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If you can ski Moguls, You can ski ANYTHING

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GreatWhiteNorth
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Looking at all of the kids learning how to "freeride ski" (or however you want to say it) today , i realize that myself, and others my age are the last generation of skiers who started off in the Bumps, and man am i glad that i did. When i look at all of the up and coming park skiers now, they aren't just learning tricks in the park, they are learning how to ski in the park aswell. Half the kids i see slay park these days couldn't make the first turn on a steep pow line let alone do the first section of a Bump course. Mogul skiing allows a skier to rip anything on the mountain and it is such a good way to teach kids how to be comfortable on there skis, edging, air awareness, everything you need to become a good overall skier. just look at all the former moguls skiers ripping all aspects of the sport (Tanner being the obvious example) but Seth used to be a mogul skier to as well as J.P, Julien, Vinnie D, Riddle, Hayward, Henitiuk... the list goes on and on. Looking back at how much i hated skiing the mogul line right next to the park, I am so glad i stuck to it for as long as i did because it opens up so many more opportunities for a skier. Instead of just being able to rip the park, you have the whole mountain in-front of you and you can appreciate all aspects of it.
Jul 29 2008 3:31PM
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3mania
Posts: 2628 - Karma: 10,542
I'll help you start Jon Olsen, Jeremy Nobis, Sage Cattibriga alosa, Seth Morrison, Scott Smidt, and McConkey started as a racer before switching over to the Pro Mogul Tour in the 90's. Not quite as impressive as the first list now is it.
Aug 5 2008 2:14AM
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TWoods
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haha i hate to quote someone from the first page but... hahahaha



Aug 5 2008 2:19AM
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gregor
Posts: 1069 - Karma: 83
I have represented my country in ski racing.  I have never had formal bumps training but am still national university champion. claim!

I promise you that race training makes you technically a better skier in more types of skiing.
Aug 5 2008 5:40AM
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brandon_
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kk, sorry for bringing this thread back i guess ahah

BUT   i just started mogul skiing hsave skied park for 2 years ( just started  2 years ago ) and i thoguiht iwas getting preety good could do basic tricks and what not ,  but once i started mogulks i relised how WRONG i was going everything ....     if you wunna get real good in park for starting def do moguls it theaces you lots
Jan 13 2009 7:57PM
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KFRADtheLaxBro
Posts: 632 - Karma: 10
No if you can ski on east coast ice you can ski on anything.
Jan 13 2009 8:34PM
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MANDER
Posts: 4017 - Karma: 2,038
i am STILL a mogul skier and it has definatly made me a better skier. unfortunatly, its held me back alot because my coachs only let us in the moguls and i never get to go to the park.
Jan 13 2009 8:36PM
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GreenStezz
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its true, just look at these guys..............




Jan 13 2009 8:38PM
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KFRADtheLaxBro
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No if you can ski the east coast ice you can ski anything.
Jan 13 2009 8:41PM
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MAjibber
Posts: 244 - Karma: 8
fuckin right.

i wish i had raced as when i was younger. i used to snowboard, i really wish i just stuck with skiing and got competitive in racing or moguls. id be much better right now if i had done either one of those.
Jan 13 2009 8:47PM
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bermbuster49
Posts: 7445 - Karma: 90
dont descriminate just because all i have is a mountain with a 1,000 ft verticle with a sick ass park hahah

its all i have =[
Jan 13 2009 9:25PM
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JonathonChandler
Posts: 905 - Karma: 423
fail.
you have to ski to those jumps and rails dont you?
and still "railing" and jumping are just things some people do when they are skiing, just like turning.
and if skiing is when your on snow,
how is racing skiing if you skiing on ice?

one of the stupidest posts i have ever read.

Jan 13 2009 9:42PM
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greenman
Posts: 945 - Karma: 27
ive been skiin moguls competetivley now for 3 years n its help my all around skiing significantly
Jan 13 2009 10:10PM
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Literature
Posts: 13673 - Karma: 3,087
We had so many good times at mogul comps and the shredding that followed.

