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Does Newschoolers.com help or harm skiing

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andrewhathaway
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No one yell, because I love it too. . . .

but. . . .

Does it help in the sense that there is group cohesion; we are all practically together?

or. . .

Is it detrimental in the sense that we are all together? Cohesion doesn't lend much room for totally different opinions and perspectives.



GO
Jul 2 2008 7:57PM
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levistewart
Posts: 3360 - Karma: 111
I DONT KNOW WHAT WE"RE YELLING ABOUT... but seriously id say it does both
Jul 2 2008 7:59PM
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SirFryanator
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I don't know if it helps or harms, it just is. It shapes the way park skiing goes at least a little bit, seeing as how we have a lot of influence in the industry. We're like a society, we follow trends, there are cliques, etc...whatever is the most favored usually gets followed here.
Jul 2 2008 8:00PM
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miroz
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I agree with the post above.  It doesn't help or harm skiing: at this point it is skiing.  Seriously, what goes on in skiing without being heard of on NS?  Newschoolers is to skiing what Google is to the internet (That might have been a bad analogy) but anyways, they go hand in hand
Jul 2 2008 8:03PM
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nkinsman10
Posts: 1088 - Karma: 45
i think that it pushes park skiing, and helps it progress faster. if NS werent here, i dont think that skiing would be as far as it is
Jul 2 2008 8:04PM
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mtbakerteacher
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Helps DYNAMICALLY!!
1) Any publicity is good for a consumers industry.
2) Because of NS there is pressure to constantly progress, and as annoying as hearing "progressive" is on here, it's true. NS causes progression of the sport, in all the areas.
3) NS has made skiing cool again. Without twintips and the ghetto skiing image, thousands of kids would not have begun skiing, or have thought of it beyond the neon-colored olympic twister-mogul sport. TGR isn't cool to young people, NS is.
Jul 2 2008 8:09PM
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.Capn.
Posts: 1454 - Karma: 152
Helps by far. There are so many small start up film, ski, and outerwear companys I wouldn't know existed without ns.
Jul 2 2008 8:12PM
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dr_phil
Posts: 1698 - Karma: 95
It's a double edged sword, this website is a very powerful tool, we should use it to expose the diversity of our sport instead of making this the place where things are judged hot or not.

Overall, I'd say NS is good for skiing, if it wasn't NS, another website would take the place.
Jul 2 2008 8:12PM
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sirskizalot
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that sounds pretty bang on to me.
i think we have influence on freeskiing overall.
Jul 2 2008 8:17PM
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TWoods
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it helps everyone see a lot about what's going on in the industry, all over the world, and in all sorts of disciplines...

there are people on here into the east coast scene, some into the big mountain thing, some that are euro or follow the euro scene, and so everyone on here is exposed to all of it.

i think that's good.
Jul 2 2008 8:27PM
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papasteeze
Posts: 12055 - Karma: 915
Hath C'mon, this seems like a noob question to me.  Just making conversation? cause it's a good thread to hear the opinions however I am just wondering what your thoughts/real reasons are for posting this thread.

NS is the most influential Skiing medium currently in existence with the young market. I can't name another larger medium. This site influences a core group who then take that style to the slopes for everyone else to see.  


Do you feel that this site hurts skiing?


Jul 2 2008 8:32PM
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Karcher
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i dont think you can say it does either. it just kind of shapes the way skiing is going a little i bet
Jul 2 2008 8:33PM
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hey_dude_its_me
Posts: 1403 - Karma: 32

I dont really care what anyone says about what tricks are cool or not, I'm def going to try some of your 'gay' rollerblade grinds this winter.

I don't have any friends that ski and literally everything I know about skiing I learned on NS, wait thats not true, once I asked this random dude on the mountain for advice on how to land switch, other than that its been all NS

As long as you brush off the judmental haters then NS can be a really useful tool to help you progress at least it has been for me

Jul 2 2008 8:36PM
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KarmaSkiier
Posts: 461 - Karma: 6

i think the only thing that seperates skiiers is the scary gangster skiiers haha you knwo the skiiers taht are sooo gangster they are well.... scary.

Jul 2 2008 8:40PM
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Malcolm
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huh?
Jul 2 2008 8:45PM
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ahmedthesailor
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sigged

Jul 2 2008 10:38PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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how could it hurt?
just because youre in a group doesnt mean you cant do your own thing.

plus... landshark.
Jul 2 2008 10:45PM
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Atypical
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It's better to get everybody who loves skiing in one place where they can discuss their views freely without worrying about identity. Friendships are made here that are carried onto the hill which is what unifies us as a community.

It terms of helping or harming, it helps to shape the way that people view skiing and bring together ideas of people who think alike. The only thing it can hurt is people who's ego's are too large to take criisism.

