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Racers = sick jibbers?

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ben-jamm-in
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So I've had this argument several times with my racer friends, and it's that racers can easily be better jibbers/park riders than most dedicated free skiers.  Then they take it to the next level, and claim that we spend way too much time on dumb little jibs and shit, and that they could own you on the rest of the mtn any time.  They claim that if D. Rhalves wanted to ski park, he would absolutely have no competition.  This makes me laugh, because whenever I see any racers in the park, all I ever see them do is steezless T'd out sevens and then glance over at you like "what!"  Then there's Jon who has dominated some World Cup Races, and whenever that's brought up, the racers are like, "well he's one of a kind."  Not to bash racers too hard, i mean if that's what you're into then cool, but there's just no respect.  

Now I know that many free skiers started out as racers or freestylers, and decided it wasn't for them, but what do you guys think?  Do all racers have the right to claim superiority?

Aug 27 2008 11:12PM
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cobra_commander
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tell them that Daron Ralves or whatever is name is one of a kind as well. Or just realize that people who grew up racing are generally going to be way better skiers then people who learned to ski in the park.
Aug 27 2008 11:14PM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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no because freeskiing, like racing, takes time and practice. maybe some peepl can grind their first try, wow, but the thing is no racer can 450 on, 360 switchup (insert other trick here) like pros can.
Aug 27 2008 11:16PM
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schlopy
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trust me is a pointless argument. haha. everyone know freeriders pwn the racers.
Aug 27 2008 11:19PM
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smooticus
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Dude olson grew up racing.

And yea racing makes you a better skier, no doubt. 

Its because racing forces you to train hard and become more comfortable,

Personally i can tell when skiers have raced becuase they ski more athletically
Aug 27 2008 11:36PM
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smooticus
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Sorry for the thread rape, but thats a pretty dumb thing to say considering all the really good skiers had racing experience, Like morrison, pollard, carlson, and a shit ton more
Aug 27 2008 11:39PM
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Balto
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all the racers i know have 0 style. its all pencil 3s and no rails at all. o and spandex
Aug 27 2008 11:42PM
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ben-jamm-in
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I'm not doubting that racing makes you a more solid skier, and yeah that's obvious from all the pros who started racing, but that just seems to give all racers the idea that they are simply superior in all aspects of skiing.  
Aug 27 2008 11:45PM
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schlopy
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Aug 27 2008 11:46PM
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miketheskier88
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Used to be hate between boarders and skiers.. now its park skiers vs racer skiers. Enough hate! Let people ski how they want to... as long as I get first tracks.
Aug 27 2008 11:48PM
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skiRay
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i raced.. DEFFIDENTALY helped my tree, mogul, and gorromer skiing.. i wouldnt be as good as i am now without 3 years of racing... as far as park skiing, i guess it helped a little with ballance. maybe.
Aug 27 2008 11:52PM
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Jballz
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my friend colter who is a racer, is the best park skier i have ever seen, going am with nordica next season. my friend alex can 450 on and off, my friend eric can cork 7 off 50foot cliffs and cab 9s in the park(they are all racers) what im saying is that the reason why most racer are better at park that park skiers is that racers get more practice at it.
but i dont know where the park rat vs racer thing started. i dont hate park rats, no one on my team does, and when we aren't training most of us are in the park anyway or dropping cliffs in the pow
Aug 27 2008 11:56PM
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ski_cartel
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i think it was tanner hall that said "put me in the gates and I'll get to the bottom, I might not be fast but Il make it, put a racer into the pipe and they wont even go"
Aug 28 2008 12:00AM
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ben-jamm-in
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How do racers get more practice at it than park skiers, if half the time they are racing?

Aug 28 2008 12:00AM
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Jballz
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where i race we free ski monday through thursday, and train thursday afternoon through sunday, thats how
Aug 28 2008 12:03AM
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Balto
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maybe one of the best thing I have ever heard out of tanner
Aug 28 2008 12:07AM
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phishfood
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ima racer so suck it


k my view on this beaten to death topic is that, yes, racers do usually make better all around skiers than people who grow up skiing invaders in the park. better in pow and trees and groomers and what not. however, most of park skiing isn't really skill, its mostly commitment and experience (comitting to that backflip and not thinking about underrotating, ect)...and racing doesn't really give you and experience about committing to a spin/flip or whatever. so racers aren't usually better park skiers than normal.
either way, i've seen plenty of racers who tear up the park and park skiers who can bomb race courses...

now MOLGUL skiing is a whole different story...mogul skiing gives u experience in the air and doing terrain like racing... so thats kinda the best of both worlds. unfountinatly it also rapes your knees, so you end up sucking at both after a while


Aug 28 2008 12:11AM
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ben-jamm-in
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And I ski nearly everyday, half the time in the park, half the time on the rest of the mtn.  No race training...  But I'm not trying to say racers should stay out of the park, they definetly should come and ski whatever they want whenever they want, and I'm not trying to start an argument about who skis park more.  So peace JBallz.
Aug 28 2008 12:12AM
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Jballz
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ok. peace
Aug 28 2008 12:15AM
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birdshake
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I have to admit I am a pretty damn good all mountain skier and Ive never had any racing background ever
Im not amazing in the park but Im not terrible either.





