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Bloom.
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so i am looking in to creating a legit website. i created a website last year using html code. html is long and annoying. so for you computer gurus what is the most legit code to write a website in? also i heard adobe's dreaweaver is legit and easy to use to right code? is dreamweaver a good choice? any other recomendations thanks guys
Jul 30 2008 2:28PM
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Parker.
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i've used dreamweaver and it's pretty straight forward.  does most of the coding for you, i'd recommend it
Jul 30 2008 2:34PM
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k-rob
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java, and some javascript if you want it flashy. Java is pretty hard to learn though, took me about a month.  i learned javascript in 10 days.
Jul 30 2008 2:41PM
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doublexl
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HTML, CSS, and Javascript are the best. if you use a good CSS page, you wont need to write much HTML. and Java is good fro some apps. but dont use a whole lot on your site.
Jul 30 2008 6:44PM
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k-rob
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if you're down with firefox and you've got greasemonkey, javascript is down with you. otherwise, javascript will probably end up kicking your ass.
Jul 30 2008 10:00PM
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Ender
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listen to him, learn the code. 
Jul 30 2008 10:33PM
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Bloom.
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html sites usually don't look that good.
what code is Newschooelrs.com written in?
Jul 30 2008 10:45PM
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toominator
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dude, do you even know what you're on about?

HTML or XHTML is the basis for all websites.

you can learn PHP to create a dynamic website, but it is still essentially an html site in the end. PHP will generate HTML on the fly depending on the inputs.

CSS is used to control the layout of a site. HTML is used to control the content.

If you want to create a legit site first learn CSS. Once you know CSS you can make changes to the layout and appearance of the site from one file, rather than having to go and change every page on your site. CSS is also far more flexible in terms of layout and appearance. Tables are not needed at all, content can be layered over the top of each other. Each element can be assigned different properties etc.

Newschoolers is written using CSS, JavaScript, HTML and probably PHP and MySQL. Although PHP could be replaced by some other script like pearl or python. MySQL could be replaced by another database system.
Jul 31 2008 12:45AM
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k-rob
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mmm, Java is rapidly replacing HTML.
Jul 31 2008 12:48AM
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toominator
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most web browsers require plugins for java. javascript is different, it enables dynamic functions, but many people have javascript disabled - thats why there is a move toward serverside scripts handling things such as form verification.
Jul 31 2008 12:57AM
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k-rob
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firefox comes loaded with java, and firefox updates whenever java updates. javascript is pretty tricky, easy to mess up on. sites that use a lot of javascript are really easy to crack, people always leave holes in the code.
i'm just recommending Java because it's more powerful than HTML.
Jul 31 2008 1:06AM
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freezed
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haha. that's interesting. I wasn't aware an object-oriented programming language could directly replace a markup language.

seriously though, HTML (including XML and XHTML) IS the internet. any website you go to, anything with http:// in front of it, is built on html. even if it has flash, javascript, whatever.
Jul 31 2008 2:28AM
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k-rob
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well you are now.
Jul 31 2008 2:31AM
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freezed
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Jul 31 2008 2:38AM
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k-rob
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hahahaha, +karma
k i'm not sure if you're getting what i'm saying or not, so i'll give you a brief explanation.
websites now run more like programs than they did when HTML was invented. it's not your simple, "hey look at me i have a website check it out guys" business anymore. sure HTML is the base for every website you've visited, but that doesn't mean that the rest of it can't just be one big "program". start with HTML, then pack it with Java, javascript, python, etc. and you've got one hell of a site. besides the fact that you have a lot more possibilities if you work with Java than if you work with CSS or HTML. give it 5 years, everybody will be sick of IE (due to a lawsuit between Sun and Microsoft, IE doesn't use Java).
that's besides the fact that it's harder to crack a website coded in Java than it is to crack HTML.
sorry if this makes no sense to you, i'm a huge nerd and a whitehat hacker (when i'm in the mood for lulz). 

Jul 31 2008 2:50AM
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freezed
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no one is going to be using Java for web development in 4 years. even if what you say happens (people switching more content to java stuff rather than just HTML/CSS), which i don't believe it will for various reasons, people will be using ASP.NET or python to do that stuff.
Jul 31 2008 3:04AM
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k-rob
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ASP is a good call, python not so much. too easy to crack.
Jul 31 2008 4:00AM
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[BRI]noceros
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dude talk to "ncusa367" he's a friend of mine and he's sick at web designing. he can help you out w/ that
Jul 31 2008 10:39AM
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