This site symbolizes every form of communitcation the freeskiing community has. Do magazines that are published by skiers hurt skiing? Do videos that are published by skiiers hurt skiing? How can a website built, run by, and filled with skiers hurt?

m2c
Jul 2 2008 11:30PM
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Steezasaurus
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Tad Walnutz wouldn;t exsist without NS Hath!!!
 NS has allowed FS skiing, especially in the park, to become much more than a sport. It's helped turn skiing into a tight knit culture.
Jul 3 2008 12:17AM
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fillup
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Such an influence its ridiculous. TEH INTERNETZZ
Jul 3 2008 12:24AM
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Ballinbynature
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I think there is  to much negative critisicsm and judging on whats right and wrong and hating on a certain style...but on the other hand there are so many opinions which help on how do do a certain trick or what gear to get, etc, it all depends on how you look at it
Jul 3 2008 12:25AM
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skimanskimanskim
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I think this thread is very well.
Jul 3 2008 12:26AM
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JamesR
Posts: 3396 - Karma: -12
newschoolers gives me hope, then i go out into the world and realize that i can talk to noone about skiing, so i crawl right back. - the life of a freeskier in the town of hurricane
Jul 3 2008 12:35AM
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andrewhathaway
Posts: 279 - Karma: 367
it has undoubtably had a dramatic influence on how far skiing has come, there is no question about that. And i love it for that. its a baller site no questions asked, but has it's sheer power and publicity stunted skiing's capability to evolve separately from itself. I feel as though we evolve as one, not leaving much room for divergent evolution of the sport.
Jul 3 2008 12:51AM
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scofield
Posts: 7973 - Karma: 2,467
the benefits far outweigh the harm

viva la NS
Jul 3 2008 1:01AM
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sicmainefilms
Posts: 167 - Karma: 10
Help.

Definitely help.

Newschoolers put a community face on an important and rising sub-category of an otherwise pretty personally independent sport way before anyone thought it would matter. You guys are a force, industry professional have taken notice of this group.

Harm?

I think we need to encourage some more mentors and leaders to step out of this group. There's huge potential to shape the future of skiing through freeskiing. A bunch of skiers complaining on the internet isn't action though..

Every once and a while a meaningful thread creeps out of the garbage. I'd like to see more of those threads. It would require some responsibility on the part of some lurking pros, professionals and up and coming ams to add some intelligence / wisdom to our slice of the net.



Lets move beyond..
Why? "Because its got electrolytes and thats what plants crave!"

We're all better than that and our intelligence is worth much, much more.

Jul 3 2008 7:04AM
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ShreddingthaGnar
Posts: 454 - Karma: 18
What the fuck.. Its so unbalanced its not worth discussing. We all know the answer.
Jul 3 2008 8:30AM
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Aaaron.
Posts: 11817 - Karma: 903
great idea.
lets start an argmuent about ns users disagreeing with each other!!
Jul 3 2008 8:33AM
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Mr.Bishop
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You know, NS is a pretty wacky phenominon in the world of sports. Most sports exist in a top-down media structure, where the traditional, popular media TELL you what is cool. You see videos and magazines, and all of your opionions are based on what happens there.

Few sports have something like NS, which gives the common person just as strong a voice as the top level media sources. NS and its community have become one of these media sources, but we are different because we are bound to the opinion of our members.

Love it or hate it, NS has given the general person a voice, and this has allowed our amateur scene to flourish. As someone mentioned, if it was up to traditional media, we probably wouldn't have heard of Tom Wallish, Ian Cosco, Matt Walker, and a myriad of other good guys. They just would have made it into the limelight YEARS after they became infamous on newschoolers.com.

Together all of us make up the new movement in skiing, and as someone said we just need more leaders like you Andrew who do come on here and share good opinions on the sport and where it should go.

Plus, the direction of the sport gets kept in the people's hands, not just a few rockstars.

Jul 3 2008 8:42AM
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SnowRidgeParks
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thank you for sharing your age-less wisdom with us Mr. Bishop, you nailed that one on the head... I know I love having such close ties to our industry and sport as a whole, and besides, NS keeps me occupied all day while I'm at work, so cheers to NS!
Jul 3 2008 9:04AM
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sicmainefilms
Posts: 167 - Karma: 10
^^ Exactly.

I'm always up to share / kick around new ideas like this with any NS member.

sicmainefilms = Austin Holt - www.aholtphoto.com
Jul 3 2008 9:20AM
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Atypical
Posts: 1339 - Karma: 45
I agree with this 100%

without NS, skiing would be just another ESPN/Xgames publicity sport. Sure you'd still have people who SKI for fun, but not the way that people ski now. Without NS you would have the pro's who would do movies and tv sponsered events, and kids who wish they were pro. NS also helps to promote ameture skiiers in a way that a regular media network wouldn't be able to do.

If there was no NS skiing would be shapped at a much slower pace, you'd see the same things over and over and over again. 

