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who's pushing innovation, or not, and who should be?

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Kasanovah
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who really is now anyways? I mean you get your small ski improvements here and there but that's nothin too special. Give the ski a little more pop, a little more control, w/e, I'm talkin like the new innovations.

I'll give props Rossi for the slant sidewall idea,
and to K2 for the extra thick edges for durability, and especially to the late season release 'fugative' (if the rumours are true) that will have flex points in front and behind foot for easy manuals,
and of course salomon for making the second tip way back when i was just a youngin,
and especially Line, even though they got nothin yet, their intent is in the right direction with the pivogy binding, four-hole pattern, the recent post about the removable piece underfoot (true or not I don't know), and the first to really have interesting graphics.

But what the hell has salomon come up with in the last few years, nothing special as far as I'm concerned. they're one of the richest ski manufacturers out there, I would expect more from someone like that.
and of dynastar? sure I hear the troublemaker is a sick ski with mad pop, but they've never come out with anything groundbraking as far as I know, (if I don't know something feel free to mention it) They don't even make anything else, at least Salomon can claim they have a huge industry to cover and produce for, but dynastar is basicaly just skis, what else do they have to innovate for??
4front and Armada are just new and i hear the product is pretty good so you can't put anything on them yet, it wouldn't be fair.

But I could mention the rest of them doin nothin much as well like volkl, head, atomic, etc, but you all get the point. My question is, who should you support in a growing industry like ours? Sure some companies have good products, but I'd like to see the money into the companies that are really trying to progress our sport. Does anyone know of anything new coming out from any of the names I ripped on? (Just some stuff I was wondering about that I thought would make a good topic)



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Oct 27 2003 1:13PM
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flatspinner
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although they may seem like just subtle improvements, they are actually not so subtle. increasing the rigidity of the ski, makes it more solid on groomers, having springbands (troublemaker, 1260s) isn't subtle at all. however there are a lot of minor improvements or adjustments made to skis every year, but they make a huge difference if you knew what did what. Dynastar makes good, solid skis. 4FRNT has adopted more of a snowboard type construction to their skis and I'm sure it's gonna rock. Some brilliant people think of these things and they should get credit even if it's nothing revolutionary.



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Oct 27 2003 1:27PM
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Kasanovah
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true enough, i was thinking about that just after I posted.
I mean a ski that rode like shit, but had thick edges, four-hole pattern, cool graphics, slant sidewalls and flex points for manuals would still be a piece of shit ski if it didn't ride well.
What innovations are new this year that i didn't mention?
and does anyone know why/what makes the troublemaker such a well reputed ski?
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Oct 27 2003 1:34PM
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DBskier
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You want to see some innovative skis, check out DBskis.com. Carbon fiber, snowboard edges, kevlar bases, custom flexes and graphics, and 40% lighter than traditional skis. Pricey, but they are made by skiers that voiced the same concerns you do, and should be worth it in the long run due to their incredible durability.
Dec 14 2003 8:40PM
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gambino500014
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salomon is comming out with 2 pro models. the candide and Cr pros
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Dec 14 2003 8:51PM
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Ski-hobo
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McConkey and the spatulas



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Dec 14 2003 8:55PM
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tan
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those were just weird


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Dec 14 2003 9:22PM
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ECfreeski3
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i don;t mean to be a dick, but there is no point in just making something new and huge for no reason. are you saying you want gimmicks?


'you should probably get bindings or it will be hard to stay on your skis...don't get gloves tho, gloves are out. just use a cigarette to keep your hands warm' -221
Dec 15 2003 4:13PM
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d-mold
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There is a prototype right now of the Skogen's that if it get in production is going to progress the sport or at least the technology.
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Dec 15 2003 4:25PM
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Knewnews
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^ yeah if line can produce with one of their idea's they could really make some sweet ski gear... the binding sounded good but once it got a bad rep. on here it was done...
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Dec 15 2003 7:33PM
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ECfreeski3
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yeah j. lev was telling me next year is gonna be a big year for line, he said next year's MN Pro's (the last one) is gonna be crazy....


'you should probably get bindings or it will be hard to stay on your skis...don't get gloves tho, gloves are out. just use a cigarette to keep your hands warm' -221
Dec 15 2003 7:38PM
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