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Best Military in the world?

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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Who would you pick, Obviously the USA is a very big force, but if they were a smaller country with less people, how would they fair? Canada is said to have the best snipers in the world and the Brits have a very highly trained Navy Army and airforce, tje most highly trained in the world infact. Russia have brute force and Australia seem to pussy out alot of the time. Anyone have any idea?

Aug 24 2008 7:40AM
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ValPow
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America, Fuck No

They sent missiles towards the middle of baghdad and ended up missing iraq all together, they are almost laughable

Aug 25 2008 11:31AM
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GhostfaceKillah
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Israel is pretty much the right hand of the US overseas.... so whatever technology they have was more than likely developed by the US and handed over to Israel.
Aug 25 2008 12:05PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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The Israelis do buy a good deal of US equipment, but when they do they almost always improve it significantly.  And they develop a lot of their own technology aside from that too.

Aug 25 2008 12:55PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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The F-35 is NOT an "upgraded F-22."  Also, the JSF isn't anywhere close to operational capability yet and the F-22 has yet to see combat itself.


Aug 25 2008 12:58PM
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Boodje.
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Aug 25 2008 1:58PM
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Kazabazua
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well it is pretty easy not to shoot 7 people wearing GREEN in the middle of the desert
Aug 25 2008 4:10PM
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martin.
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just proves the supremacy of the US military over the canadian military.




THAT WAS A JOKE
Aug 25 2008 4:18PM
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TheWorst
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cool man, i dont want you to like me
Aug 25 2008 4:40PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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oh boy here we go again!

OK lets settle this once and for all THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS BY FAR THE BEST MILITARY ON EARTH. I'm not talking about size per se, i'm talking about money, tech, TRAINING, logistics, genetics, and mobility.

Lets start out with ground troops. No base level infantry in the world compares to the Marine Corps. Far and above the USMC has the best first level soldiers. Not only do they undergo some of the newest and most intensive training in the world, but they are very well equipped for an average soldier.

A USMC private currently serving these days gets the following: MARPAT cammies (developed in Natick MA), K-pot helmet, some form of MOLLE vest from the MLCS, USMC issue boots, and a m4 equipped with RIS, aimpoint, and surefire.

Next we have special operational soldiers. When you think of the world's elite SAS, Moussad, SEALs, SFOD-D (CAG; "Delta Force"), COD (Green Berets), Marine Force Recon come to mind. The thing to keep in mind here is that every last country who is a member of NATO employs the UNITED STATES' USSOCOM training. Our own training is always currently updated so really SAS is a 2 or 3 year old version of our Air Force TACP (tactical air control party). Certain forts such as Fort Bragg contain some oft he most state of the art training facilities.

And don't even try to argue that any armed forces training compares to SFOD, SEAL, or CIA's SAD training. If you want to know what SEAL training is like i reccomend reading the book, Lone Survivor. SFOD training is absolutely ridiculous. Look up some youtube videos of them. Search "Delta Force". Now CIA's SAD division's training is actually classified. They run some super weird psycho-physical program in an area they call the "Farm". This was fictionally portrayed in the movie with collin ferrel and al pacino. But the Farm is a real place.

Next we have equipment. Lets not even discuss non NATO countries as currently they are all really really under powered. So that said, all NATO countries right now have a standard IBA vest as their top tier body armor with the exception of the US. The US is in full wartime right now and has companies such as Eagle Industries, Allied Forces, etc manufacturing the MLCS. I don't want to list every piece of equipment in there but you can google it. More over, NATO countries all must use the 5.56 mm round as their standard infantry ammunition. Their magazines must all fit a m16 rifle or m4's mag well. Granted the UK uses the l-85, the french use the FAMAS, and the Canadians use the colt canada version of the m-16 the "C-17", but all those rifles are attempted copies of the m4. The m4 is the tried and true and with so many new variations such as the mk18 and cqbrs, our weapons are without a doubt top of the line.

Next i will post about vehicles but its time to get drunk.
Aug 25 2008 5:03PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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very impressive jefferson davis but lemme clarify. The SAS GSG9 do not even touch Delta. We know who SAS and GSG9 soldiers are. Delta is the most secretive sons of bitches ever. Delta isn't even their real name. They are SFOD-D (alledgedly). No one knows who the fuck they are or what the fuck they are doing. In fact, they dont even wear US sanctioned camouflage. I have a satellite image of 3 SFOD-D guys wearing Crye Multicam not 3 color desert in iraq. Also they can pretty much carry whatever gun they want and they carry a lot of knights armament m16s and such.