Aug 28 2008 12:19AM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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no im not saying racing isnt a good background, its just the so mentioned racer at the top couldnt just stroll into the park, take a few laps (or even days) and show up pros.
Aug 28 2008 12:35AM
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jsaya_SagStraps
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D. Rhalves
Aug 28 2008 12:37AM
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VCharette
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^my bullshit-o-meter is going wild
Aug 28 2008 1:00AM
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DDrem.
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i always challenge the racers at my hill to a race switch
they never step up
Aug 28 2008 1:09AM
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WhoWantIt
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I hated racing but there is no doubt it makes you a better skier. And you can tell when someone did race because they are more comfortable and athletic on their skis. And if I were teaching my kid or friend to become a good skier, I would tell them to start out racing. Racing teaches you fundamentals like edge control and dealing with high speeds. You can't be a good skier by learning to ski in the park.
Aug 28 2008 1:09AM
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smooticus
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oh,, yea for sure.


Aug 28 2008 1:19AM
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kko
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i totally agree with this. i raced for 9 years and it improved my skiing so much even though i hated racing. im just starting to get into the park and im learning pretty fast.  i dont know if i think that people who race are any better or worse in park.. but i think that it definately improves your confidence and ability to control your skis in any environment.

Aug 28 2008 1:22AM
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C.Harris
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fuck it no racer that spends all his time there is going to destroy a park skier anyday of the week hands down (claim)
Aug 28 2008 1:29AM
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VCharette
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racing makes you a better skier than just skiing in the park there's no doubt, but why would you want to be a good skier if you dont like to ski "normaly" i mean who cares if you're a good skier or not as long as you're having fun and i dont see how racing will make you a better skier that doesn't make sens... you get better by skiing in the park a lot, not by going fast trough gates

Aug 28 2008 12:58PM
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SirFryanator
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nah dude we have kids here like that who barely ski park since my home mtn has no park. Timeline: a few years of racing --> freeskiing in the backcountry 24/7 --> buying passes to other mountains with parks (in chronological order). there are kids who can cork 10 here in the park and cork 7 off cliffs...we wouldn't have progressed so fast in the park and in tricks if we didn't race
Aug 28 2008 1:10PM
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wh@t
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he means racers that are solely racers and have never skied park. not ex-racers that now freeski.
Aug 28 2008 1:11PM
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80*s4eva
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Its not the going fast through gates that makes you a better skier its the hours spent on edging and balance drills.  You're ignorant.
Aug 28 2008 2:17PM
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SirFryanator
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well gates also help you with your ability to get on edge and carve whenever, wherever. I thought gates and gate training down steep hills was the best thing for my skiing, ever.
Aug 28 2008 2:22PM
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VCharette
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spending hours on edging and balancing drills wont help you do a fucking cork 9 or a preztel its just by practicing these moves that you get better and yeah balancing drills will sure help you on rails but you had spent these hours doing rails instead of balancing drills... thats what i think but you know i'm ignorant

Aug 28 2008 2:26PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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The syntax error horse?
Aug 28 2008 2:34PM
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Franny
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If they are really racers that go super fast than yeah they would be sick. That means they have huge balls to try shit in the park.
Aug 28 2008 2:37PM
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skifiend
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we are all skiers.  period.  once you get older and realize that stupid arguments like this get you/us no where!  it's like comparing skiers and snowboarders, east coast vs west coast, blacks vs whites, christians vs muslims...it's all pointless.
Aug 28 2008 2:45PM
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ColbyV
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alright this is the deal (for the most part): Racers are only good on groomers and steeps/ Park Rats are only good in the park/ Mogul Skiers are best at moguls but decent everywhere else, imo mogul skiers are the best all around, then racers, then park rats
Aug 28 2008 2:52PM
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VCharette
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^yeah that makes sens only that moguls skiers have no steez in the park (i mean they spin pretty pencil style, but that's how they do it)
Aug 28 2008 2:57PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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errrrrrrrr some of yhour most all time favorite jibbers and park extremists are from the mogul scene.
Aug 28 2008 3:01PM
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morocco_mole
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who has footage of ralves jibbing, i want to see it.  racers at mt hood are fucking faggots btw
Aug 28 2008 3:26PM
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cool.
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this is a never ending fuckin argument
Aug 28 2008 3:35PM
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860
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last time i checked you cant race on a rail or in the air. So no
Aug 28 2008 4:03PM
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RuffRydrz
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There is a reason i quit racing...cause it was not fun...however i will concede that it made me a better skier.
Aug 28 2008 4:07PM
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quebecfreestyler
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Jon didnt win a world cup race.. he won some fis sanctionned comps.
Aug 28 2008 4:10PM
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SirFryanator
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oh come on going way fast down a corduroy slope and making bigggg GS turns is so fun
Aug 28 2008 4:14PM
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RuffRydrz
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It made me a better SKIIER...not park rider...my skiing skills improved. Live and let live and ride for fun weather its park, racing, bc, moguls, snowlerblading, snowboarding
Aug 28 2008 4:19PM
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CT_CREW
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alot of you guys on here need to do some research and find out where skiing came from, how it progressed, and what the spirit of it was all about.

Aug 28 2008 7:45PM
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skiingonskis
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probably one of the smartest replies ever...just make it simple and think about it.  racing made me a better skier, but so did every other day that ive skied...its simple, the harder you work, the better you sill be, whether it be through racing or just sucking up and learning how to ski before getting into the park.
Aug 28 2008 7:55PM
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schlopy
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funny cause my friend at school claimed the same thing then i watched his team video's of them freeriding and it was fucking comical. Yeah they did the tricks, but damn you could tell they weren't freeriders and he was talking all the freeriders down like my team can school the freeriders. FUNNY
Aug 28 2008 7:56PM
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