Moguls taught me to ski technically, and I won't ever outgrow most of it.
Jan 13 2009 10:22PM
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Pinguu
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I have never had the ability to ski any race skiing or moguls.  I started 2 yrs ago and learned to ski in the park, I have never had a lesson either.  But I think that I have the ability to get out of the park and ski everything.  I get out of the park and work on my actual skiing technique a lot and I think if I was met with something harder I could learn to do that too.  Moguls would help, i agree, but a lot of people don't have that chance, but if they are passionate about skiing they will progress like anyone else.
Jan 13 2009 10:28PM
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chicken
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And Flat 3's

Mogul skiing is really fucking cool
Jan 13 2009 10:39PM
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Smuffy
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word to that. the only catch is that you actually have to SKI! not just shred park, buts thats not to say shredding icy parks helps too.

ive been told i ski like a racer, park kid, aerialist and bump skier. without a doubt, every one of these aspects compliments one another.  to be good at any one, it helps to good at the others. a rounded skier will almost always be better, no matter whether theyre skiing park, big mountain moguls or racing.
Jan 13 2009 10:46PM
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grambo
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Racing obviously teaches you how to turn a lot better than bumps. Look at ex-racers like Seth, Shane, Nobis etc. compared to Tanner, their turns look a lot better. If you watch old Tanner footage when he started getting into big mountain he constantly looks backseat and sloppy, whereas Seth looks in total control all the time. Racing is better for big mountain.
Jan 14 2009 2:55AM
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HEAD
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http://www.zapiks.fr/tignes-airwaves-big-ski.html
Jan 14 2009 5:06AM
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Sanchez
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I disagree.  There's a reason why there are a zillion kids in race programs, and not nearly as many in freestyle.  It's because any kid who can stand up on skis can maneuver his way around slalom poles.  It takes a higher level of coordination, balance and athleticism to be able to ski moguls at a reasonably skilled level.  It goes without saying that high performance racers are phenomenal athletes, but all things equal, I say the bump skiers have the overall athletic edge.
Jan 14 2009 10:58AM
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Klick_2_klaim
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shudder.

I just got flashback shivvers from 2001. yikes.
Jan 14 2009 11:05AM
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Chronic_
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I tottaly agree. I never did bumps because they have never been an option at my mountain. I spent the last 10 years just recreational skiing doing laps with my friends as fast as i could over and over and when i started skiing park towards the end of last year it helped so much, because I was so confortable on my skis when i started i picked up really quickly.
Jan 14 2009 11:06AM
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Sanchez
Posts: 255 - Karma: 15

"Turn a lot better".  That's obviously subjective. 

I don't dispute that racers tend to dominate the high-speed big mountain runs like we see in AK, but put them in technical tree skiing with pillow drops, etc. and the bumps skiers will have the edge.

Jan 14 2009 11:17AM
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afton_steeze
Posts: 1765 - Karma: 92
yes.
Jan 14 2009 11:25AM
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summersover
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haha exactly right my man
i think the important point is that park skiers of today need to learn how to ski properly first (through racing, moguls or just regular lessons) to help them be better all around skiers, as long as you don't specialize too much in one aspect of skiing you will be a solid skier when faced with any situation if you practice enough in park, backcountry or just mad steep icy pitches
such a bitchfest on the racing vs. moguls vs. no training
Jan 14 2009 11:44AM
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wh@t
Posts: 6204 - Karma: 51
coming from racing as a tyke then going to bumps, i couldnt agree with you more. your ability to ski anything and learn shit almost instantly will astonish people. 13 years this season too! wooooo!
Jan 14 2009 12:55PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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I competed moguls for about 10 years and I think it has made me an excellent all-around skiier. I can rip super-carves on groomers, thrash mogul zipper lines, fly through tight trees in powder, float in big mountain pow, and i even slay the gates! (yes i can ski park and pipe too)
Jan 14 2009 1:03PM
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Sanchez
Posts: 255 - Karma: 15

Good list. That says a LOT. Here are some others:

Marc-Andre Belliveau

Tanner Rainville

Andy Woods

Jon Reedy

Rex Thomas

Justin Dorey

Evan Raps

Boyd Easley

Mathieu Paquette

Jonny Moseley (last but not least)

No doubt there are even more out there. It is no coincidence.