Also Royal Marines are comparable with Army Rangers yes, but not Army Rangers 75th regiment. The 75th Regiment is like a completely different dispatch of the Rangers and are the ones you see in blackhawk down. They are members of SOCOM.
Aug 25 2008 5:09PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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exactly. No one has even mentioned SBS yet. (it is SBS right? Special Boat Service as opposed to Special Air Service?). Anyway, to my knowledge SBS and SAS activites are fully documented and unclassfied. Tehy are good but dont even hold a candle to COD SFODD SEALs and CIA SAD.
Aug 25 2008 5:12PM
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Dirty-Jersey
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what about canadians. they have good aim.
Aug 25 2008 5:12PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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dont even get me started on snipers. If you took the average sniper from each country the US would probably lose. But we have more elite snipers than you guys have total snipers so it wouldnt matter. You guys have no idea what SEAL, SFG, SFOD, and MEU/MFR snipers are capable. In fact, neither do i! You know why? cuz you cant see them! Every NATO countries snipers training is based off our sniper training. Not to mention we have superior spotting skills, concealment skills, and windage/elevation judgement. We have guns that are now computer assisted to measure how many clicks left/right up/down to adjust the scope. We can snipe up to 3000 meters away now. At that distance you actually have to factor in both the earth's curve, and its rotation. No other country in the world has that range yet. Do you know why? Because they dont even have the guns to do so. We have m24s, the new m21s with the SAGE kit, m82s, etc.
Aug 25 2008 5:18PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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I know some people that would beg to differ with that...such as the Marine Corps.  The Air Force soaks up a huge majority of US defense spending and wastes it on golf courses and bureaucracy.  The Marines don't get nearly the funding they deserve.

That said, I stand by my statement that the US Department of the Navy could defeat almost any military on earth without any other support.

Aug 25 2008 5:18PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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yes they dont get the funding they deserve but they get it much better than regular army guys. some army guys don't even have body armor yet and the others are running around with IBAs and shit i can buy off ebay. Marines at the least get releasable MOLLE vests, over PACA soft armors, nice goggles, cool knives, knee pads, and sweet belts. Army guys get shit.

I completely 100% agree with your second statement. You're including Marine corps in the USDN? either way it stands true.
Aug 25 2008 5:20PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Absolutely.  Navy-Marine team all the way.


Aug 25 2008 5:22PM
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TeamJones
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Bureaucracy, yes.  This is the US gov.t we're talking about.  But the Air Force has a lot more than the planes we know about that they are spending money on.  Other than com sats the other branches use, space is the AF's territory.  My dad is working on an experimental sat for the AF (I think it's technically for DARPA, but AF is handling it) worth hundreds of millions.  When/if they start making operation sats it will be worth billions.  And that's just one satellite.
Aug 25 2008 5:29PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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I was talking more about this kind of thing: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071703161.html

As a member of one of the other branches of the US military...well, let's just say the rest of us generally aren't too fond of the chair force.


Aug 25 2008 5:45PM
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Inbred_Redneck
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I have to agree with Allen here, the M-16/M-4 variants are all outdated weapons. Their attachments may be new, but the weapon itself is not. The U.S. Marines and Army both need to bring in a newer standard infantry rifle. Theres a reason why the special forces don't use the M-16/M-4 and the MP5 anymore. Heckler and Koch (sp), Sig Firearms, and FN Herstal are all making more advanced firearms.
Aug 25 2008 6:44PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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no they arent. The m16/m4 system is better than ever. CQBRS and mk18s with RIS/RAS and butt loads of accessories are still the way to go. There are some onepiece uppers for them now too. they kick ass. The m4 is so much more customizable than the m8. The m7 is a piece of shit and will never get implemented. Ppl think the m8 is cool cuz it can be CQB, sniper, and mid range but so can m4s...... Most seals carry a single lower, and a 10.5" barrel along with a 16" barrel that automatically converts it into a dmr.

heckler and koch are all right. They kind of failed the mk23 program for the new .45 acps. mp5s are old. idk theyre all right. much ado about notihng in my opinion.

but long story short, the new gen m4s are def top of the line 5.56x.223 wise.
Aug 25 2008 6:47PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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all special forces still use the m-4 and mainly the m4. they use the new cqbr 10.5" barrels and mk18s. improvements included improved gas system with larger, cleaner gas ports, shorter barrel but with a more powerful gas block, etc.

