 6:10PM
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iggyskier
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Richardson was who I wanted to VP for sure...
Aug 29 2008 6:10PM
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J.D.
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I think it came down first to a demographics issue (appeal to white working class people / hillary supporters) and second to who they felt would likely mop the floor in a debate. Joe is also more useful for hit jobs. Like that guy said earlier, political choice. And I'm not going to dispute that that's how these picks are often made, but come on, don't throw the whole thing completely. If Obama were assassinated, Biden would make a competent potus, even if you disagree with him. I have no reason to think Palin is even qualified to work as senior staff, much less behind the big desk.
Aug 29 2008 6:14PM
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Leo.
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or because...you were wrong in saying that
Aug 29 2008 6:15PM
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user098123
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Ya, her as president seriously scares me. I feel like McCain made a pretty big mistake with his decision. It would have been fine had she just been staying in the VP position and McCain was a younger, more fit man. However, with the questions of McCain's health I find it way to risky to have her as a VP candidate.
Aug 29 2008 6:18PM
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Shpadoinkle
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I knew what you were getting at from the very beginning, and I've been responding to it from the very beginning. So what if McCain has health problems. Obama could be assassinated. You could die choking on a pretzel. I could die from being struck by lightening. So I shouldn't vote for McCain because he has health problems?

I admit, McCain was never my first choice. It was actually Romney, but I'm glad he picked her - I like her.

I'd rather have a more experienced state senator for president than one who has only been a state senator for almost four years.
Aug 29 2008 6:19PM
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user098123
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While this may be true, he has statistics working against him. Sure Obama could be assassinated, but the chance of that happening is very small. The chance of something health related happening to McCain (especially with his previous fights against cancer) is much much greater and has a much greater chance of being fatal.
Aug 29 2008 6:22PM
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iggyskier
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not at all.  The point being that because he has health problems many, including myself, are surprised he picked someone with such little experience.
Aug 29 2008 6:24PM
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Shpadoinkle
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So people who have cancer shouldn't run for president?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I still would vote for her as president (if she were running) over Obama.
Aug 29 2008 6:28PM
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user098123
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Which is perfectly fine, you're entitled to do so. You just seem to be vastly missing the points everyone in this thread is making. I'm glad you only have 1 vote.
Aug 29 2008 6:30PM
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Shpadoinkle
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Exactly what points have I missed? I don't agree with those points is what it is.

Aug 29 2008 6:33PM
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