Because hell, who wants more to see another sport turn out to be the sterotype of "action sports" skateboarding and snowboarding have become.
Jul 3 2008 10:22AM
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eldabbelyou
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I think it helps a lot. Even a lot of other freeskiing websites use newschoolers.com as a reference in their updates / news.
What happens will very soon be talked about on newschoolers.

piiiis
Jul 3 2008 10:27AM
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mariob
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HELPS!!! it helps us get through long summers, it helps us advance as skiers, it helps us create a style, and  or show ar origniality. Newschoolers works as an outlet for skiers who need someone to talk to about a sport a passion who loves it as equally as them.


hope that wasnt to gay
Jul 3 2008 11:18AM
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BASS_PRO_SHOP
Posts: 1519 - Karma: 52
NS doesnt hurt skiing, n00bz hurt skiing.

i have had only positive from the creation of NS and so has skiing.
Jul 3 2008 12:25PM
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FellowJibber
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i think i know what youre saying. its true, a lot of the time, we agree with everyone else, even though that's not how we might feel
Jul 3 2008 1:05PM
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Luc.
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i feel like NS does both.

it kinda made skiing into a fashion show, (not hatin), but like doug said it opened it up ten fold to the amateurs who otherwise would have had a much harder time "making" it.

i think if anything it brings the industry closer together, allows us to express our own opinions, and kinda makes us all feel special in a sort of way. kind of like a brotherhood.

plus we get sweet entertainment from 1. epic threads 2. epic alias's/members 3. epic stories shared by all.

ROFL.
Jul 3 2008 1:06PM
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papasteeze
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I am saving that somewhere for something someday.  Excellent summary/synopsis.
Jul 3 2008 6:17PM
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ESAND
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pbnation.com

I haven't even been to that site in 2 years but when I was into it, it was pretty much the same way.


Its not really a wacky phenomena it is just the way the internet works. The internet makes everything more accessible. Skiing is one of the more noticeable examples because freeskiing grew up around the same time as the internet. But if you look at other more established sports (or other institutions) the role of the common person is increasing. Look at the cnn youtube debates for example.
Jul 3 2008 6:40PM
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MadSteezin
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I'm so with you Matt.
Jul 3 2008 7:18PM
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rossiskier93
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yea.. id say that its good for publicity of companies and tricks.. but i think that it hurts innovation a little bit because if there wasnt a ns then there would not be like "1" popular style and i think more innovation would take place.  Tricks would be able to grow with out a few harsh comments stopping someone from ever trying a certain trick again.
Jul 3 2008 7:38PM
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joly.sp
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The only thing it hurts is individuality (for some) I feel people try to hard to be ganster and all that jazz.
Jul 3 2008 7:46PM
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Scott~
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Well NS sure as hell helped my skiing, I was a gaper until I started getting active on NS and Ive met a ton of people since then as well~
Jul 3 2008 8:46PM
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doritos
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I can't think of a single way that NS harms skiing.
Jul 3 2008 8:55PM
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freestyler540
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Skiing is so broken throughout the world. You see other sports have major comps that regroup thousands of competitors in the world. In skiing, we dont have that luxury, so NS has been a benefit for regrouping skier around the world. If NS wanted to make a bigger impact on skiing, they have to start hosting more event and not only covering events. The reunions should be all over the world, hosted by a rep of NS
Jul 3 2008 9:01PM
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K2skipunk
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fo sho yo
Jul 3 2008 9:07PM
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mski
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wow what a fantastic question.

Id say its cool because it brings us all together and provides an outlet for skiing. I love seeing other people from NS on the hill, it really is a community to some of us.

I guess trends and fades run NS for the most part, but thats not a bad thing....is it?
Jul 3 2008 10:59PM
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pavel
Posts: 200 - Karma: 18
harms

nobody has the space to think about what they like in skiing and how they'd want things to be because it's all fed to you by the current trends and you feel obliged to like stuff that can look cool at a glance but is actually fucking whack

ns is a base for cultivating gay one dimensional opinions on everything. if someone posts a video for example the reaction will always be something along the lines of "i just watched that and could hardly keep myself from ejaculating all over my grandmother's face" (nice buddy, that's funny)

really things are so fucking weird in skiing right now it's like you've been having a teenage identity crisis for a few years and now you've just slipped right into midlife crisis

you've skipped all the in betweens that make you a wise old man and you're headed straight to the grave
Jul 4 2008 9:20AM
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doritos
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Your inability to appreciate immature, stupid jokes is not indicative of NS harming skiing. NS gives people something to aspire to, a model to work off of - it's the basic law of progression, it's easier to do something when you've seen someone else do it. I don't think the sport would be nearly as progressed without NS. And just go to the Ski Gabber to see that there is HARDLY one opinion. People hate, and argue and debate about every possible facet of the sport. NS has hardly conformed the freeskiing population... yeah, there are trends, but that doesn't mean the whole community blindly follows them.

Even for the videos thing... So a lot of people give positive feedback? That's a good thing, having skiers respect what others are doing can only help the sport. That being said, it's hardly unanimous. You always have a few that go completely the other way, and a decent percentage that say it was merely "OK". Again - I can't think of a single way that NS harms skiing.


Jul 4 2008 9:30AM
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yellav
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cons:
i believe newschoolers obliterates creativity, uniqueness, and other traits of individuality. while some would see this as a pro, its a giant con considering everyone is always doing the same thing because they see it in edits and dressing the same way becuase someone in an internet forum told you so.

pros:
newschoolers is usually a lawlfest and i like looking at pretty pictures and edits of skiing!
Jul 4 2008 11:43AM
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