Sig arms already makes the SEAL pistol (p226) but im a fan of the tried and true colt .45. The Marine Expiditionary Unit and Force recon have their own version in the MARSOC and MEUSOC etc. LA Swat uses a Kimber Custom too (beefed up colt .45). All delta guys still use colt .45s. The .45 round is still better than 9mm as long as its reliable. I think interchangibility of mags is the most important thing right now. Theres no real problem in reliability in americas weapons and theres really no need to update any of them.
Aug 25 2008 6:50PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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oh and FN herstal (fabrique nationale?) sucks penis. The only good gun theyve ever made is the m249. other than that they make jack shit. They made the FAMAS right? is the p90 made by them? all ugly. oh and the dudes that guard the white house use p90s apparently. just a fun fact.
Aug 25 2008 6:51PM
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Dustin.
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The F-22 has been operational for 2 years and the JSF is not the F-35A.  JSF was a program to develop a specialized fighter for different missions (the A, B, and C).  Each one is a totally different plane.  But whatever, I've only trained in the simulator.  I guess I might know something about the plane.

Aug 25 2008 11:04PM
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Dustin.
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The standard M-16 is a piece of shit.  M-4 is good.
Aug 25 2008 11:06PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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wait to clarify the JSF pertains to all f-35s right? That means the air force one the jump jet and the navy one with the big hook?
Aug 25 2008 11:07PM
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Dustin.
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That would be difficult since the Air Force supplies thier intel...and 99% of all military information.  Space is essential to warfare now, and the Air Force is the supplier of that capability.  That's why the budget is huge.  Planes and satellites cost more than guns.
Aug 25 2008 11:08PM
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BULLSEMEN
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I KNOW ALOT ABOUT GUNS AND WAR!



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Aug 25 2008 11:08PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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well no one really uses a plain m-16 anymore when they are deployed to iraq. The existing m16s are SAM-R's if im correct and only the USMC getsem right?
Aug 25 2008 11:11PM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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yea but just think about 10 years ago when there wasn't of that. Most of our enemies militaries dont have air supports and the such so we would still be able to kick ass with only the USN. NSWF has its own UAVs if im correct so im sure theyd be able to collect intel the old fashioned way and still own. They have AWACs and other planes too. Its not like they would suck against china or russia without military satellite help.
Aug 25 2008 11:12PM
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schism
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I;m going with the empire, once they fix that death star they'll be unstoppable.Just  as long as those damn rebels are stopped
Aug 25 2008 11:16PM
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Dustin.
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It doesn't have much at all to do with high school...are you talking about flight school?
Aug 25 2008 11:16PM
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Dustin.
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We have been using this stuff for longer than 10 years...and AWACs aren't spy planes.  It's more like a command and control center for combat operations.  The Navy isn't on the same level as the Air Force when it comes to air superiority.  They have incredible pilots (I don't think either service has the better), but not the same technology.

Aug 25 2008 11:23PM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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Yes, the F-22 is operational.  But, as I said, it has not seen combat.  The thing has never deployed.  The closest it's come to action is intercepting Bears over Alaska.

And the F-35 is the Joint Strike Fighter - A, B, and C.  The purpose of the JSF program is pretty well explained by the name - to develop a single strike fighter for all three branches.  They're not totally different planes; each one is the same airframe, except that the B has STOVL capability and the C has beefed up landing gear and a tailhook for carrier use.  And it's looking more and more like that program is gonna fall apart anyway.  The AF only wants more F-22s, the Navy is looking at buying Block II Super Hornets, and the Marines never get the programs they need (and they desperately need the JSF).

Aug 25 2008 11:32PM
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Dustin.
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Agreed that the Marines needs a new plane, but really since the military is becoming so much more integrated it might not be necessary anymore.
Aug 26 2008 1:17AM
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corona
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my massive dick is the best army in the world.
could crush all those mofos from US, Russia, China and whatever other country you think has firepower
they've obviously never seen me go off.
Aug 26 2008 1:30AM
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NW_Rider
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MARSOC anybody? not to mention anyone that is citing Iraq as an example of what the U.S. military is not capable is not thinking in terms of a real war. We could go through and clear the middle east out in minutes through total warfare but choose not to. The United States spends more money on its military than the rest of the G-8 countries combined. Dogs from hell.
Aug 26 2008 2:06AM
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FUUUCK
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Canada has the best trained regular infantry and snipers.

Israel has the mossad.
Aug 26 2008 2:22AM
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Obsessedwski
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The US would kick ass anyday in a full on war. However, that's only if it's WWIII and all stops have been pulled. They cannot do shit against guerilla tactics, as demonstrated in Iraq and Afganistan. They're military is not designed for that kind of long term, small scale combat.