Jan 15 2009 4:23PM
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laurence^
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Kind of a harsh post. The problem with skiing today is that "park rats" are slowly turning aside all other aspects of skiing. I've simply heard too many times how much sicker park skiing is compared to backcountry, powder lines, moguls, glades and racing, to name a few. Consequently, these comments are secluding park skiing and park skiers from the rest of the skiing world and this rift is really stupid. For me, the biggest upside of being in touch with the freeskiing community is to be aware of all the different aspects of skiing. I consider it way more important to be a strong all round skier than to solely ski park AND hate on other aspects. There is obviously a flipside, being from the east coast, and having been out west, the east just does not compare. I can't really ski much besides the park at my local hill. I love doing a couple groomers with my dad because he's a good skier but besides that, I like being in the park. The difference is, I do not snub all other aspects of skiing. Consequently, many newschoolers have not had the oppurtonity to ski the mountains out west thus consider park skiing the ultimate level of skiing today.

btw that was my 1000th post. yay
Jan 15 2009 4:37PM
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SirFryanator
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perfectly stated. I used to have the same opinion as that guy you quoted, but then I realized that I was being a douche and an ignorant person overall. The EC just doesn't have the same kind of stuff.

Sessioning a kicker even out west is fun. Just hanging out with your friends, getting some shots, and going big with an easier takeoff/landing than a cliff is what's enjoyable for me. If you don't want to do it, go shred the line to the left or right, just don't go through our landing. We'll be following you as soon as we're done.
Jan 15 2009 4:44PM
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Chrris
Posts: 568 - Karma: 211

i can't agree with you.
i started in park but now im everywere.
i find it boaring to stay in the park all day i love to ride trees and pow and i love to go fast down the biggest groomers but again im not one of thoes people who think the only point is to show off i love to have fun more i can never stay in one place although powder is a whole nother story

Jan 15 2009 5:11PM
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angrygiant
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youre absolutly 100 percent right man i started skiin bumps when i was 7 and competed for a little wile in tehm and then became interested in park but this allowed me to become an actual skier not one of the poser freeriders who can only ski one run on the whole mountain....park ISNOT all that freeriding has to offer some of the greatest skiers in teh sport came from different aspects of skiing...look at candide for example he actually went back to racing.
Jan 15 2009 9:05PM
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Ar5king
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dumonts dirty on moguls
Jan 15 2009 9:06PM
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Drail
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alright, so I scanned the original post and didn't read anything else. I just wanna throw my two cents in.

I was 13 when "freeskiing" came around (by that I mean the New Canadian Air Force blow out year), 14 when i got into park. before than, i dabbled in racing and moguls... so, i learned how to ski and use an edge before getting into sliding rails and going straight at jumps.

now, i'm 24, living out in western canada, and you know what? the kids can still ski! sure, most people on this continent live on the east coast, but western north america will always pump out kids that can really rip everywhere on the mountain.

(RCR got rid of their parks. boycott RCR) hmm, i hope this little old comment doesn't get my post deleted...
Jan 15 2009 11:07PM
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BigMeech621
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yes it is.
Jan 16 2009 12:23AM
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charmander
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true.

im not gonna say i can slay moguls but i can make it through any bump run without crashing and without getting too sketchy. i am however probably above average when it comes to racing, not claiming just introducing myself for the rest of the post...

but from what ive seen a racing background is at least as useful as a mogul background. you dont just wake up one day and go mach 12 down steep ass race courses and be totally on edge and not skid your turns at all. same as if you decide you wanna pound bumps super smooth.


Jan 16 2009 12:29AM
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brogilvie
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Jyeah Nate. Shredding sooon!
Jan 16 2009 3:42AM
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skier123
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   Learning to ride in the park, doesn't give a rider much ability out of the park, but it does help your over all balance and skill,  you can't spin 3's if you aren't balanced on your skis, (corks aside). 