I don't know and care enough about guns, planes, military and what not to tell or argue what military could, but the US is definately not a candidate.

As said before, the US is by far the strongest in sheer power (technology, support etc.) but wouldn't be able to do jack shit without all their fancy equipment, whether it be not being able to use them to their full potential, or losing them completely. I think this is the biggest flaw in the United States Military, that they don't put enough effort into individual superiority, but rather on superiority as a whole/or their equipment.

I still think Canadians are the best snipers in the world, and it might be a biased opinion because I am Canadian but I think we still hold the record for the longest distance kill?
Aug 26 2008 2:44AM
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josh.
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we do
Aug 26 2008 3:37AM
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Obsessedwski
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chyea
Aug 26 2008 3:41AM
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SKIDUBAIGUY
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Longest documented kill, i bet there have been longer but the sniper had to get on with sniping other people and counldnt walk out into the middle of the battlefield to mesure it.
Aug 26 2008 9:27AM
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Dustin.
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I don't know...we went against a Canadian team during training this summer and they pretty much got pwned.
Aug 26 2008 9:54AM
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Flarestrike
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Skidubaiguy do you know anything about armies in the first place? becasue you seem pretty uninformed...

let's see right now through the coalition invasion of iraq....4147 american soldiers have been killed, most of them ahve been given basic training and are shipped off ot iraq, fatalities include but are not limited to soldiers picking up random, suspicious objects off of the road to taking suspicious/anti-coalition posters down off of walls, basic basic basic mistakes that lead to heavy casualties becasue of stupidness

the british have lost about 23 times less soldiers then the USA...that's only 176, and they are top class military i will give them that, brilliant to say the least.

Now the australians, my own home country have had around 1382 times less soldiers killed then the americans in iraq...this is 2 or 3 soldiers, shows how well they may be trained compared to some others, eh?

although then again america did send in over 200,000 men and women, England did send in around 45000 and Australia did send only around 2000...that's 2% of the american forces killed so far, 0.3 - 0.4% of the british killed so far and around 0.15% of the australian contingent....so even in percentages the americans seem to be doing the worst...even with the "better" technology and such...wait better technology...was that what i said???

Is it not true that a Brisbane based company called Metal Storm (that's in Queensland, Australia) created a weapon capable of firing 1 million bullets per second??? wait that is true...pretty darn facny i do think since this weapon can also be applied wiht mortars and grenades....i'm sure the americans have something like taht!...oh wait they don't...

And btw...who said Australians were cowards??? we were on the front line in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq...was it the americans who were the cowards that did not join in WW1 until 3 years after it had started...or WW2 until 2 years after it ahd started...

we can't forget vietnam either, everyone was on teh frontline in that one...but wait!!! The vietcong one that one...so des this mean they are the greatest army in the world? It's your choice...but personally read more about history instead of stating sensless nonesense becasue you heard it on the news.

As John Mayer said "And when you trust your television
What you get is what you got
Cause when they own the information, oh
They can bend it all they want"


Armies change throughout history, i would not doubt that oneday china may have the wrolds greatest army, tehy have the manpower and the resources to manufacture there artillery and weapons...so why not?



Now i'm not trying to sound all uppity and shiet but get your facts straight first, there's more to an army then jsut weapons and manpower, it's strategy and courage as well...

anyway that's my 2 cents
Aug 26 2008 10:44AM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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youre retarded. snipers know almost exactlyh the range of their targets down to the meter.... before they shoot.
Aug 26 2008 11:01AM
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Flo_Rida_2016
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you are an absolute idiot if you actually think australia has a better military than america. congrats you posted just as much as me but you have demonstrated a very flawed knowledge of anything in regards to military history.

we didnt join either of the world wars due to the monroe doctrine and the fact that we had no intrests in doing so.

also your gun is the single stupidest waste of ammunition ever. theres a reason why we dont have a gun that fires 1 million rounds per minute. it has so much recoil you cant even mount it to a armored hummer or even a tank! it has so much recoil a human cannot fire it. more over, the fact that 1 million super hot shell casings would be ejected into your vehicle would create a fire hazard. And how the fuck would you reload it?

We have mounted automatic grenade launchers... Mk2 and mortars.

dont talk about strategy and courage cuz you have no idea what youre talking about. you know jack shit about military history if you cite examples of guerrila tactics and isolationism as support for tactical inferiority and poor courage, respectively.






Aug 26 2008 11:07AM
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cottonwoodarmada1651
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You're an idiot.



Aug 26 2008 11:37AM
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