Though I've never competed, I think competing in race or moguls would give you a huge leg-up.  Just because of the simple reasons of ,,, getting out skiing more often (no matter the weather, cause you paid for the stupid course, so you have to ski in it.)  and skiing with a group of similar or better riders.  Having peers to feed ideas of off, and compete with, defly makes you better.  Not to mention the fitness level you achieve if you have a coach that makes you hike!

Jan 16 2009 9:03AM
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spliff.Life
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first off youre right, but racing teaches you to go fast on smooth snow, moguls are a challange, not that ski racing isnt, you just move around more in moguls
Jan 16 2009 9:26AM
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180FSscratch
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^^Agreed my friends that grew up in the park, were stugglin when we were hittin some OB stuff. Parks are great and offer a school in balence and balls but they cannot teach the skills needed for the whole mountain
Jan 16 2009 11:15AM
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Spendiggity
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I also think everyone has a different story, For me, i learned how to ski in the bumps with my older bro. then i learned how to do spins up to 540 in the park. Then in 6th grade i started racing. At first i raced on twins and skiied all old school with my feet together like my dad and bro did in the bumps. by highshool though i got good at racing and now i feel ultra well rounded. I think i would be a good skier without racing, but some form of competitive skiing definitely helped me nail the fundamentals.
I do think its ridiculous that people stay in the park all day though. I mean you go to ski the mountain and you pay to ski the mountain. but if it keeps the park rats from crowding up the good runs while still helping fund the mountain, then im not complaining

Jan 16 2009 2:48PM
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vzdz
Posts: 782 - Karma: 87
so true. it's easy to point out guys who've had a bump background, they're ability and comfort on skis are unprecedented.
Jan 16 2009 3:16PM
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the.hoffman
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Henitiuk still skis moguls. His team (BC team) and my team (Ontario Team) train together a lot, and stay at the same hotels during trips. He's damn good at moguls and freeride
Jan 16 2009 4:38PM
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Slinger1x1
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i agree, i was watching Ski P.I.G. and there were some great skiers on there, and some that were old freestylers. Not only could the freestylers throw down anything the other guys threw down, but when they wanted to knock them out, they would throw like daffy twister spreads and 360 screamin semans and what not, some crazy shit that no one ever thought about skiing park. its always fun to watch them

my good friends sisters boy friend is an amazing freestyler, he has throw like a 14 in practice, does like 10s in comps and all this, hes a sick skier
Jan 16 2009 4:53PM
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*DrewT*
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Jan 16 2009 5:08PM
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Brows.
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i agree if you cant ski a sick line of pow when its there then that suckss and they most likely do too
Jan 16 2009 5:39PM
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J.D.
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All I know is I've seen a lot of people come from the east coast to the west, fully able to ski bums (and having contended with that "east coast ice" you above were talking about all their lives), and they end up spending all their time skiing park because they don't know how to ski powder and get frustrated humiliating themselves.

There is no if you can ski this you can ski anything. You can either ski pow, or you can't. You can ski park, or you can't. You can ski GS or you can't.
Jan 16 2009 5:43PM
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skiP.E.I.
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I totally agree with you, even though I am pretty new to skiing (5 years) and I didn't learn in moguls. When I started college last year I moved from a tiny East Coast bump to a real East Coast Mountain (Marble Mountain) where most of the steeper runs aren't groomed, so they are always natural moguls and my skiing improved a HUGE amount from doing mogul runs every day and hitting the park at the bottom.

A bit of a claim, but today a gnarly old ski instructor guy in the instructor room (where I'm new) said he saw me skiing some pow last run and I looked really good. I took it as a huge compliment.
Jan 16 2009 5:49PM
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GGreene
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the best part about moguls and racing is that both of them teach you to love real skiing. learning to ski in the park is not real skiing it is just something that is fun but also people think it is "cool" to just ski park. when you are 30 you are not going to be able to ski the park everyday and that is a horrible time to learn to be a real skier.
Jan 16 2009 7:00PM
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